Our actions is the result of the whole things we experienced in our lives. We still have options in a situation. We are rational being always look for the best option. What is the use of free will? To choose the worst option? We need a reason to pick up the worst options then we are again back into the rationality.Bahman, if our actions are determined, then by definition, we have no choice in the matter. If our “reason” falters, it is equivalent to a computer malfunctioning or being incorrectly-programmed. If free will is not real, we are certainly not responsible for our actions, no matter how virtuous or heinous they might seem. I don’t punish my computer when it crashes. It is not a free agent. Even if I did use punishment on a non-free agent, it would only be part of a non-free system- I would also not be responsible for the punishment, since I was never free to not will it in the first place.
That is not true. Rationality brings responsibility. Quite oppositely you can do whatever you wish if you were only a free agent.To me, this is the only “positive” about a lack of free will. I could do whatever the heck I wanted, with no moral qualms. But, the cost is so enormous that it would be a rather empty “positive” indeed.
I don’t understand what you are arguing. Do you believe we have free will or not?Our actions is the result of the whole things we experienced in our lives. We still have options in a situation. We are rational being always look for the best option. What is the use of free will? To choose the worst option? We need a reason to pick up the worst options then we are again back into the rationality.
Only if that “Rationality” includes being a free, non-determined agent.That is not true. Rationality brings responsibility.
I am simply saying that our decisions are rational not free. I don’t believe if we have free will.I don’t understand what you are arguing. Do you believe we have free will or not?
How you could accommodate freedom in our actions when we are rational?Only if that “Rationality” includes being a free, non-determined agent.
I see.I am simply saying that our decisions are rational not free. I don’t believe if we have free will.
We can act rationally for irrational goals. The freedom seems to be in the act of choosing rationality or not and also in choosing among equally rational choices.How you could accommodate freedom in our actions when we are rational?
That is senseless.We can act rationally for irrational goals.
How could we pick up a irrational option unless we do have a reason for it? That bring us back into rational beings and not free.The freedom seems to be in the act of choosing rationality or not and also in choosing among equally rational choices.
True. But why do many humans do senseless things? It is due the real (not illusionary) capacity to ignore the knowledge we have and choose to the do the wrong thing, simply because we want to.That is senseless.
Rational being are free, by definition. Not free – not rational.How could we pick up a irrational option unless we do have a reason for it? That bring us back into rational beings and not free.
We make irrational choices either because of wrong education or temptation of Satan. We can correct wrong education and we can stand against Satan by constantly judging our actions which make us stronger and stronger. We however have to accept the fact that Satan has mercy on us otherwise he can screw us because he is supernatural. So at the end of the day everything depends on how we choose our spiritual journeys.True. But why do many humans do senseless things? It is due the real (not illusionary) capacity to ignore the knowledge we have and choose to the do the wrong thing, simply because we want to.
Can you tell me what is the use of free will if we can make good decision by following our rationality? Is free will a deficiency in our nature?Rational being are free, by definition. Not free – not rational.
Free will is what makes us rational. Without free will you are not a moral agent and will only act on instinct. They are many examples of humans acting against instinct. Evidence of free will is extensive.We make irrational choices either because of wrong education or temptation of Satan. We can correct wrong education and we can stand against Satan by constantly judging our actions which make us stronger and stronger. We however have to accept the fact that Satan has mercy on us otherwise he can screw us because he is supernatural. So at the end of the day everything depends on how we choose our spiritual journeys.
Can you tell me what is the use of free will if we can make good decision by following our rationality?
No. It is a shining star of our attributes. It is one of the attributes that are of God’s image.Is free will a deficiency in our nature?
That is not correct. Free will if it exist just allow us to make irrational choice.Free will is what makes us rational.
That is not correct either. Morality has its roots into Rationality.Without free will you are not a moral agent and will only act on instinct.
Noting can happen without Reason in an Rational agent. The Reason simply allows us to act.They are many examples of humans acting against instinct. Evidence of free will is extensive.
We as rational being can always perform good action and have perfect world. The free will allows us to choose the worst. What is the point for it?No. It is a shining star of our attributes. It is one of the attributes that are of God’s image.
Why should I believe any of this post? It looks like large amount of irrationality (illogic) namely question begging, including defining terms so that the assumed conclusion is reached…That is not correct. Free will if it exist just allow us to make irrational choice.
That is not correct either. Morality has its roots into Rationality.
Noting can happen without Reason in an Rational agent. The Reason simply allows us to act.
We as rational being can always perform good action and have perfect world. The free will allows us to choose the worst. What is the point for it?
I don’t think so. Where do you have any problem so we can discuss it?Why should I believe any of this post? It looks like large amount of irrationality (illogic) namely question begging, including defining terms so that the assumed conclusion is reached…
Assuming no free will, then punishment would still exist but in an altered form. Punishment serves as a deterrent to what society deems bad behavior.They wouldn’t punish criminal if they realize the fact that there is no free will since they realize that they don’t have the right to do so.
The main question is where we get that right from knowing that free will is an illusion.Assuming no free will, then punishment would still exist but in an altered form. Punishment serves as a deterrent to what society deems bad behavior.
Where the intention to steal a car comes from?Say a person steals a car. That person makes a rational evaluation or risk/reward. In their mind (whether accurate or not), they felt the reward outweighs the risk. Punishment should reinforce proper behavior in that 1) The person will reevaluate stealing in the future and 2) Someone else may not steal a car, seeing how the first person was punished.
Rehabilitation is the only right choice.One possible change with the idea free-will is an illusion assumption, is that anger as a response tends to disappear when we take away free will. When we remove anger of injustice we become more compassionate. We see that the thief stole based on environment and his neurological makeup. Instead of responding by inflicting more suffering, we would seek to rehabilitate. An eye for an eye leads to everyone being blind. Rehabilitation has the potential for a better society. Of course not everyone can be rehabilitated, so we would need to separate some from society permanently.
Many people believe right or wrong to be derived from the natural law and ultimately leading to well-being, perfection, or happiness. Different societies will have different opinions on how to achieve it, but each society strives for this.The main question is where we get that right from knowing that free will is an illusion.
The intention is a drive created from environment and neurological makeup.Where the intention to steal a car comes from?
Sometimes separation is needed because rehabilitation may not be possible given our limited understanding of the world.Rehabilitation is the only right choice.
They have been pointed out.I don’t think so. Where do you have any problem so we can discuss it?
I cannot help it if you don’t tell me what are your problems.They have been pointed out.
Free will just help you to decide in a situation. Love is simply an emotion rooted in our nature to make sure that life keeps going. Love does not have any relation to moral theology.Free will allows us to understand the deep moral theology of love.
Love is not an emotion. Love is selflessly willing the good of the other. Emotions tend to develop when people have relationships, but you can love with or without emotions. I can attest to that both from reason and personal experience.Love is simply an emotion rooted in our nature to make sure that life keeps going. Love does not have any relation to moral theology.
Love is not an emotion. Love is selflessly willing the good of the other. Emotions tend to develop when people have relationships, but you can love with or without emotions. I can attest to that both from reason and personal experience.
Bahman- If you want a coherent discussion it would be best if you more clearly define your argument. I’m not sure I know what it is anymore.
Free will, in my view, is a difficult topic. Yes, I think there could be rational beings without free will. But such beings would be entirely determined. They could feel and think, but they would have absolutely no responsibility for what they do. Some people think we human beings are this way. But that completely undermines human autonomy, culpability or merit. It also undermines Christianity.