Why so many Protestant denominations

[c659smith]

Estesbob,

Do we not have the ten commandments is this law part of the old,the new, or both.

Jesus did not come down to earth to do away with the old law of God but to make it new again and to show us how to follow it as through His death and resuurection we were made new again that death was not final and that we may live . Something we lost through Original sin.

Rift repaired for mankind so we may if we wish, to have the chance to gain heaven

 

[estesbob]

Estesbob,

Do we not have the ten commandments is this law part of the old,the new, or both.

Jesus did not come down to earth to do away with the old law of God but to make it new again and to show us how to follow it as through His death and resuurection we were made new again that death was not final and that we may live . Something we lost through Original sin.

Rift repaired for mankind so we may if we wish, to have the chance to gain heaven

I agree with you. I was merely commenting on his distortion of Scripture to fit his newfound beliefs. It is interesting that you don’t often see in Hosea quoted by Protestants when they are trying to convince us that we are saved by faith alone.

 

[c659smith]

estesbob,

I agree with you and what you said I was leading Southwell into his next question.

 

[DebChris]

Faith without works is dead. Please, ask first, before blanketing all Protestants with that belief. That’s why I like the term non denominational; I’m not protesting anything or anybody. I’m just a sinner, living in a fallen world, saved by Grace and trying to serve God’s Kingdom.

How can we receive God’s Gift of Salvation and NOT obey His wisdom and Word?

See, this is the funny thing. It has been my own experience that I’ve seen more unity among the believers (RC, Protestant, non-denominational, etc.) rather than chaos. The things the various groups disagree on (esp. among the non-RC’s) are more about seeing doctrinal matters from a particular viewpoint. It’s rather like the “one body, many parts” idea. Each part has its own perspective, yet it belongs to the whole body - and cannot be complete without the rest of the parts.

Even when we are short-sighted and miss the bigger picture (as we often do), G-d makes up the difference and extends His grace and mercy to us.

In the Book of Acts, we find that the early Church submitted to the teachings of the Apostles. This is the Tradition that has been carried forth to this day within the Catholic Church.
Every person on this thread can argue with one another with nothing being accomplished in the process. Those alive today are not responsible for the actions that took place during the Reformation. Those new to a relationship with Jesus Christ come to Him because of their affiliation with members of a specific denomination. This division between us is not of God. Jesus prayed “that all may be one.” Continual sniping only confirms that it is sin, and not God that causes the divisions between us.

 

[Rbt_Southwell]

• “For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, says the Lord: I will put My laws in their mind and write them on their hearts; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people. None of them shall teach his neighbour, and none his brother, saying, ‘Know the Lord,’ for all shall know Me, from the least of them to the greatest of them”

Heb. 10:16 - “This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, says the Lord: I will put My laws into their hearts, and in their minds I will write them”

COGHOBDOJ:

You are quoting St Paul who is quoting Jeremiah (from the Septuagint). Well, I think the conversation was NT grounded because your statement had to do with “His Word on our hearts.”

And, assuming your a good Catholic and know your Scripture, then how is the ‘Word’ which is Jesus (cf esp St John) inscribed on our hearts?

But more importantly, as to your assertion, how is the ‘Bible’ or ‘How To Be A Christian Without A Church’ inscribed on our hearts???

Robert

 

[johnnydigit]

pete 29 hopefully you can put this in your original post for reference.

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Why do Catholics fall away from the Church in our day?

This is an important question, because every year thousands of Catholics give up the practice of their faith. They leave the true fold. Why? In considering the causes we would like to help those who are out of the Church and who would like to come back, and we want to warn everyone of you to avoid these causes.

1. Proud people leave the Church. They are too proud to bend their wills to the authority of God’s Church, too proud to accept the suggestions and corrections of their spiritual shepherds. Once they have left the Church they are too proud to come back.
2. Ignorance causes people to leave the Church, ignorance of the true teachings of the true fold, ignorance of the means needed to stay in the grace and friendship of God. Take stock, everyone of you. You must continue to learn about your religion, even after you have finished the catechism or have made your first Holy Communion. In general, Catholics who stray from the sheepfold do not know the simplest truths of their faith.
3. Another certain cause of leakage is carelessness in attending Sunday Mass. The surest and quickest way to lose your faith is to miss Sunday Mass through your own fault. And the closest step to missing Mass is regularly coming late to the Holy Sacrifice.
4. Materialism makes many leave the Church. They want money, fine clothes, the best cars, social position, the things of this world. They cannot see the value or even the meaning of the spiritual.
5. Mixed marriages drag many out of the fold. Statistics prove that. Beware of them.
6. Bad marriages are another cause, a big one today, with so many divorced people running around. Find out as soon as you begin to get serious about anyone, whether he or she was married before. Your eternal salvation depends upon it.
7. Indifferentism causes many to fall away. They repeat the senseless, unreasonable and illogical sentence: “One religion is just as good as any other.” Logic proves that false. Each religion teaches something different. All can’t be right. This shallow idea that it does not make any difference what you believe, has led some to leave the Church. Ours is not the easiest religion to live. These lost sheep choose an easier one. Generally the Catholic who falls away does not join any other church. He goes to no church.
8. Still another reason for lost sheep is bad company. We see that in the story about St. John and the splendid young man who was led into a wicked life by sinful companions. How happy was St. John and how happy were the angels in heaven when the young sheep who was lost was brought back to the fold. You might be able to add another reason or two to these causes for the loss of sheep from the true Church. Should you know of anyone who has wandered away, no matter how hardened and hopeless his case may seem, invite that individual to come back in. And you who are still in the bosom of Mother Church, consider carefully the causes I have outlined, the reasons we have lost sheep - pride, ignorance, missing Mass, materialism, mixed marriages, bad marriages, indifferentism, and bad company.
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imo, often emotional issues are what hinder them from seeing the cold hard truth. let us pray for them.

 

[estesbob]

In the Book of Acts, we find that the early Church submitted to the teachings of the Apostles. This is the Tradition that has been carried forth to this day within the Catholic Church.
Every person on this thread can argue with one another with nothing being accomplished in the process. Those alive today are not responsible for the actions that took place during the Reformation. Those new to a relationship with Jesus Christ come to Him because of their affiliation with members of a specific denomination. This division between us is not of God. Jesus prayed “that all may be one.” Continual sniping only confirms that it is sin, and not God that causes the divisions between us.

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Some may call it sniping-I call it proclaiming the truth.

 

[c659smith]

RBT SOUTHWELL,

now a question to you is why do so many protestant ministers convert to Catholism?

 

[paidion]

estesbob and others,

I would suggest proclaiming the truth… in love. Not mushy, gushy, feel-good warm fuzzies, but walking along side someone instead of body-slamming him/her.

Sometimes truth takes a while to sink in. Look at King David; he did not immediately comprehend his folly with Bathsheba… & he is spoken of as “a man after G-d’s own heart”.

shalom
just my :twocents:

 

[estesbob]

estesbob and others,

I would suggest proclaiming the truth… in love. Not mushy, gushy, feel-good warm fuzzies, but walking along side someone instead of body-slamming him/her.

Sometimes truth takes a while to sink in. Look at King David; he did not immediately comprehend his folly with Bathsheba… & he is spoken of as “a man after G-d’s own heart”.

shalom
just my :twocents:

I am sorry I come across as mushy ,gushy feel-good warm fuzzy-Ill try to be a lillte more stridenti the future

 

[c659smith]

Paidion

King David knew well what he was doing. King David fell committing a sin of the flesh and paid for it dearly with his first born’s death.
But as it may, out of something bad comes good. Do you know who King David’s 2nd born was with Bathsheba? As good defeats evil each and everytime the devil does not win

 

[paidion]

I am sorry I come across as mushy ,gushy feel-good warm fuzzy-Ill try to be a lillte more stridenti the future

estesbob,

 

[paidion]

Paidion

King David knew well what he was doing. King David fell committing a sin of the flesh and paid for it dearly with his first born’s death.
But as it may, out of something bad comes good. Do you know who King David’s 2nd born was with Bathsheba? As good defeats evil each and everytime the devil does not win

ok, I’ll give you that King David knew what he was doing… but as with all sin, there’s that subtle slide where we really get in over our head before we fully realize it… in David’s case, the :newidea: came when Nathan confronted him with the truth in the story of the poor man/ rich man (II Sam12)

You are also correct in that G-d brought good out of what was originally evil. Jedidiah "beloved of the L-rd a.k.a Solomon was the second-born.

 

[c659smith]

Paidon

I agree with you to the point of the slide to mortal sin. But little white lies lead to big ones, flirting while married or with someone that is married leads to adultery.

But well the “Jesus will understand” or I just do not beleve that speech leads to those large sins where we knew we were wrong from the beginning.

 

[COGHOBDOJ]

COGHOBDOJ

Do you believe in baptism is necessary.

For Salvation? That’s a good one. The thief on the cross next to Jesus only confessed his faith in Christ and Jesus said he’ll be in the Kingdom of Heaven. He didn’t get baptized.

I believe we’re commanded to be baptized.

Ever do hospital visitations and share the gospel with a patient on his/her deathbed, lead one on a death bed to Christ? Had time for a baptism? Had time for an RCIA class?

What do you think happened to the theif on the cross? What would you think would happen to a person accepting Jesus as Savior minutes before death?

 

[COGHOBDOJ]

COGHOBDOJ;3168039:

I thought Jesus did away with the law? And how do these verses in any way prove that God said he was can inscribe his word on arts, I don’t see a word about “Word” in these verses. And what word is God going to inscribe on our hearts? Your interpretation of the word? The church’s interpretation of the word? The Mormons interpretation of the word? Your next-door neighbors interpretation of the word? David Koresh’s is interpretation of the word.

He fulfilled the law, never did away with it. Without the law, how would we know we needed His Grace.

Check out the book of Romans.

Again, it’s really not as complicated as you make it out to be. God didn’t send us a bunch of riddles to solve. He sent us His Son, a Savior.

Why are you making it so difficult to know, walk with and follow Christ? Isn’t His burden light?

 

[COGHOBDOJ]

COGHOBDOJ:

 

[FaithofAbraham]

COGHOBDOJ:

 

[estesbob]

Rbt Southwell;3170739:

God = Jesus = The Word = The Holy Spirit.

All those who recieve God’s Plan of Salvation through the New Covenant of Faith in Christ’s death and resurrection receive The Holy Spirit in their “hearts.” That’s how.

As for your last paragraph: I don’t know. It’s inscribed on my heart and I worship and serve at a local church. So, I don’t know.

And the Holy Spirit incribes different things each personas hearts -some in direct contradiction to what he has incribed on other hearts. Correct?

To come up with such a simplistic view of faith one must ignore the thousands & thousnads of different denominations and must ignore almost the entire history of Chrisitianity. You never adress these points-you just come back with empty platitudes and tell us how simple it all his.

 

[COGHOBDOJ]

COGHOBDOJ;3171595:

And the Holy Spirit incribes different things each personas hearts -some in direct contradiction to what he has incribed on other hearts. Correct?

To come up with such a simplistic view of faith one must ignore the thousands & thousnads of different denominations and must ignore almost the entire history of Chrisitianity. You never adress these points-you just come back with empty platitudes and tell us how simple it all his.

That’s cause there’s no problem with the thousands and thousands of denominations. Remember, you, not me, has a problem with that. So, I don’t have to address those points.

I would like to think that God loves us so much that He would give us a simple message, so that little ole’, simple me can understand His message just as easy as sophisticated, educated, highbrowed and refined folk like you.