Why so many Protestant denominations

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Even those outside of The Law can be saved by God through the virtue of their living The Law that is written in their hearts by God:

Romans 2:
25For circumcision verily profiteth, if thou keep the law: but if thou be a breaker of the law, thy circumcision is made uncircumcision.

26Therefore if the uncircumcision keep the righteousness of the law, shall not his uncircumcision be counted for circumcision?

27And shall not uncircumcision which is by nature, if it fulfil the law, judge thee, who by the letter and circumcision dost transgress the law?

28For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh:

29But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.
 
Mother Church’s clarification…so just accept it and stop trying to exclude non-Catholic Christian brethren!

If you refuse to accept this teaching, you are outrightly disobeing The Catholic Church!

*It holds that, among those who “do not profess the Catholic faith in its entirety or have not preserved unity or communion under the successor of Peter … those who believe in Christ and have been properly baptized are put in a certain, although imperfect, communion with the Catholic Church” and that “(t)hose who have not yet received the Gospel are related to the People of God in various ways” (Catechism of the Catholic Church, 838-839).

The Second Vatican Council further explained the status of non-Catholic Christians (“separated brethren”) as follows (Unitatis Redintegratio, 3):

But even in spite of them it remains true that all who have been justified by faith in Baptism are members of Christ’s body, and have a right to be called Christian, and so are correctly accepted as brothers by the children of the Catholic Church.

Moreover, some and even very many of the significant elements and endowments which together go to build up and give life to the Church itself, can exist outside the visible boundaries of the Catholic Church: the written word of God; the life of grace; faith, hope and charity, with the other interior gifts of the Holy Spirit, and visible elements too. All of these, which come from Christ and lead back to Christ, belong by right to the one Church of Christ.

The brethren divided from us also use many liturgical actions of the Christian religion. These most certainly can truly engender a life of grace in ways that vary according to the condition of each Church or Community. These liturgical actions must be regarded as capable of giving access to the community of salvation.

It follows that the separated Churches and Communities as such, though we believe them to be deficient in some respects, have been by no means deprived of significance and importance in the mystery of salvation. For the Spirit of Christ has not refrained from using them as instruments of salvation which derive their efficacy from the very fullness of grace and truth entrusted to the Church.

Nevertheless, our separated brethren, whether considered as individuals or as communities and Churches, are not blessed with that unity which Jesus Christ wished to bestow on all those to whom He has given new birth into one body, and whom He has quickened to newness of life - that unity which the Holy Scriptures and the ancient Tradition of the Church proclaim. For it is through Christ’s Catholic Church alone, which is the universal help towards salvation, that the fullness of the means of salvation can be obtained. It was to the apostolic college alone, of which Peter is the head, that we believe that our Lord entrusted all the blessings of the New Covenant, in order to establish on earth the one body of Christ into which all those must be fully incorporated who belong in any way to the people of God …*
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extra_Ecclesiam_Nulla_Salus
 
2ndGen said:
Mother Church’s clarification…so just accept it and stop trying to exclude non-Catholic Christian brethren!

If you refuse to accept this teaching, you are outrightly disobeing The Catholic Church!

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I am not sure who you are addressing? I have not seen anybody in this thread exclude non-Catholic Christians from salvation. You did, however, do a great job of dismantling that strawman!
 
paidion said:
Paidion wonders if the last several posts indicate a dis-unity among the Catholics…gee, does that mean all Catholics disagree this way?? Does this mean the Catholic church is not unified?? Could individual members in the Church be listening to someone/thing other than Christ? Does this also mean that everything about the Catholic Church is wrong?

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Perhaps this is why there are so many Protestant denominations???

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How many times does one member of a family misinterpret what the head of the household (the father) has told the family? This does not mean that the father no longer loves his son/daughter. It may, however, mean dealing with him/her personally in order for him/her to understand.
To this end, each of us has been given the Holy Spirit as a guide. And since Jesus is our oldest brother, and knows what the Father wants, he can help us correct our errors.
paidion said:
What I couldn’t show through the emot-icons was “a tongue-in-cheek”. #560 wasn’t meant to be a serious reply… it was meant to illustrate that the differences in denomination are primarily minor issues - what color should the carpet be, what kind of music will be allowed during service…

There are basic truths of Christianity to which all who fall under the category “Christian” adhere. Both Catholics and non-RCs agree on many points of doctrine. Having lived in various places around the world I have seen more of a continuity of beliefs in non-RC churches than a disunity. And because this continuity is not what I would call a “conscious effort” on the part of these various churches to be saying/doing the same things, I would offer this unity is from the Holy Spirit. (Wouldn’t the Holy Spirit be working to draw believers together vs. separating them?)

My whole intention of the post (#560) was to point out why there are so many denominations, and also to point out that their differences often aren’t doctrinal ones, but rather petty ones.

Do I think it’s right for a church to divide over such petty issues? Absolutely not. It grieves me (and I believe the Father too) when we bicker over trivial matters (pews, carpet, etc.). But as I already stated, I still see G-d working to change the hearts and minds of His followers to conform us/them to His likeness, (tho’ I think this doesn’t happen quickly enough for some folks’ liking.)

blessings…
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Some of the changes that have occurred during the past century include Baptists using stained glass windows in their churches. The local newspaper had a front page story of Stations of the Cross (there were only 12) found in the basement being put on the Sanctuary walls. These may be minor window dressing changes but they demonstrate some of the petty differences that are being set aside.
One of the biggest changes is the adoption of the Catholic liturgical calendar by many non-Catholic denominations. The Word of God is being taught even if these various denominations lack the fullness of daily liturgical expression available to Catholics.
Some churches have Wednesday or Thursday night services. The Book of Acts describes how the earliest Christians met daily for the breaking of the bread and the prayers. We are blessed with the ability to receive our Lord in the Eucharist everyday.
One of the prophecies at a conference I attended in Minneapolis was “Weep for the Body of my Son is broken.” It is Christ’s desire that we reconcile with one another, whether that division took place yesterday or 1000 years ago. This reconciliation begins with respect for one another. It does not mean capitulating on matters of doctrine and Tradition as it has come to us from the Apostles under the protection of the Holy Spirit.
 
estesbob said:
I am not sure who you are addressing? I have not seen anybody in this thread exclude non-Catholic Christians from salvation. You did, however, do a great job of dismantling that strawman!
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I posted this to respond to someone’s post about Salvation outside of The Church.

As for the comment towards the Christian exclusionists, I wasn’t referring to Salvation, but to The Church.

I’m on more threads than a needle in a sewing factory!

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2ndGen said:
I posted this to respond to someone’s post about Salvation outside of The Church.

As for the comment towards the Christian exclusionists, I wasn’t referring to Salvation, but to The Church.

I’m on more threads than a needle in a sewing factory!

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I hardly ever post myself:D
 
estesbob said:
No- you get CAF straitjacket. But the Lenten season will soon be here and you will have a chance to catch up with me.
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Actually, I was trying to calculate how long it would take me to get to your strata at the rate I’m going now. I put up over 800 in 5 days. I’d say that given the right “encouragement” 😉 , and it would take me about 2 months.

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(and the board uninamously yells…[SIGN]Don’t encourage him, please![/SIGN])
 
2ndGen said:
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Actually, I was trying to calculate how long it would take me to get to your strata at the rate I’m going now. I put up over 800 in 5 days. I’d say that given the right “encouragement” 😉 , and it would take me about 2 months.

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(and the board uninamously yells…[sign]Don’t encourage him, please![/sign])
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You are number one for the month and for the last 24 hours.
 
Never mind…found it.

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I definately need to evolve my Catholicism and get on the Spirituality side now. I’ve been playing in the NCC thread too long.

There’s sooo much here, it’s pleasantly overwhelming.

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:confused: hi 2ndgen fbl9 here aka strawman i guess. my point is if the church includes the seperated christians in her fold then they are the ones who are being disobediant to the church.which takes preferance a falliable teaching or an infalliable one? if you are bored checkout thread"protestant=heretic posting by peary posting#111 on that thread. may God help us amen.
 
hi 2ndgen fbl9 here
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Hi FB…🙂
my point is if the church includes the seperated christians in her fold then they are the ones who are being disobediant to the church.
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Fair question. Many times, men disobeyed God and He punished them. He never stopped loving them nor wanting them to come home. Not that we punished those who are anti-us, but we still love them. Isn’t this most reminiscent of God’s mercy?
which takes preferance a falliable teaching or an infalliable one?
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An infallible teaching.

Loving and mercy and compassion and charity are not fallible teachings.
if you are bored checkout thread"protestant=heretic posting by peary posting#111 on that thread. may God help us amen.
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fbl9 said:
:confused: hi 2ndgen fbl9 here aka strawman i guess. my point is if the church includes the seperated christians in her fold then they are the ones who are being disobediant to the church.which takes preferance a falliable teaching or an infalliable one? if you are bored checkout thread"protestant=heretic posting by peary posting#111 on that thread. may God help us amen.
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forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=203233&highlight=protestant%3Dheretic

Actually, post #111 there was pretty spot on.

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(by the way…I don’t believe that protestant=heretic, anti-Catholic=heretic)
 
🙂 hi 2ndgen nor do i believe all protestants are heritics.to be a heretic one must first possess(sic) the truth in order to fall away from it. for myself personally if i were to leave the church ,with God’s grace i know is the true church,for another christian group then would i be condemned. may God help us amen.🙂
 
fbl9 said:
🙂 hi 2ndgen nor do i believe all protestants are heritics.to be a heretic one must first possess(sic) the truth in order to fall away from it. for myself personally if i were to leave the church ,with God’s grace i know is the true church,for another christian group then would i be condemned. may God help us amen.🙂
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I am not going to go through 42 pages of posts. So if I repeat what has been said, so be it. Even just one Protestant denomination is one too many. If the first one was right to begin with, why did we end up with 42,000 more and still growing?
 
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