"Why should I let you into heaven?"

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Because if you loved me you wouldn’t let me burn alive in hell forever.
 
Mark_Robert said:
Because if you loved me you wouldn’t let me burn alive in hell forever.
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to which the response would be something along the lines of ‘and if you loved Me, you wouldn’t misuse My gift of free will and separate yourself from Me by unrepented mortal sin, and so condemn yourself to burning alive in hell forever’
 
LilyM said:
to which the response would be something along the lines of ‘and if you loved Me, you wouldn’t misuse My gift of free will and separate yourself from Me by unrepented mortal sin, and so condemn yourself to burning alive in hell forever’
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I hate to say “amen” to that one but I just feel compelled… :eek:
 
LilyM said:
to which the response would be something along the lines of ‘and if you loved Me, you wouldn’t misuse My gift of free will and separate yourself from Me by unrepented mortal sin, and so condemn yourself to burning alive in hell forever’
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Shouldn’t you and lifeisawesome be praying for this person, whom may be one of your own…meaning their profile says Catholic…either way if you perceive the person as lost, then we are to pray for the lost…right?
 
NonCatholic said:
Shouldn’t you and lifeisawesome be praying for this person, whom may be one of your own…meaning their profile says Catholic…either way if you perceive the person as lost, then we are to pray for the lost…right?
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I don’t understand your question…
 
NonCatholic said:
Shouldn’t you and lifeisawesome be praying for this person, whom may be one of your own…meaning their profile says Catholic…either way if you perceive the person as lost, then we are to pray for the lost…right?
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What makes you think we’re not? However, we’re not just to pray for the lost, but also guide them to the right path by instructing them in the faith.

Which is exactly what you seem to be trying to do too - or are you not praying for us AND trying to instruct us in faith (by telling us different ways in which we’re wrong and you’re right) as well?
 
LilyM said:
What makes you think we’re not? **AAhhh…your post.**However, we’re not just to pray for the lost, but also guide them to the right path by instructing them in the faith. So start instructing.

Which is exactly what you seem to be trying to do too - or are you not praying for us AND trying to instruct us in faith (by telling us different ways in which we’re wrong and you’re …(no the Bible)) right) as well?
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You seem so bitter, is there anything particular you need prayer on?
 
NonCatholic said:
You seem so bitter, is there anything particular you need prayer on?
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We all need prayer, but make sure you pray twice as hard for yourself. I’ve never been bitter enough to tell anyone in so many words that they were going to die in their sins, as you did to me - and THAT certainly didn’t come from the Bible.

Don’t waste any time or effort responding, I’m not going to read any more of your posts.

God bless.
 
Folks - the purpose of this post was to have the kind of discussion that we were enjoying at the beginning. Lets not allow distractions to divert the incredibly positive discussion. The discussion was on track - no need to allow it to get diverted just because someone wants to disrupt it. Just ignore it.
 
LilyM said:
We all need prayer, but make sure you pray twice as hard for yourself. I’ve never been bitter enough **look at your post #42 to Mark Robert quote: “you wouldn’t misuse My gift of free will and separate yourself from Me by unrepented mortal sin, and so condemn yourself to burning alive in hell forever’” ** to tell anyone in so many words that they were going to die in their sins, as you did to me - and THAT certainly didn’t come from the Bible.

Don’t waste any time or effort responding, I’m not going to read any more of your posts.

God bless.
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I never said you were going to die in your sins. I said quote “least you should die in your sins”. Jesus alone can condemn, we are to warn out of love and pray. As the saying goes…it’s not too late till it’s over.
 
Lifeisawesome said:
Folks - the purpose of this post was to have the kind of discussion that we were enjoying at the beginning. Lets not allow distractions to divert the incredibly positive discussion. The discussion was on track - no need to allow it to get diverted just because someone wants to disrupt it nice dig :hammering: . Just ignore it.
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I do agree with you…it is somewhat surprising you would condone the comments of LilyM. A little distracting and disappointing.
 
Lifeisawesome said:
Sheila - I may have misunderstood your post my my question is not a lead in. I too am a convert - I was a devout protestant for 15 years or so. I was in Anglican seminary before I converted in 2005. My goal here is hear how other Catholics answer this question. However, I am not asking for a hypothetical answer, but a personal one - i.e. What you really believe you should say if you were to be asked.
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The point of my answer is that it reminds me of my Protestant days. I was taught that the question is a good one to use to trip up Roman Catholics, who (I was taught) are working their way into heaven. My upbringing has had such a profound impact on my life, and many of my friends and family object to my conversion. Because so many of them still like to think of this as a trick question, I refuse to use the question or answer it. Am I confident that I will go to Heaven when I die? As confident as I can be that God will continue to grant me the graces I need to trust in our Lord Jesus Christ. You see, I don’t believe in once saved always saved, I know my own tendencies to stray, and therefore I realize my need to run the race set before me so as to win. Only God’s grace on this side of death can impact what happens on the other side of death. I don’t want to rain on your parade. You’re curious about what Catholics think. That’s okay. This Catholic finds the question problematic. :banghead:
 
Lifeisawesome said:
Folks - the purpose of this post was to have the kind of discussion that we were enjoying at the beginning. Lets not allow distractions to divert the incredibly positive discussion. The discussion was on track - no need to allow it to get diverted just because someone wants to disrupt it. Just ignore it.
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Sometimes when you ask a question, you get answers that are unsettling. That’s part of the arena of public speech.
 
sheila0405 said:
Sometimes when you ask a question, you get answers that are unsettling. That’s part of the arena of public speech.
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Absolutely true. My nudge was regarding staying on topic. I actually enjoy the disagreements when they are on topic. I have participated in this and other forums and find that very positive, powerful (disagreements and all) discussions can be derailed by someone who has an axe to grind in a different direction rather than a desire to participate in the discussion at hand. I find it odd… If I want to start a different discussion - I just start a different thread. Make sense?🤷
 
Lifeisawesome said:
Folks - the purpose of this post was to have the kind of discussion that we were enjoying at the beginning. Lets not allow distractions to divert the incredibly positive discussion. The discussion was on track - no need to allow it to get diverted just because someone wants to disrupt it. Just ignore it.
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To the question “Why should I let you into heaven?”
My reply would consist of:
  1. Because you gave Your Only Begotten Son to pay the ransom for my sins. I didn’t deserve that but you gave it to me.
  2. Because I tried. And everytime I failed, You gave me the grace to try again. Everytime I lost you,** You** found **me **once again. You’ve never let me down before & I don’t believe that You will this time.
And this is to the one who started this thread: We are saved, first & foremost, because Christ died for us. However, I don’t believe that we are saved by faith alone or by a “accepting Christ as your Savior” alone. I believe that it takes BOTH faith & trying as best one can to follow the Laws of God & asking for forgiveness when one fails. And then…trying AGAIN!!
 
sheila0405 said:
The point of my answer is that it reminds me of my Protestant days. I was taught that the question is a good one to use to trip up Roman Catholics, who (I was taught) are working their way into heaven. My upbringing has had such a profound impact on my life, and many of my friends and family object to my conversion. Because so many of them still like to think of this as a trick question, I refuse to use the question or answer it. Am I confident that I will go to Heaven when I die? As confident as I can be that God will continue to grant me the graces I need to trust in our Lord Jesus Christ. You see, I don’t believe in once saved always saved, I know my own tendencies to stray, and therefore I realize my need to run the race set before me so as to win. Only God’s grace on this side of death can impact what happens on the other side of death. I don’t want to rain on your parade. You’re curious about what Catholics think. That’s okay. This Catholic finds the question problematic. :banghead:
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WOW!! I didn’t know that non-Catholics were **taught **to ask
Catholics “trick” questions. I’d say that they’d better be tending to their own salvation, just as we are. This is sad. 🙂
 
Just a thought.

I don’t think God will ask the individual soul at death “Why should I let you into heaven?” God knows we do not have any valid claim to an eternity of knowing, loving and serving Him. It is more likely that He will meet us at the gate with open arms, exclaiming, “My Child! Welcome!”

Only if we reject Him will we be denied access to Heaven, because we have decided we do not want to be there with Him. It will be a case of someone saying “There isn’t room in Heaven for the two of us, and I prefer to rule in Hell rather than serve in Heaven.” And yes, there are plenty of people who will make that choice. And when they depart from God and come to the other gate, THEY are the ones who will be asked “Why should I let you into Hell?” Only, they won’t call it Hell. It will have other names, like “the 'hood” or “high society” or “the Party,” or “Vegas, Baby!” And the person who has rejected God will get their very first taste of Hell when they discover that they aren’t in charge of anything, and that the high price of pleasure on their own terms will be paid for eternity.
 
Why should you let me in to heaven dear Lord? Perhaps because I am so pathetic and less than nothing without you. My life reflects that. Perhaps because I love you in your awesome vastness and you love me in my silly limitations. My clumsy attempts at trying to follow Christ reflect that.
I pray I don’t roast in purgatory too long; but thy will be done.
(or maybe I could leave the earth immediately after receiving a plenary indulgence!?🙂 )
btw, Catholics don’t “earn” anything. You can strive til you’re blue in the face but it doesn’t matter unless you have God’s grace.😉
 
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