Why so many Old Testament laws and why not follow them anymore?

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Just curious, why do you think God gave so many laws in the Old Testament? Some of them were a bit extreme like no beard trimming and no polyester.

And why don’t we follow these laws anymore? God is unchanging, so why would these laws just suddenly not matter anymore? Jesus said it doesn’t matter what we eat, only what we speak. But again, God is unchanging. If God doesn’t care what we eat then why did God care back in the Old Testament? Jesus said he did not come to change one letter of the law. Only that he “fulfilled” it. What did he mean by that?

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The ordinances of the Old Testament were put in place to teach the Israelites what it is like to be in a relationship with their God. They had spent so much time in Egypt that they had taken on the mannerisms and nuances of Egyptian life. Worshipping goats and bulls, wearing egyptian trinkets and idols, all of that. God was saying to them, hey I want to be in relationship with you… but you… you can’t be like them… you can’t just do whatever you want. I want you to be set apart… I want people to know you are in relationship with me. I want you to be cleansed of all those things that you are doing that worship a false God… including the God of your own ego.
And why don’t we follow these laws anymore?
Well we do follow some of them right? The 10 commandments for instance. Jesus came along and gave us something greater. We weren’t getting it right. He didn’t do away with it, he fulfilled it. He showed us how to be in communion with God, and even deeper and intense relationship than the Law could provide. He fulfilled the law, didn’t do away with it.

We don’t follow temple law, because the temple is no longer a building but something internal in our bodies… but we follow the spirit of it right? We have to let the Holy Spirit make us clean inside so that God can come reside in there and we have to work in cooperation with that. The dietary laws he did away with too, showing us that we weren’t getting the message. We weren’t seeing it as a way to draw closer to God, a discipline. The moral law though? He increased.

He said this is what it means to be in relationship with God… this is the full revelation of the entirety of the Law and the Prophets… love… love for God and love for your fellow man. That made it even harder to follow. 613 rules were supposed to free you. Just like playing the piano… the more you did it? The less you had to think about it. Instead, they began to use it as a way to avoid love… not a way to make love a part of their very existence.

I don’t believe it was that God just cared what we ate… but that God wanted us to get a sense of what it meant to be set apart. The pagans do this? Well we don’t. They worship these? Well we sacrifice them to the only true God. They wear these clothes? Ok, we won’t. We’ll wear only this.

God does not change… but the Scriptures are an organic progression of theological thought. God was revealing himself to the people over time. They did not have a full understanding of him, but they wrote down their journey. As we journey through with them, we find that evolution of thought and understanding of revelation growing… after the Babylonian exile we see them writing down more and more, trying to make sense of what it means to be God’s people. Why did we suffer? Why were we captured? We don’t even have a temple now, didn’t God say David’s throne would last forever? Etc.

It is in Christ that we find all those answers. That’s what it means to be fulfilled. He came to show us not the letter of the Law, the Pharisees and Scribes had that down… he came to show us how we were supposed to be living it. Loving one another. Living a life counter culturally to the point where people had no doubt that we were follows of the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob.

Just another point, we are no longer a developing nation with lack of knowledge of farming and social structures. Many of those laws were specific to the development of that nation as they went from a society of slaves to a royal Kingdom. We are no longer a people of the sacrificial temple, Jesus Christ was the one time sacrifice for all. In his fulfillment he showed us a greater way, a greater temple, a greater sacrifice, a more difficult code of morality (not a lesser one).
 
Bmullins’ answer is excellent (👍), and I just wish to humbly add a footnote to it:

When God gave the Law/Mizvot to Moses and to the people, He bound them to it. When Christ came, He and the Apostles loosened us from much of the Law. This ability to “bind and loose” was given by Christ to the Apostles, and from the Apostles to their successors, and so on to our Bishops today.

So, even today the Church binds and looses commandments on the people of God. There is nothing inherently in Friday Lenten fasts, Holy Days of Obligation, yearly communion, etc. that makes them mortal sins, just as there is nothing inherently sinful in eating pork and shellfish, but these laws were bound on all because our Bishops have found them necessary for whatever reason, just as God found it necessary at the time to bind the prohibition of pork, shellfish, etc., on the people of Israel.

On the other hand, the sins mentioned and implied in the Decalogue, like murder and divorce, are inherently evil (and are known as the natural law: the law of human nature, that is, of human nature’s inherent purpose and fulfillment), and no amount of efforts by certain clergy (:mad:) can loose these Laws.

Christi pax,

Lucretius
 
Old Testament laws were God’s first controls on an out of control situation.

Men killing their wives to get out of marriage, homosexual gang rape, bestiality, incest, child prostitution and child sacrifice, cannibalism, murder, bribery, extortion… all these were rampant at the time of Moses. Mankind was out of control.

God never intended the Old Testament laws to be permanent, only to be his first steps.

-Tim-
 
Quick question though. How does one determine the difference in the moral laws that are absolute and the legal laws that were just for the time?
 
Quick question though. How does one determine the difference in the moral laws that are absolute and the legal laws that were just for the time?
We know the difference by means of the natural law, which is knowable by reason alone and written on the heart of every man (see St. Paul), and implied in the Decalogue.

Christi pax,

Lucretius
 
We know the difference by means of the natural law, which is knowable by reason alone and written on the heart of every man (see St. Paul), and implied in the Decalogue.

Christi pax,

Lucretius
👍 Just to add, we also know which apply and do not by the Magisterium. We as Catholics often take it for granted that we have 2000 years of well reasoned and logical arguments (in the traditional sense of the word) written into encyclicals and documents to guide us and help us find those things that still apply. God is very logical, very reasonable, very rational.
 
Gentiles were never meant to follow the Holiness Code. Those Laws were meant to keep the Jews away from the culture of gentiles, to be more aware of their uniqueness over all the other peoples of the world . With the New Covenant we are not to find our salvation through laws but through our intimate association with Jesus. Paul says that the law doesn’t save but Jesus does. So salvation comes from the person of Jesus Christ.
Any Jew will tell you that the Holiness Laws were meant to be for the Jews and the Jews only. Again to keep them away from Gentile influence and remind them that they are still God’s chosen people.
No matter how some sects like SDA say that the Law was supposed to be carried on by Christians the new covenant sees things a bit different. We are supposed to be in the world but not of it.
 
But wait, some of those laws were enforceable by death. That seems a bit more serious that just being set apart.
 
But wait, some of those laws were enforceable by death. That seems a bit more serious that just being set apart.
99.999% of the time the death penalty was not carried out.

That’s the whole point of the sacrificial system. They truly repentant would offer a sacrifice and atone for their sin.

God’s mercy in action right there.

-Tim-
 
Not saying you’re wrong, but where is that listed? All the death penalties listed in Leviticus and Deuteronomy don’t seem to have escape clauses. We definitely of at least one case where it would’ve been followed out; that woman who committed adultery that Jesus saved.
 
But wait, some of those laws were enforceable by death. That seems a bit more serious that just being set apart.
I think we with our ‘modern’ sensibilities think of sin as something not as serious as it truly is. The entire purpose of the death penalties of those laws was to show us how serious a relationship with the very source of being itself, the creator of the universe, God himself… is. We almost treat sin like a timeout, like a slap on the wrist… but the Israelites of the desert believed it was so serious that someone had to die. That’s the whole sacrificial system. Sin = death. That’s why scripture records “The wages of sin is death” Romans 6:23

That’s why Jesus came to die for us. God was revealing to us that when we sin we die spiritually. We are cut off from the source of life itself. That if we sin seriously enough, someone has to die for it. Blood… (they viewed as life itself) had to be spilt. Animal blood wasn’t enough… it just covered it for a time. Then they had to come back and do it again… and again… and again… God came down himself, the Son, in human flesh and spilt his own blood in our place. All of that death was to show us that God himself was willing to die in our place to keep that relationship with us.
 
Not saying you’re wrong, but where is that listed? All the death penalties listed in Leviticus and Deuteronomy don’t seem to have escape clauses. We definitely of at least one case where it would’ve been followed out; that woman who committed adultery that Jesus saved.
That’s a very broad question. What Jewish sources today indicate is that Jewish leaders looked for any exception to impose the death penalty, because murder itself was prohibited by the covenant.

Now, I forget the exact stipulation created certainly by Rabbi Akiva if not by others before him, that a person could break any commandment of the Torah to escape themselves from death, except certain commandments that could not ever be broken - idolatry, murder, and I think the other two were - I forget. So, murder was never allowed, and so imposing the death penalty was taken very, very seriously.

Somewhere in the Torah there is the report of the man who was picking up sticks on the Sabbath. Now, the command was clearly understood, that no work was to be done on the Sabbath. As I recall the story, the people went to ask Moses what should be done and Moses went to God – just to be sure – before the death penalty was imposed (If I have the story correct). Even in the Torah, though, there are exceptions to not working on the Sabbath, such as to rescue animals or help the sick and injured – as I vaguely recall.

Jesus is teaching a whole new commandment of love, even or especially towards those who we would revile in our self-righteousness.
 
The ordinances of the Old Testament were put in place to teach the Israelites what it is like to be in a relationship with their God. They had spent so much time in Egypt that they had taken on the mannerisms and nuances of Egyptian life. Worshipping goats and bulls, wearing egyptian trinkets and idols, all of that. God was saying to them, hey I want to be in relationship with you… but you… you can’t be like them… you can’t just do whatever you want. I want you to be set apart… I want people to know you are in relationship with me. I want you to be cleansed of all those things that you are doing that worship a false God… including the God of your own ego.

Well we do follow some of them right? The 10 commandments for instance. Jesus came along and gave us something greater. We weren’t getting it right. He didn’t do away with it, he fulfilled it. He showed us how to be in communion with God, and even deeper and intense relationship than the Law could provide. He fulfilled the law, didn’t do away with it.

We don’t follow temple law, because the temple is no longer a building but something internal in our bodies… but we follow the spirit of it right? We have to let the Holy Spirit make us clean inside so that God can come reside in there and we have to work in cooperation with that. The dietary laws he did away with too, showing us that we weren’t getting the message. We weren’t seeing it as a way to draw closer to God, a discipline. The moral law though? He increased.

He said this is what it means to be in relationship with God… this is the full revelation of the entirety of the Law and the Prophets… love… love for God and love for your fellow man. That made it even harder to follow. 613 rules were supposed to free you. Just like playing the piano… the more you did it? The less you had to think about it. Instead, they began to use it as a way to avoid love… not a way to make love a part of their very existence.

I don’t believe it was that God just cared what we ate… but that God wanted us to get a sense of what it meant to be set apart. The pagans do this? Well we don’t. They worship these? Well we sacrifice them to the only true God. They wear these clothes? Ok, we won’t. We’ll wear only this.

God does not change… but the Scriptures are an organic progression of theological thought. God was revealing himself to the people over time. They did not have a full understanding of him, but they wrote down their journey. As we journey through with them, we find that evolution of thought and understanding of revelation growing… after the Babylonian exile we see them writing down more and more, trying to make sense of what it means to be God’s people. Why did we suffer? Why were we captured? We don’t even have a temple now, didn’t God say David’s throne would last forever? Etc.

It is in Christ that we find all those answers. That’s what it means to be fulfilled. He came to show us not the letter of the Law, the Pharisees and Scribes had that down… he came to show us how we were supposed to be living it. Loving one another. Living a life counter culturally to the point where people had no doubt that we were follows of the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob.

Just another point, we are no longer a developing nation with lack of knowledge of farming and social structures. Many of those laws were specific to the development of that nation as they went from a society of slaves to a royal Kingdom. We are no longer a people of the sacrificial temple, Jesus Christ was the one time sacrifice for all. In his fulfillment he showed us a greater way, a greater temple, a greater sacrifice, a more difficult code of morality (not a lesser one).
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