Why should the scribes have realized that Jesus is the Messiah?

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I realize that there were prophecies regarding the Messiah but anyone can say he is the Messiah especially if he is well versed in the prophecies.

Yes, of course, Jesus performed miracles and that should have been enough, I guess.
 
I’m sure there were many scribes who did recognize Jesus as the Messiah. Read the Gospel of Matthew. He was a scribe. & that is exactly the point he is trying to get across to his intended audience.

There is a nice series on EWTN, a bible study on the Gospel of Matthew & the bible scholar points out all the ways Matthew the scribe tries to get that point across.
 
This is true.
Actually, first century Palestine was full of self proclaimed messiahs. In fact, many of them had large followings. Two are named in Acts. Many more in Josephus’ Antiquities of the Jews. I’m not sure how to answer that, wonder workers were also prevalent in this era, so it wouldn’t have been that much to Jews at the time to experience claims of this. Most thought it was deceit such as Simon Magus in Acts ch 9 I believe.
I suppose it wasn’t really the Jews fault.
Historically for me the number one thing that stands out from Jesus and all of these other messiah claimants is the aftermath. After these other claimants were killed and the followers realized he wasn’t who they thought, most just went home to their former lives. Actually the end of John makes it seem thats exactly what the disciples were doing before Christ appeared on the shore. Then they all really went to their deaths proclaiming the Gospel( besides John the Evangelist, though he was tried to be poisoned ny the Roman’s but failed and exiled him to Patmos).
I don’t think Christs , and this is just my opinion, I could be wrong, but I’m sure Christ knew many Jews if not most would reject him. He knew the messiah figure they expected and it was a David like figure. From a Jewish point of view Christ didn’t fulfill all of the messianic prophecies. We believe he will at the second coming. After the resurrection and ascension and the descent of the Spirit is when Christ really expected people to grasp who he was. While on earth he was less concerned about his popularity or acceptance as to the good news or the gospel he proclaimed. I am sure he would, as God, known the Jews wouldn’t have understood this in his earthly life, at least many. What Jesus did, and his atonement was not something anyone expected. This is another historical basis of the reality, is that no common messiah in the time or ever would have been considered a success by being crucified. The tomb was empty. He did rise and ascend. If he hadn’t he would be just another one of the names in Josephus’ writings.
 
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Read the Gospel of Matthew. He was a scribe.
Does it say that in Matthew’s Gospel? It says he was a tax collector, but I can’t see anything else about his personal background, before he became one of the Twelve.

Why would it have been obvious to the scribes that Jesus was the Messiah? As @Prodigal1984 points out, he was not fulfilling all the OT prophecies about the Messiah. For a start, the Messiah, the Lord’s anointed, is invariably referred to the OT (as far as I can see) as a man, not in any way a divine being. Sometimes, significantly, the word is found in the plural, as in 1 Chron 16:22, where the Lord warns Israel’s enemies to do no harm to “my anointed ones (my Messiahs, my Christs) and my prophets.” In the Vulgate, this verse reads, “Nolite tangere christos meos, et in prophetis meis nolite malignari.”

Second, in the Herodian period the expected Messiah was thought of as a new David, a political leader who would “redeem” Israel from its subjection to foreign powers, whether Babylon, Egypt, or Rome. The New Testament commentaries that I have seen make this clear when they deal with passages such as Matt 22:41-46 and Luke 20:41-44. They point out that Jesus is here rejecting the idea of a political Messiah, asserting, instead, that he will be a more exalted figure: instead of sitting on the throne of David, he will share the throne of God (Psalm 110). This was not the message that people in Roman-occupied Judea were hoping to hear.
 
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Why should the scribes have realized that Jesus is the Messiah?
Luke 7:20 When the men came to him, they said, “John the Baptist has sent us to you to ask, ‘Are you the one who is to come, or should we look for another?’” 21 At that time he cured many of their diseases, sufferings, and evil spirits; he also granted sight to many who were blind. 22 And he said to them in reply, “Go and tell John what you have seen and heard: the blind regain their sight, the lame walk, lepers are cleansed, the deaf hear, the dead are raised, the poor have the good news proclaimed to them. 23 And blessed is the one who takes no offense at me.”[a]

The scribes should have known because even some in the uneducated masses could see it.

John 7:30 So they tried to arrest him, but no one laid a hand upon him, because his hour had not yet come. 31 But many of the crowd began to believe in him, and said, “When the Messiah comes, will he perform more signs than this man has done?”
 
The scribes should have known because even some in the uneducated masses could see it.
The scribes were fully familiar with the Scriptures, the people at large not so much. That would have made it harder for the scribes to accept Jesus as the Messiah. He was too unlike the scriptural descriptions of the Messiah.
 
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May be his miracles were sometimes selective if not so almost all sufferers should have been healed within 3 years of preaching.
 
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The scribes should have known because even some in the uneducated masses could see it.
The scribes were fully familiar with the Scriptures, the people at large not so much. That would have made it harder for the scribes to accept Jesus as the Messiah. He was too unlike the scriptural descriptions of the Messiah.
Yeah. I feel badly for the anti-Christian Jews of that period. I may have mentioned this to you before. There’s another prophecy that is rarely mentioned. The prophecy of the Dreamer of dreams who describes another god which no one has heard of. The prophecy ends with the command that the Jews should kill this Dreamer.

When you think about it, at least, when I think about it, I can understand why the Jews condemned Jesus. They had never heard of God becoming man. Nor of the Trinity. Therefore, He fit the description of the Dreamer:

Deut 13
Penalties for Enticing to Idolatry. 1 Every word that I command you, you shall be careful to observe, neither adding to it nor subtracting from it.

2 If there arises in your midst a prophet or a dreamer[a] who promises you a sign or wonder, 3 saying, “Let us go after other gods,” whom you have not known, “and let us serve them,” and the sign or wonder foretold to you comes to pass, 4 do not listen to the words of that prophet or that dreamer; for the Lord, your God, is testing you to know whether you really love the Lord, your God, with all your heart and soul. 5 The Lord, your God, shall you follow, and him shall you fear; his commandments shall you observe, and to his voice shall you listen; him you shall serve, and to him you shall hold fast. 6 But that prophet or that dreamer shall be put to death, … 9 do not yield or listen to any such person; show no pity or compassion and do not shield such a one, 10 but kill that person. Your hand shall be the first raised to put such a one to death; the hand of all the people shall follow. 11 You shall stone that person to death, for seeking to lead you astray from the Lord, your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of slavery. 12 And all Israel shall hear of it and fear, and never again do such evil as this in your midst.
 
Paul, being a Pharisee, was among the strictest of Jews concerning the laws and scripture. He gives clear indication in Romans 10 that all of Israel should have seen that Jesus fulfilled the prophecy of Moses and Isaiah.

Paul knew the Pharisees were aware of these prophecies. The Jews rejected their own Messiah and the Gentiles (those who are not a nation) embraced the message of faith.

All the Jews were under the first covenant which required a lot of works. The things Jesus did were punishable by death or at minimum made him unclean, according to the old covenant. The new message of salvation through faith was foreign to the Jews.

The Scribes, Pharisees, Priest, and the community were all aware of the miracles Jesus performed. They chose to stay with the system of works rather than trusting in Jesus, their messiah. Again, the prophecy was fulfilled that Jesus referenced the stone which the builders refused has become the head stone. Some Jews believed but unfortunately the majority and the leaders did not.
 
Many Jews during the time of Christ were Zealots. They were looking for a military messiah that would lead them to battle against the Romans, and Jesus didn’t fit this description. He was far more concerned with spiritual warfare than physical.
 
gain, the prophecy was fulfilled that Jesus referenced the stone which the builders refused has become the head stone. Some Jews believed but unfortunately the majority and the leaders did not.
Yes. And then came the destruction of the Temple and Jerusalem in 70 AD. I find it ironic that Orthodox Jews even to this day readily admit that the destruction of the First Temple was punishment by God because of idolatry but are at a loss to explain the destruction of the Second Temple.
 
It’s the way of things and part of God’s wisdom and judgement according to Paul. The good news is there will be a time when Israel will be grafted back in through faith. My personal opinion is this will take place after the abomination of desolation spoken of by both Daniel and Jesus.

Israel went almost 2000 years without being a nation. The 3rd temple will happen eventually. We don’t know how soon but it’s of no consequence to believers in Christ.
 
He gives clear indication in Romans 10 that all of Israel should have seen that Jesus fulfilled the prophecy of Moses and Isaiah.
Interestong since he did not learn that Jesus was the Messiah from Scripture, but personal revelation.
 
I realize that there were prophecies regarding the Messiah but anyone can say he is the Messiah especially if he is well versed in the prophecies.

Yes, of course, Jesus performed miracles and that should have been enough, I guess.
The NT states that scribes were from the party of the Pharisees, and the scribes studied the OT Scriptures. Since the Pharisees had the complete OT canon, they should have been able to recognize Jesus as the Messiah based on the number of specific prophecies were fulfilled by Him.
 
Since the Pharisees had the complete OT canon,
Maybe they did, maybe they didn’t. The full canon of the Hebrew Bible in its present form seems to have been settled at a later date.
they should have been able to recognize Jesus as the Messiah based on the number of specific prophecies were fulfilled by Him.
Jesus was well aware that he didn’t match the description of the Messiah found in the Scriptures. Please see my post #4 on this thread.
 
Maybe they did, maybe they didn’t. The full canon of the Hebrew Bible in its present form seems to have been settled at a later date.
In terms of the current 3-fold canon labeled “the Law” & “the Prophets” & “the Writings,” although this description was “settled” later in the second century A.D., the OT canon of the Pharisees which includes the same books was “settled” centuries earlier prior to the time of Christ.
Jesus was well aware that he didn’t match the description of the Messiah found in the Scriptures. Please see my post #4 on this thread.
Jesus said no such thing. In fact, in John Ch.4 when He is talking to the Samaritan woman, He proclaimed Himself to be the Messiah, which she would have recognized from the Samaritan Pentateuch, which was a modified version of the Jewish Torah. Plus, whenever He rebuked the Pharisees & the scribes, He repeatedly referred back to the OT Scriptures in the Hebrew Bible. Also, the fact that the Jewish leaders were expecting a “messiah” who was more of a political/military leader who they hoped would overthrow their Roman oppressors was based on their extra-biblical “traditions,” but not from the Scriptures. The OT is explicit that the Messiah would be God, and that He would “free” Israel from their sins by dying & rising from the dead. So, it wasn’t that Jesus didn’t feel He was the Messiah of the Scriptures, but that that He wasn’t the false “messiah” the Jewish leaders had envisioned in their own minds.
 
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Also, the fact that the Jewish leaders were expecting a “messiah” who was more of a political/military leader who they hoped would overthrow their Roman oppressors was based on their extra-biblical “traditions,” but not from the Scriptures. The OT is explicit that the Messiah would be God, and that He would “free” Israel from their sins by dying & rising from the dead.
I don’t think so. Here, for instance, is Psalm 132 (131), in which the word Mashiach (“anointed,” Messiah) occurs twice, in vv. 10 and 17. The whole psalm clearly refers to a king in the literal sense, who will also be the high priest. The Lord promises to restore Israel as an independent kingdom with its ruling dynasty to be descended from David.


Here is another psalm in which the word also occurs twice, in vv. 39 and 52:


There are six other occurrences of the word in the book of Psalms: 2:2, 18:50, 20:6, 28:8, 84:10 (or 9 in some Bibles) , and 105:15, where the word is in the plural, “My anointed ones” or “My messiahs.”
 
Maybe they did, maybe they didn’t. The full canon of the Hebrew Bible in its present form seems to have been settled at a later date.
The Dead Sea scrolls seem to confirm the OT canon that we have today (minus Esther) with the addition of the Book of Jubilees and the Book of Enoch.
 
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Since the Pharisees had the complete OT canon,
Maybe they did, maybe they didn’t. The full canon of the Hebrew Bible in its present form seems to have been settled at a later date.
they should have been able to recognize Jesus as the Messiah based on the number of specific prophecies were fulfilled by Him.
Jesus was well aware that he didn’t match the description of the Messiah found in the Scriptures. Please see my post #4 on this thread.
Why does Jesus refer to Himself as the Son of Man?
 
Jesus was well aware that he didn’t match the description of the Messiah found in the Scriptures. Please see my post #4 on this thread.
I think Jesus matched the description of the Messiah perfectly. Simeon saw it. The three wise men saw it. Magdalene saw it. Peter saw it. Nicodemus saw it. Pilate saw it. Thousands of people who heard him speak saw it.

If you read the Old Testament as men, you would have seen a conquering king as the world does.

But if you read it through the Love of God you can read the same texts & know.
 
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