Why some images shock us

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estesbob said:
Its not just the graphic images the abortion aplogists oppose. they fight tooth and nail to keep anyone from showing women what the child looks like before they abort it. When our CPC was obtaing 3 d ultrasound Planned Parenthood tried to get the law changed so that such devices could only be used in certified medical clinic.
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The abortion clinic that I passed turned their photos to the street, not the doorway in which young mothers would pass.
 
vern_humphrey said:
Nice dodge!😛

You’ve seen both sets of images.
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I haven’t seen the images, although I know that either Charlotte or Raleigh had a showing of this exhibition. I chose not to take my children.

Explaining to a young very young child that a mother can destroy her own baby is to frightening to a three year old mind. As a parent it should be my choice when to introduce such a concept.
 
deb1 said:
I haven’t seen the images, although I know that either Charlotte or Raleigh had a showing of this exhibition. I chose not to take my children.

Explaining to a young very young child that a mother can destroy her own baby is to frightening to a three year old mind. As a parent it should be my choice when to introduce such a concept.
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That’s what the argument always boils down to – “me”, "my child", "my right."

But never “my duty,” "my responsibility,“my obligation.”

And, as I pointed out, the exhibition of bodies from China is just as macbre, just as graphic, but it doesn’t invoke the white-hot hostility that graphic pictures of aborted children recieve.

I wonder why?😉
 
I am glad we finally got around to discussing the appropriateness of showing graphic images of abortion. It is a subject that has been long neglected in CAF.😉
 
aphisherofmen said:
Why some images shock us…

Thought this was an interesting answer to the abortionists who object to images of “fetal tissue” being used to dissuade people from getting abortions.
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It’s because it allows them to divert attention away from the problem itself.
Elric said:
As has been pointed out many a time, that statement is complete rubbish.
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Have yet to see anything conclusive in regards to that being “complete rubbish.”
Elric said:
I dont think that “parental responsibilities” includes exposing children to graphic images and I dont think that it is “self-serving” to protect children from such things (personally the images dont effect me).
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If you want to leave your children safe in the seclusion of your home and never go out and about in the world, that is entirely your choice. If you plan to take them out into the world, it would be wise to adequately prepare them for what they may encounter.
If you are suggesting that I should teach my children about abortion and what that entails, I am and always have been fully prepared to do so. If my son gets someone pregnant, I want him to know that he can come to me and talk about it and that I will support him, his spouse and their child in every way that I can.
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Waiting until after your son gets someone pregnant is a wee bit late, I would think, but again that is your responsibility.
Same thing goes for my daughter.
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Personally I would choose to start instructing my daughter as soon as she were old enough to comprehend anything. A wee bit late there also.
KarenNC said:
Our society deems it inappropriate to show visuals that the majority of people would agree are intentionally horrific to any young child without the permission of that child’s parents, however, including those with developmental disabilities and rightly so. I know for both me and my child, visuals have a much greater impact than words, precisely the reason vern wants to use them and precisely the reason that reasonable levels of care and discrimination should be exercised when using them as to the likely audience.
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I happened upon some “shocking” displays today of some decapitated images that you might want to shield your daughter from as they are quite common. They were life size department store window mannequins used to promote their clothing lines. They are full size human forms without heads. How would your child react upon seeing them?
 
estesbob said:
Its not just the graphic images the abortion aplogists oppose. they fight tooth and nail to keep anyone from showing women what the child looks like before they abort it. When our CPC was obtaing 3 d ultrasound Planned Parenthood tried to get the law changed so that such devices could only be used in certified medical clinic.
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Not to mention the many here who have expressed their desires to outlaw or censor those who wish to fight abortion how they see fit.
 
deb1 said:
The abortion clinic that I passed turned their photos to the street, not the doorway in which young mothers would pass.
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Should help to instill outrage in passerbys about what is going on in that humble little clinic.
 
deb1 said:
Explaining to a young very young child that a mother can destroy her own baby is to frightening to a three year old mind. As a parent it should be my choice when to introduce such a concept.
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Ahh yes, the art of parenting. Indeed a reflection of your reactions. If you choose to tell your three year old child (who probably could care less anyway depending on what you tell him) that these are the result of mothers choosing to slaughter their children, that is indeed your reaction to them causing their grief.
 
vern_humphrey said:
And, as I pointed out, the exhibition of bodies from China is just as macbre, just as graphic, but it doesn’t invoke the white-hot hostility that graphic pictures of aborted children recieve.

I wonder why?😉
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Neither do the pictures of the thousands of bodies floating down the rivers of Kosovo nor of the dead and limbless bodies of those being carried out on stretchers from middle east hostilities. I do remember the Kosovo pictures on the front pages of newstands.
 
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deb1:
Horrible images of evil should not be shown to a very young child.
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I think this is ultimately the crux of the argument. Either you agree or disagree with the statement above (stated as-is or in some modified form). I’m amazed by the cavalier attitude that some people have towards exposing children to graphic images.
vern humphrey:
As has been pointed out many a time, when children get upset over pictures like this, it is simply their reaction to the parents’ response.
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mapleoak:
If you want to leave your children safe in the seclusion of your home and never go out and about in the world, that is entirely your choice. If you plan to take them out into the world, it would be wise to adequately prepare them for what they may encounter.
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I don’t appreciate the propagation of this lie that unless your children actually view pictures of aborted babies they will not be able to understand what abortion is and why it is wrong. Yet at the same time, children are only negatively affected by graphic images because of their parents reactions! What else should we show graphic pictures of to children so they’ll know what to expect in the real world? I think its obvious where I’m going with this…
vern humphrey:
And no one has yet explained to me why there is no outcry over larger-than-life pictures of flayed corpses on New York City busses, but there is a huge hullabaloo over pictures of aborted babies.
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You keep bringing up these New York buses but that is completely irrelevant. I don’t live in New York and have never seen these pictures. If buses in my city showed pictures of flayed corpses or of aborted babies I would be sickened either way and would try to get them removed.

Personally I’m not against the use of graphic abortion pictures as long as they are appropriately kept away from the eyes of passers-by (especially children). I appreciate that these images can be effective means of making people think twice about abortions. However, abortions are not some “conspiracy” that we all have to see with our own eyes (in our day-to-day life, mind you) lest we think that babies just disappear in a puff of smoke or that they are just a clump of cells. There are more effective ways of advancing the pro-life cause than the over-use of shock tactics.
 
vern_humphrey said:
Nice dodge!😛

You’ve seen both sets of images.
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Asking for a link to a picture is a dodge???

Give a link to some of them and I will be able to tell you if I have seen the ones you are discussing. That will also mean that everyone on the thread can see what you mean and have the same frame of reference.
 
vern_humphrey said:
Do you honestly think a 3-year old child knows what they’re looking at when they see the flayed corpse of a Chinese, or the body of an aborted child – unlesss the parent tells them what it is?
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Absolutely I have no doubt that most 3, 4 and 5 year olds can tell that this picture truthtruck.com/ and this flickr.com/photos/operationsaveamerica/1750337523/in/photostream/ are of a dead and badly hurt baby.

What are you suggesting that a parent should tell the child the picture is, if you don’t think that the child will recognize it?
 
mapleoak said:
Ahh yes, the art of parenting. Indeed a reflection of your reactions. If you choose to tell your three year old child (who probably could care less anyway depending on what you tell him) that these are the result of mothers choosing to slaughter their children, that is indeed your reaction to them causing their grief.
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And what exactly do you suggest a parent should tell the child when the child asks about who hurt the baby?
 
vern_humphrey said:
And no one has yet explained to me why there is no outcry over larger-than-life pictures of flayed corpses on New York City busses, but there is a huge hullabaloo over pictures of aborted babies.
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For the purposes of these threads, I would hazard a guess that it is because the topic of the threads has specifically been giant full color tractor trailer sized pictures of blood covered, dismembered and mutilated babies being deliberately displayed in front of young children? I haven’t injected outcries over any number of things that I find offensive because they are not the topic of discussion. Start a thread on the pictures you mean (assuming you decide to find a link rather than just retyping the word “these”) and see who joins in the discussion.🤷
 
mapleoak said:
Neither do the pictures of the thousands of bodies floating down the rivers of Kosovo nor of the dead and limbless bodies of those being carried out on stretchers from middle east hostilities. I do remember the Kosovo pictures on the front pages of newstands.
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Give us links to the images (including details supporting where and how they were shown) and we can compare images and methods.
 
KarenNC said:
And what exactly do you suggest a parent should tell the child when the child asks about who hurt the baby?
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Her mother-and then many have to go on explain why hurting that baby was something they support.

That is what the tragedy of this is. When you look at the picture on that truck keep in mind that every single democrat canidate for President not only supports what whas done to that baby but want the taxpayers to pay for it.
 
mapleoak said:
I Have yet to see anything conclusive in regards to that being “complete rubbish”.

If you want to leave your children safe in the seclusion of your home and never go out and about in the world, that is entirely your choice. If you plan to take them out into the world, it would be wise to adequately prepare them for what they may encounter.

Waiting until after your son gets someone pregnant is a wee bit late, I would think, but again that is your responsibility.
Personally I would choose to start instructing my daughter as soon as she were old enough to comprehend anything. A wee bit late there also.

I happened upon some “shocking” displays today of some decapitated images that you might want to shield your daughter from as they are quite common. They were life size department store window mannequins used to promote their clothing lines. They are full size human forms without heads. How would your child react upon seeing them?
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I was going to reply to this point by point but then I realised, what is the point?

Its just pointless antagonistic claptrap that doesnt add anything to the debate. Its just an attempt to provoke a reaction with absurd word twisting and silly conclusions (Of course I meant that I would wait until after my son got someone pregnant before I spoke with him about such matters and the comparison of headless store mannequins and bloodied dismembered babies is entirely accurate).

Oh well.
 
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