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Well, then I invite you to start a thread on one of these. I’ve told you before that these were good ideas. So instead of posting a question like this, be pro-active. I’m sure that many of us would respond.
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Soulspeak23:
The Laws of Kosher were rescinded for Christians by the Council of Jerusalem shortly after the death and Resurrection of Jesus Christ. and, Stoning was never prescribed for the violation of Kosher.
The Moral laws of the Torah were never rescinded but were restated by the Apostles St. Paul and St. James and by the Didache among other works, and have been restated ever since by the Catholic Church for the last 1900 years since then.
BTW, The Torah didn’t just fall from the sky. The Orthodox Rabbi who brought me back to the Church would claim that Moses wrote it some 3400 years ago before the Nation of Israel passed over into the Promised Land. Even the most LIBERAL Theologians place the final edition of the Torah as being editied over 2400 years ago.
The primary message of the Gospel is that Jesus Christ not only was crucified, but that He also physically rose from the dead on the third, and that, because Jesus rose from the dead, He has the power to deliver us from our sins and to give us New Life.
Do you believe that Jesus was crucified for your sins and that rose from the dead to give you New Life in Him?
If you don’t, you’re actually pretty sad, because you haven’t experienced the transformative power of the Gospel of Jesus Christ, and you have NO idea why all those Romans willingly walked down to the Colliseum Floor to join the Christians who were being fed to the lions…
We don’t accept sinful behavior, because we know the Gospel has the power to TRANSFORM sinners (like me) into SAINTS (like St. Justin Martyr, St. Thomas More, St. John Fisher and all of those other SAINTS you’ve read about here).
Blessed are they who act to protect the innocent. Michael
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Lisa4Catholics
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LisaN doesn’t hate anyone,she in no uncertain terms states the TRUTH.
LisaN does love her neighbor,DO YOU?If you do why are you defending the propagation of SINFUL acts that God call an abomination?:nope: Heterosexual didn’t mess up the Sanctity of marriage the attitude live and let live certainly did.The acceptance of sinful BEHAVIOR on the premise of “tolerance”.
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Traditional Ang:
Do you have any idea what year it is? Are you seriously proposing that walking into the jaws of a lion is some sort of great feat of ultimate faith? And do you actually think that the world is the same as it was 3400 years ago, when the book was written? Times change, and rules change. If nothing ever changed, then what need do we have for our governmnet’s legislature? There are more people in this country than just Christians and I really do not think that you realize that. You want our government to force Christianity down the throats of everyone in the country because you think that its the right way. Now, I’m not saying that you shouldn’t be entitled to your opinion, because you absolutely are. But not everyone agrees with you. The world really is not going to end if gays are allowed to get married. Someone had made a comment earlier about the Netherlands and how gay marriage is legal there. Has the Netherlands imploded? No. They live thier lives just fine. It just seems extremely arrogant of you to think that your point of view is the only one.
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“America, it is said, is suffering from intolerance. It is not. It is suffering from tolerance of right and wrong, truth and error, virtue and evil, Christ and chaos. Our country is not nearly so much overrun with the bigoted as it is overrun with the broadminded.”LisaN doesn’t hate anyone,she in no uncertain terms states the TRUTH.
~Bishop Fulton Sheen, “A Plea for Intolerance.”
“Love, in the true sense, is not always a matter of giving way, being soft, and just acting nice. In that sense, a sugar-coated Jesus or a God who agrees to everything and is never anything but nice and friendly is no more than a caricature of real love. Because God loves us, because he wants us to grow into truth, he must necessarily make demands on us and must also correct us.”
–Benedict XVI, “God and the World.”
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Mom_of_one
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LisaN is not hateful at all. Just because she makes sense and tells the truth does not make her hateful. But that is the usual rhetoric-you tell the truth and you are labeled hateful or judgemental or, gasp-a bigot! This just sounds like more drama and exaggeration.
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Lisa4Catholics
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:clapping: :dancing: :clapping:
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Traditional_Ang
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YinYangMom, well said and explained.
In Christ, Michael
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Genesis315
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God doesn’t change. He exists outside time, and change is a function of time.
God is not a matter of opinion. He is what He is no matter what anyone opines. He’s ontological Truth.
No, they don’t live their lives just fine. The Netherlands is a mess. Many souls are being led away there.
There are many points of view. People can believe whatever they want–it doesn’t change the facts. You can think there is no God or that homosexuality jives with the law written on all our hearts, but those thoughts are inconsistent with the the Truth. Look, we all must conform ourselves to God. We must change, not Him. I think it is quite arrogant of you to say God should change to your personal sensibilities.
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If heterosexuals didn’t mess up the sanctity of marriage, then how do you account for the almost 50% divorce rate? Marriage is taken for granted to such an extent that people don’t even have a qualm about being married three or four times. And clearly, they are ALL heterosexuals because gays are not allowed to marry.LisaN doesn’t hate anyone,she in no uncertain terms states the TRUTH.
I also have taken the time to visit your earlier posted website that you are constantly refferring to. And I must say that you must have searched high and low for the most extremist website out there. Do you honestly think that ALL homosexuals believe in the things posted on that site? Thats an awfully grave accusation to make. Those people are extremist to the left as Christians being members of the KKK are to the right. It’s sad that you fear change so much. i hope you have lots of mirrors in your house so that you always see just what you want to see.
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I said nothing about God changing for me. he can do whatever he would like. I’m concerned with a former drug addict running the country and trying to stuff his beliefs down my throat. Creating a second class citizenry is what the people who founded this country were running away from.
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You’re kidding, right? I don’t recall ever reading that she said that all homosexuals believe this. That is your spin. It is nice that you are so judgemental of peoples hearts and motives!
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The thing is, He will and that is not good news for those who are preaching the acceptability of homosexuality (same for those who preach the acceptibility of any sin). People who lead others away from God are in very, very grave danger. Anything that may lead people to live their lives within God’s plan is a good thing.
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Lisa4Catholics
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No I do not believe all of them believe that,that is transparent on the culture of death and it does include SODOMYhttp://bestsmileys.com/religous/3.gifThe reason heterosexual marriage has flipped out is because people call evil good and good evilhttp://bestsmileys.com/angry2/11.gifWe tolerate the worst of sins and excuse them!This kind of “tolerance” is diabolic http://bestsmileys.com/halloween1/7.gifAnd people can lose their souls,so speak the truth and do dot help them along the path of destruction.http://bestsmileys.com/crying/14.gif
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Soulspeak23:
Thank you for you ill-mannered post.
I asked you a question. I assume you were too busy to give me an answer - Do you believe that Jesus Christ died and rose from the dead to save you from your sins and to give you new life?
It’s the basic statement of the Gospel. If you believe in it and trust in it, the rest of the Scripture and the Tradition of the Church that everybody is talking about here begins to make since.
If you don’t, it will never make since, because it will always seem like it’s too demanding.
Soulspeak, this isn’t a SECULAR forum. It’s a CATHOLIC one. As such, Sources of Catholic Inspiration need to be accepted as such and not just tossed out because you don’t like them or because you find them too old or too hard to follow.
Among it’s sources of teaching, the Catholic Church accepts the Bible as the written Word of God and, All scripture is inspired by God and is useful for teaching, for refutation, for correction, and for training in righteousness…
2 Tim 3:16. NAB
The Church also Tradition which includes the Canons of the various Ecumenical Councils, the Papal Bulls which have been written ex-Cathedra, and that which has been taught to all Catholics in all places at all times (St. Augustine’s definition).
Walking into a lion’s mouth may not sound like much of an act of faith, until you consider that the people doing this weren’t Christians, but were audience members so moved by the Chrisitans’ faith that they went down to the arena floor, jumping over a protective barrier, TO DIE with the Christians.
This was observed, not only by Christian apologists, but by Roman writers of the 2nd and 3rd Centuries.
We recently celebrated the Feast Day of the First Martyrs of Rome - They were the original Roman Candles. You might want to read what they willingly endured for their faith. I’m sure some of my forummates can help you with reading material.
I know what year it is, but I also know what a Revealed Religion and the Nature of God are and at what an incredible cost I was bought. You might want to read just one of the passion stories from the Gospel and realize that Jesus endured that incredicble suffering to save both of us from eternal damnation.
I know there are plenty of opinions, and I know that I don’t always get everything right, but I do know what I’m saying is based on. Do you know what you’re saying is based on and why?
BTW, Marraige as an institution predate the Torah and Judaism by at least 8,000 years. With the exception of changing from polygamy to monogamy, almost all societies on this earth have maintained the same form - Man and woman - for the last 11,000+ years. So those defending Traditional Marraige are hardly shoving anything down your throat.
BTW, the Grundegen Hospital Protocols are the latest working out of a long line of Pro-Euthansia legislations etc. in Holland. Are you really OK with the idea that a teenager can say, “I want to die,” and the next day, he’s dead??
I have friends who’ve been to Amsderdam who would beg to differ with you.
Blessed are they who act to save the innocent. Michael
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Lisa4Catholics
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Aren’t you the person who called LisaN down:tsktsk: Traditional Ang is also going to tell the TRUTH.If you can not answer him don’t.BTW our Founding Fathers where Christians,oh by the way since you bring the Netherlands up,thankyou for making my point about the link
Euthanasia and assisted suicide is quite popular there.The link and the point on it has been made,thankyou very much.
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Who are being turned into second class citizens?
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Brothers and Sisters - we have a situation:
Please check this thread, and, if you haven’t written Senator’s Biden or Boxer, please write them both and let them know that FILIBUSTERING Judicial Nominees is NOT a 200 year old Senate tradition, but is something they started when then took exception to the results of the last few elections!
Boxer: Filibuster to block anti-abortion Supreme Court candidate
forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=63735
Guys, this is absolutely vital! We can’t allow the DEMONCATS to make ANY PRO-LIFE “Originist” to look like an extremist because he or she doesn’t bow down to the alter of Roe v. Wade or to the god “The Living Document”! So, Please act now, if you haven’t already! If the DEMONCATS win, a LOT more babies die!
Blessed are they who act to save God’s Little Ones, Michael
Please check this thread, and, if you haven’t written Senator’s Biden or Boxer, please write them both and let them know that FILIBUSTERING Judicial Nominees is NOT a 200 year old Senate tradition, but is something they started when then took exception to the results of the last few elections!
Boxer: Filibuster to block anti-abortion Supreme Court candidate
forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=63735
Guys, this is absolutely vital! We can’t allow the DEMONCATS to make ANY PRO-LIFE “Originist” to look like an extremist because he or she doesn’t bow down to the alter of Roe v. Wade or to the god “The Living Document”! So, Please act now, if you haven’t already! If the DEMONCATS win, a LOT more babies die!
Blessed are they who act to save God’s Little Ones, Michael
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Pope calls gay marriage part of 'ideology of evil’
“It is legitimate and necessary to ask oneself if this is not perhaps part of a new ideology of evil, perhaps more insidious and hidden, which attempts to pit human rights against the family and against man,”
John Paul II
“It is legitimate and necessary to ask oneself if this is not perhaps part of a new ideology of evil, perhaps more insidious and hidden, which attempts to pit human rights against the family and against man,”
John Paul II
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