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The book was compiled by the Church, founded by Jesus it did not fall from the sky.
Ceremonial OT laws no longer apply since Christ entered the world.
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Ceremonial OT laws no longer apply since Christ entered the world.
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Love is not homosexual “sex”. There is no authentic right to commit acts that are contrary to nature.
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soulspeak23
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Since when is love defined solely by sex?
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cecelia
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That we are even discussing the possbility of homosexuals marrying tells us that we’re very close to the end. But it’s not surprising because sexuality since the advent of the birth control pill has been taken out of the context of marriage and is now seen by many as recreational, underscored and fueled by feelings. It’s the feeling that counts the most as to whom a person wants to have sex with; therefore those with same sex attraction feel that their feelings should be honored, and even legalized. The contraceptive culture, with its severing of the procrational from the unitative in the marriage act has opened the door to the same sex debate.
But let’s look at another aspect of this problem. Homosexual marriage (I reluctantly employ that oxymoron) garners empathy because it is viewed by many as just another aspect of the human notion of the independent, fluid self. This person is free to be what he wants to be, free to find himself, free to create himself in anyway, shape, or fashion. There is no essence to this new man; even gender is not fixed, a person can simply be what he feels called to be, man or woman.And in this age of increasingly radical individualism, it’s seen as courageous, even heroic to “come out” and face the scorn of the public. This person gains sympathy, is seen as a victim, and is perceived as one who need protection of and recognition by the law.
We Catholics must stem the tide of empathy for same sex marriages, but it will take us as a Church being intrepid enough to go into the public square to redefine the parameters which the homosexual agenda has so carefully erected. We must redefine the terms, and become proactive in the debate. In other words, we must not be politically correct. Sexuality is a public act in that it brings forth children which effect the society. What one does in one’s bedroom does have an effect on the culture. Sexuality cannot be private because its consequences are not private. Homosexuality goes against natural law. Homosexuality is one of the sins that cry out to the Heavens. The homosexual act is gravely disordered. without marriage, the glue that holds society together is gone. Without marriage, men and women’s roles are redesigned in opposition to God’s will because the essence of man and woman is corrupted. Allowing for those with same sex attractions to marry blurs the lines of kinsship, and the terms that we use to define those kinships. If we stop and think about it, within several generations men would no longer be needed as fathers, and their place in society would be sidelined. Children would grow up with a distorted sense of marriage and family, and as a matter of fact, we wouldn’t even need marriage. Homosexual marriage is the big weapon in Satan’s arsonal, (because we cannot ever for a minute forget the source of this assault). If he can push this through then he has completely severed us from God because there’ll be nothing else that is held sacred. And if we think that that is hyperbole,.let’s look back on our culture and how it operated in its sexual mores and how it operates now.
But let’s look at another aspect of this problem. Homosexual marriage (I reluctantly employ that oxymoron) garners empathy because it is viewed by many as just another aspect of the human notion of the independent, fluid self. This person is free to be what he wants to be, free to find himself, free to create himself in anyway, shape, or fashion. There is no essence to this new man; even gender is not fixed, a person can simply be what he feels called to be, man or woman.And in this age of increasingly radical individualism, it’s seen as courageous, even heroic to “come out” and face the scorn of the public. This person gains sympathy, is seen as a victim, and is perceived as one who need protection of and recognition by the law.
We Catholics must stem the tide of empathy for same sex marriages, but it will take us as a Church being intrepid enough to go into the public square to redefine the parameters which the homosexual agenda has so carefully erected. We must redefine the terms, and become proactive in the debate. In other words, we must not be politically correct. Sexuality is a public act in that it brings forth children which effect the society. What one does in one’s bedroom does have an effect on the culture. Sexuality cannot be private because its consequences are not private. Homosexuality goes against natural law. Homosexuality is one of the sins that cry out to the Heavens. The homosexual act is gravely disordered. without marriage, the glue that holds society together is gone. Without marriage, men and women’s roles are redesigned in opposition to God’s will because the essence of man and woman is corrupted. Allowing for those with same sex attractions to marry blurs the lines of kinsship, and the terms that we use to define those kinships. If we stop and think about it, within several generations men would no longer be needed as fathers, and their place in society would be sidelined. Children would grow up with a distorted sense of marriage and family, and as a matter of fact, we wouldn’t even need marriage. Homosexual marriage is the big weapon in Satan’s arsonal, (because we cannot ever for a minute forget the source of this assault). If he can push this through then he has completely severed us from God because there’ll be nothing else that is held sacred. And if we think that that is hyperbole,.let’s look back on our culture and how it operated in its sexual mores and how it operates now.
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Since when is loved defined by two same sex people pretending to be married?
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soulspeak23
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Thats a nice dodge when you don’t have a real answer. Just answer a question with another one.
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So, who’s marriage here would be threatened if gay civil marriage/union was made legal? Why would it be threatened? Are you afraid your spouse would abandon you in favor of a homosexual marriage?
I know that my nice, traditional heterosexual marriage to my lovely, heterosexual wife would not be threatened. When I am thinking about the list of things that I as a human and a Catholic should get upset about - things like poverty, injustice, destruction of the planet - I do not find myself putting gay civil marriage on that list. Why don’t you guys funnel your outrage to something Jesus would care about, like the plight of the homeless, or the situation in Darfur, etc? Why get upset about such a trivial issue?
I know that my nice, traditional heterosexual marriage to my lovely, heterosexual wife would not be threatened. When I am thinking about the list of things that I as a human and a Catholic should get upset about - things like poverty, injustice, destruction of the planet - I do not find myself putting gay civil marriage on that list. Why don’t you guys funnel your outrage to something Jesus would care about, like the plight of the homeless, or the situation in Darfur, etc? Why get upset about such a trivial issue?
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soulspeak23
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Thank you, Norbert, for being a decent human being.
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No dodge, just a reasonable question. Authentic love is hoping eternal salvation for another. Lust and other disordered desires cloud our reason and we may be decieved into thinking deviant sex and disordered desires are love. They are not.
How can two, or more, folks engaging in serious sin be hoping eternal salvation for their “loved one” when their behavior says otherwise?
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soulspeak23
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Can I ask what prompted the “or more” statement? It seems that at the first mention of homosexual marriage, people always say that the next logical step is polygamy or bestiality. Where did that mentality come from?
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Why not allow incest, bestiality?
Christ’s Church is speaking and She is saying we must oppose SS “marriage” and adoption. We can do more than one thing at a time.
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Where did we get the mentality that sodomy equals marriage? It is not a stretch to conceive of such things when we bend the natural law to our disordered desires.
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soulspeak23
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I think you may be a little bit obsessed with sex since you seem to think that that is all there is to a relationship. Do you actually think that homosexuals wake up in the morning, have sex all day long, go to sleep and wake up to do it all over again? Really? Then you clearly have never in your life met a gay person. Well, I guess how would you, if theyre all having sex all day? Homosexuals are fighting for the right to visit the person they love if they should happen to go into the hospital. The right to be able to insure thier partners health. The right to be able to leave this world in peace, knowing that thier partner is able to retain the house that they bought and paid for together. The rights that you take for granted everyday because you already have them. These so-called “special rights” are no different from what you have as your everyday rights. So what makes you so special?
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If it is not about sex, then why bother with “marriage”? If these folks are living as brother and sister, why is it necessary to request a state sponsored union?
The legal devices these folks desire can be attained by private contracts now.
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soulspeak23
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So I hope you classify your own heterosexual marriage as solely about sex. And, its necessary to request a state sponsored union so that the joint investments made in each other and their families can be protected just like yours are.
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The devices they desire can be attained withou faux marriage.
Why do you minimize sex? Marriage is about procreation and raising children. It is about one man and one women and the raising of children.
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soulspeak23
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Why should gay people have to pay thousands of dollars in contract and lawyers fees to obtain the same rights you get by obtaining a $35 marriage license from your local government office. And for a few more rights that are denied to homosexuals, here is a government issued list of the rights automatically granted to heterosexual couples.
gao.gov/archive/1997/og97016.pdf
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Around the world marriage had many forms, for example rocks and trees were married in Japan, Romans could marry horses, in medieval Europe marriage didnt exist for commoners (they had blessings, which were also open to same sex couples) and real marriage was used for political allegiences and the transfer of land, native americans had the institutionalised homosexual marriages of the Bardiche (sp?). Actually, i seem to recall that the Greeks, Egyptians, Cretians, Spartans, Thebians, Romans, Chinese, Japanese, Balis, Australians, Indians,New Mexico tribes, and so on all had same sex marriages. I will search out a reference.
Oh, and ofcourse, in egypt you Pharos married their sisters…hardly good for the gene pool.
Marriage is not just about procreation. its about love and commitment and supporting someone you love in a public and formal arrangement on top of a private and loving one.
Perhaps marriage is just about reproduction for you…does this mean you demand that mixed gender couple have their marriages forcfully annulled if they dont breed?
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Well you got that much right. Today’s children have not been well taught, and neither have their parents. They are completely in the dark about how far civilization has come since the early days of Judaism, as ignorant of faith as they are of history, literature and geography. So the young, who can’t place the American Civil War in the proper century (it was before they were born!), don’t think gay marriage is a big deal either. Surprise.
We are now in the process of sliding back into the primordial muck, because you all have forgotten who we are. And for all the bored little nihilists, pseudo-intellectuals and pornographers the end can’t come soon enough. If it all gets too scary they can just turn the channel can’t they??
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Those “rights” are granted to married folks for a reason. The state wants to encouarge stable families.
There is no right to a faux marriage.
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