Why should Latin be used at mass?

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bpbasilphx said:
you sound (at least to a couple people here) that you think you and your byzantine tradition are superior. And that hurts some of our ego’s…
**what i speak against–and look closely–is the statment that the ef is “the mass of the ages” or “the mass of all time.”

it’s not.

It can’t be, beause it’s not as old as the eastern liturgies.**
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there you go again!!!
 
If you google Father Donald Kloster and go to where he is on you tube explaining the TLM…he tells why the Mass should be in Latin. He does a four part series of talks on the TLM and you will enjoy him SO much! He is a great speaker and explains so many things. He tells how every time we dip our fingers into Holy water and sign ourselves…we are refreshing our baptism. I am you this guy is great…wish I lived near his church. The TLM is rapidly growing in my area. The young people are especially
drawn to the reverence and the quiet…as opposed to being preached at.
Try to google Father Donald Kloster and you will enjoy his short talks…so very much!
 
Why does Bp. Basil keep trying to argue against Latin in Mass?

It’s not as if we try to argue against the use of Greek or Russian or Aramaic in Orthodox Divine Liturgy.
 
NFrancis said:
I used to like the idea of using Latin at the Mass, but now I’m not sure.
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       I like the idea of being able to go to Mass anywhere and know what is being said, but most people don't travel much and it would be too burdensome for everyone to learn Latin to know what is being said at mass.  

       Historically, first Greek was used and then it changed to Latin so that more people could understand what was being said because Latin was used as a universal language in the cities.  (I think this is right).  Most people today do not know Latin and I think just as it was change from Greek to Latin, it is a good idea to have Mass said in the vernacular so that people can understand.

      If there was a universal language for Mass I think a spoken language like Portuguese would be better.  Maybe Italian since that is where Rome is.  However than it wouldn't be much of a Latin rite anymore.  However Latin really isn't used in Mass much now anyways so the term Latin isn't very descriptive of the rite anymore.  

      I do like the EF a lot because it seems a lot more reverent.  I kind of wish the EF could be said in the Vernacular or else the OF was more reverent.  

      I have memorized prayers in Latin and think it sounds a lot better than in English and sometimes I think I can focus better but, I guess I just don't know what I think.
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I am all for Latin in the Latin Rite. I believe all Catholics schools grades K-12 should mandate that Latin should be taught in each grade. Also All Catholic Colleges should mandate a course in Latin. All Semanaries must teach Latin and all Semanarians and Decanate classes should learn both EF and OF forms of the Mass. I also believe that in the OF all prayers Concencration should be in Latin. Churches should offer classes in teaching latin to their parishners. So they could learn or relearn latin. This will help to show that the Church is one with Rome.

Another point, I wonder if all who think that “English Only” should be the norm in Mass, if they would agree that “English Only” should be the National language in America? I wonder if they would agre with that?
 
Malkin71 said:
All Semanaries must teach Latin and all Semanarians and Decanate classes should learn both EF and OF forms of the Mass. I also believe that in the OF all prayers Concencration should be in Latin. Churches should offer classes in teaching latin to their parishners. So they could learn or relearn latin. This will help to show that the Church is one with Rome.
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Hmmm… Latim é um pouco parecido com português; então por favor só não queiram que o inglês seja usado como língua oficial da Igreja. (Just kidding 😃 )
 
Apart from our religion, Greek and Latin are ‘root’ languages in Western culture. They’re used a lot in the sciences and the legal sytem, for example. Useful languages to have.
 
Why does Bp. Basil keep trying to argue against Latin in Mass?
**Please tell me where I did that.

I explicity said that I am saying nothing against either the EF or Latin as a liturgical language.**
 
bpbasilphx said:
Why does Bp. Basil keep trying to argue against Latin in Mass?
**Please tell me where I did that.

I explicity said that I am saying nothing against either the EF or Latin as a liturgical language.**
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Just because you said it, it doesn’t mean that it completely pardons you from what you said or at least how your sounding…

But like I said before it’s the traditionalist ego… which i’ll admit i’m one… Traditionalist and yes i mean Roman Catholic Traditionalist… don’t split hairs… 😛
 
sancte_joseph said:
Just because you said it, it doesn’t mean that it completely pardons you from what you said or at least how your sounding…

But like I said before it’s the traditionalist ego… which i’ll admit i’m one… Traditionalist and yes i mean Roman Catholic Traditionalist… don’t split hairs… 😛
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Are you saying I’m not pardoned for not saying something I didn’t say to start with? 🤷
 
bpbasilphx said:
Are you saying I’m not pardoned for not saying something I didn’t say to start with? 🤷
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No… I’m saying how you sound… but i’m not asking you to stop by no means… because the reason people sometimes are on the offense is because of their own traditionalist ego… (inculding me) but you give a little reminder that there are our eastern brothers…
 
NFrancis said:
I used to like the idea of using Latin at the Mass, but now I’m not sure.
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       I like the idea of being able to go to Mass anywhere and know what is being said, but most people don't travel much and it would be too burdensome for everyone to learn Latin to know what is being said at mass.  

       Historically, first Greek was used and then it changed to Latin so that more people could understand what was being said because Latin was used as a universal language in the cities.  (I think this is right).  Most people today do not know Latin and I think just as it was change from Greek to Latin, it is a good idea to have Mass said in the vernacular so that people can understand.

      If there was a universal language for Mass I think a spoken language like Portuguese would be better.  Maybe Italian since that is where Rome is.  However than it wouldn't be much of a Latin rite anymore.  However Latin really isn't used in Mass much now anyways so the term Latin isn't very descriptive of the rite anymore.  

      I do like the EF a lot because it seems a lot more reverent.  I kind of wish the EF could be said in the Vernacular or else the OF was more reverent.  

      I have memorized prayers in Latin and think it sounds a lot better than in English and sometimes I think I can focus better but, I guess I just don't know what I think.
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***Latin continues to be the common language of the Roman Catholic Church. It should continue because their are a multitude of “commom languages” in the Eorld Wide Catholic Church, and a single language facilitates communication.

Additionally Latin is a reminder of who we are, where we have been and unites us going forward.

Love and prayers***
 
I think we need to be careful when using language like “should” when we speak of things where the Church offers options.

While one might like the use of Latin in the Mass and one might promote it, it is not correct to state that it “should” be used as the Church allows for the option of the vernacular to be used in the Mass.

This goes for many other things where the Church offers options.

By using language like “should” it appear that one is making themselves an authority on the issue or that they really do think they know better than the Church.

There is much to be said for obedience.

Though, again, it is alright to state a preference and to say why you prefer it, it is just not right to raise your preference as the best or only way when the Church allows for options.
 
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