WHY should we assume/suspect that the Christian doctrine is true?

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Well as most have pointed out here,
The historical proof is pretty big. Let’s say you have a little bit of trouble believing in the ressurection of Christ.
Thats ok, not everybody comes to the truth by being a historian. You can see the things Christ left behind like : 1. Fufilling of most Old testament prophecies
2. He left a visible Church, that for 2000 years hasn’t in the slightest fallen apart. (People have of course gotten mad at certain stuff and cut off themselves, but the Church didnt cause that split , the individuals did)
I think the philosophy of Thomas Aquinas also helps. From his philosophy on God’s attributes in the case that he is right, and in my view, his philosophy is pretty sound, all of theese attributes somehow conveniently fit the Christian doctorine, aspecially the Catholic one as the Catholic one has a bonus of historicity as stated above.
Then there are miracles. Usually people will say : “Well every religion has miracles to some extent” I would say yes. But once again, what I see in christianity is a religion that has had frequent revalation, in the past public and now more private revalation. So miracles attest to that aswell.
Then I would see what is different in the Christian from all the other religions. There are a lot of prophets in religions, but Jesus was either the greatest lier in history, or the one true God. Because while other prophets said they had revalation from God, or divine insight, Jesus claims to be God and proves it with his ressurection.
In the end I think I would say this all adds up to my main point : Extreme consistency.
The Bible has withstood the test of time, as has the Church (pulling away infallible teachings that have yet to be proven contrary etc.) , the fact how so far the moral teachings (while heavily generalized) of the 10 commandmants nail the morality we somehow feel the ought to have.
Also sometimes people ask why does prayer not seem to work. Its pretty much a big supposition in todays time to think that God is some type of sugar daddy. He isn’t. Prayer isn’t meant to give off neither a feeling nor a result. It most likely will, but if it doesn’t do that it doesn’t disprove anything. Maybe makes it less beliveable, but I don’t tend to judge the belivability of a statement based from one singular person.
If everything we know about the Bible is truly forged, it doesn’t explain away the sudden rise in Christianity and no way of disproving it at that time, or how the approved gospel writers (not the ones that were acting to be ones) menaged to get a lot of later to be learnt philosophical truths right.
I don’t know, this is just my opinion, if I am getting something wrong please notify me.
 
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Religion allows for miracles.
AFAIK, science does not allow the suspension of the laws of nature.
When all that is possible is ruled out, the only thing left is the impossible.

Let’s look at one aspect of the tilma of our Lady of Guadalupe. It happened in the 1500’s. Yet, the tint can not be duplicated by the greatest artists or scientists TODAY.

Now, we can believe the skeptics who say that it is a fake. But since no one can fake it, their criticism falls on its face.

Or we can believe the eyewitness testimonies which were given at the time the miracle occurred.

So, you can live in denial or accept the truth. Your choice.
 
do you already have some faith? a bit like doubting Thomas?
 
In today’s world, it’s a good thing to be skeptical and always question your beliefs. What I find most dangerous are those who take their bible, Koran or holy book literally and award incompetence, discrimination and hatred with blind loyalty, no questions asked. And since the Bible is not meant to be taken literally all the time, it’s very smart to assume/suspect that it may not ALL be true. This goes for every religion and even Atheism/Agnosticism.
 
dear Lord please gift Marcgal faith in abundance, to glorify you.

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Let’s look at one aspect of the tilma of our Lady of Guadalupe. It happened in the 1500’s. Yet, the tint can not be duplicated by the greatest artists or scientists TODAY.
Yes it is beautiful, But art restoration expert José Sol Rosales said it was painted by an artist who used the materials and methods of the sixteenth century.
 
Almost every act in nature can be seen to bear the cross. A plant grows up, overcoming its’ cross of gravity. A raindrop falls into the sea and is malformed by the friction of the wind, its’ cross. Everywhere there is friction somewhere… The only religion to give us this natural sign of struggle and difficulties is the Catholic one. Buddha comes on elephants and with fanfare. Jesus comes to us bearing the sign of even a natural struggle, made supernatural. The Cross is unbeatable.
 
Yes it is beautiful, But art restoration expert José Sol Rosales said it was painted by an artist who used the materials and methods of the sixteenth century.
There is not one artist from the sixteenth century, nor any other yet, who can reproduce even one aspect of the image of Guadalupe.

“[How] it is possible to explain this image and its consistency in time without colors, on a fabric that has not been treated?” Tonsmann asked. “[How] is it possible that, despite the fact there is no paint, the colors maintain their luminosity and brilliance?”

Tonsmann, a Peruvian engineer, added, “Callahan and Smith showed how the image changes in color slightly according to the angle of viewing, a phenomenon that is known by the word iridescence, a technique that cannot be reproduced with human hands.”


  1. No artist has yet learned how to produce iridescence.
  2. No artist has yet learned how to produce an image in cloth without tint or color.
  3. The image was, for lack of better words, “burned in”.
So, as I said, you can go on denying the truth, if you want.

And by the way, the same is true of the image in the rock in Colombia (Our Lady of Las Lajas) and the image in the Shroud of Turin. No human being can reproduce them today. You should compare the childish attempt that an atheist made to reproduce the image of the Shroud of Turin. It is truly pathetic in comparison.
 
My friend what your seeking is TRUTH:

Truth can be ONLY singular per defined issue [completely logical & irrefutable]

The problem today is led by thousands of Protestant =to PROTEST, self identified “Christian Faiths”; each developed by person to suit THEIR level of understanding; & each one beding TRUTH to accommodate their OWN opinions.

The net result is a lot of folks who at least implicitly hold that there can “be your truth and my truth”… COMPLETELY illogical and ridiculous.

The foundation for your .search is FIRST grasping that TRUTH can only be singular per defined issue which is what you seem to suspect.

There can be and IS:

Just One True God

Even GOD can hold to ONLy one set of TRUE faith beliefs

History & the Bible clearly teach that this God choose just One Chosen People Exo 6:9; which Jesus duplicated and expanded and PERFECTED with “My Church” Mt 16:18

While NOT everything logically & historically can be or was intended to be in the bible
John 20: 30-31 “[30] Many other signs also did Jesus in the sight of his disciples, which are not written in this book.[31] But these are written, that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God: and that believing, you may have life in his name”

John 21:24-25 " [24] This is that disciple who giveth testimony of these things, and hath written these things; and we know that his testimony is true. [25] But there are also many other things which Jesus did; which, if they were written every one, the world itself, I think, would not be able to contain the books that should be written".

So my friend, IF you are able to grasp this teaching; then we CAN help you.

KEEP IN MIND THAT SPACE IS VERY RESTRICTED HERE ON CAF SO ASL ONE QUESTION AT A TIME, AND KEEP ASKING NAND PRAYING

God Bless you,
Patrick
 
So, as I said, you can go on denying the truth, if you want.
The truth is that an examination and technical analysis of the object was made by the art restorer José Antonio Flores Gómez as discussed in a 2002 interview with the Mexican journal Proceso, Also discussed in that journal was a report by José Sol Rosales, director of Patrimonio Artístico Mueble of the National Institute of Fine Arts (INBA) in México City. Anyone can read the findings there:
Vera, Rodrigo: “Un restaurador de la guadalupana expone detalles técnicos que desmitifican a la imagen”, Revista Proceso N° 1343, July 27, 2002, pp. 17–18
Vera, Rodrigo: “el análisis que ocultó el vaticano”, Revista Proceso N° 1333, May 18, 2002; and “manos humanas pintaron la guadalupana”, Revista Proceso N° 1332, May 11, 2002,
 
History & the Bible clearly teach that this God choose just One Chosen People
Some Asians that I spoke with find that puzzling that God would leave out the Chinese, Japanese, etc., and not choose them. Also asian Indians ask why God did not choose them, since they had the oldest religious text the Rig Veda?
 
Same question can be asked about Aztecs, Incas, and earlier civilizations being unearthed in South America as jungle vegetation is cleared and as satellite photography reveals prior large city-sized man-made architectural features.
 
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The truth is that an examination and technical analysis of the object was made by the art restorer José Antonio Flores Gómez as discussed in a 2002 interview with the Mexican journal Proceso, Also discussed in that journal was a report by José Sol Rosales, …
Ask him to explain how maguey fiber has remained in perfect condition after 500 years?

Ask him to reproduce or provide a sample or an art piece from the same or from any period which uses the same method.

You can go on denying and rejecting the truth. But the truth remains true whether you believe it or not.
 
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History & the Bible clearly teach that this God choose just One Chosen People
Some Asians that I spoke with find that puzzling that God would leave out the Chinese, Japanese, etc., and not choose them. Also asian Indians ask why God did not choose them, since they had the oldest religious text the Rig Veda?
Because they had angered God. That is why God chose one group of people to both give mankind an example to follow and to intercede for mankind.
 
They have no reason to feel that way, first because God is GOD =PERFECT and choose exactly the “people” He wanted for reason He alone fully understands. [I NOTICED He didn’t choose the Irish either:grinning:

More importantly ALL are WELCOME into His Catholic Church for the past 2;000 years.

God Bless you,
Patrick
 
My Friend, THAT can’t possibly be correct because Yahweh spent generations calling, chiding, directing and forming the Jews who were surrounded by PAGANS, who too failed GOD.

God Bless you,
Patrick
 
Christianity is not merely a set of doctrines. Christianity is a relationship with Jesus Christ and his people. Faith is a theological gift of God to which we are called to respond. Faith is given, received, given back.
If you want to know if Christianity is real, you must risk all your doubts in front of Christ. (I’m borrowing from Peter Kreeft here).
Take a risk, drop your objections and go to a tabernacle, spend some time in front of the Blessed Sacrament. Ask Christ to reveal himself to you with a sincere and humble, open heart.
If Christianity is real, Christ will return your initiative.
 
My Friend, THAT can’t possibly be correct because Yahweh spent generations calling, chiding, directing and forming the Jews who were surrounded by PAGANS, who too failed GOD.
God Bless you,
Patrick

You too.

The fact that most of the Jews failed God has nothing to do with the fact that the Pagans had previously failed God, as well.

Note that not all the Jews falled God. They did give birth to the Messiah after all.

NOr, in my opinion, did all the Pagans, since God seemed to favor some of them. See Isaiah 45, Cyrus
 
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