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Mickey:
Hello Ahimsaman,

I would be interested to hear your opinion regarding the information set forth on the following website:

kensmen.com/catholic/jc2.html
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Hey Mickey!!!

Honestly? To be honest, there is truth mixed with fiction. I have checked numerous Judaism sites and have a copy of “Everyman’s Talmud” along with the JPS translation Tanakh with extensive commentar notes. From what I have gathered from those sources, the above site is misleading and naturally biased and meant to show a particular viewpoint.

I really like the www.jewfaq.org site and the www.jewsforjudaism.org site as they seem to be the best sources for authentic Jewish teaching and practice.

I could pick portions of it to describe what is misleading but unless you really want to see those portions, I will not post them here. I refer you to the above two sites for clarity on authentic Jewish teaching and to StillSmallVoice, who is an Orthodox Jew here on this forum. He would be much more knowledgeable than I on such extensive information.

In the end, I harbor no desire to force all people on earth to adhere to Judaism such as described on the link you provided. I respect all people’s rights to believe and practice what they will. If that is right or wrong, then I must stand before G-d and receive just judgement from Him.

Peace my friend…
 
Hello, ahimsaman, my dear friend,

I’m with you:

“I have renounced all that and become a Noahide - which I believe is the only faith that makes sense and offers freedom.”
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As for “organzied” anything, I’m with you on simply
following the Noahidic laws.
And, if Jesus *is *Who He says He is, then the
only option for me would be to lean against the
cross and let others fight it out. It’s quieter at
the cross, and the only place to be for the
“walking wounded.”
Be well, ahimsaman,
Maureen [reen12]

Sh’ma Yisrael Adonai Elohaynu Adonai Echad!
 
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reen12:
Hello, ahimsaman, my dear friend,

I’m with you:

“I have renounced all that and become a Noahide - which I believe is the only faith that makes sense and offers freedom.”
quote ahimsaman
As for “organzied” anything, I’m with you on simply
following the Noahidic laws.
And, if Jesus *is *Who He says He is, then the
only option for me would be to lean against the
cross and let others fight it out. It’s quieter at
the cross, and the only place to be for the
“walking wounded.”
Be well, ahimsaman,
Maureen [reen12]

Sh’ma Yisrael Adonai Elohaynu Adonai Echad!
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Oh, hello dear Maureen my friend.

So, we have chosen this hard road together? It is a strange one, I must say. In the end, the Great G-d of Abraham will judge my decisions. If I seek Him out as best I can, then what else can I do? I am certainly conflicted because of my ties to Christianity, but feel I am being less than honest with G-d to continue on that path.

I am here for mutual support and friendship dear one.

G-d bless you and keep you till we speak again.

Shalom…
 
Shalom, ahimsaman,

It is about facing God in honesty, isn’t it?
I do understand, good friend,

Maureen [reen12]
Sh’ma Yisrael Adonai Elohaynu Adonai Echad!
 
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ahimsaman72:
Hey Mickey!!!

Honestly? To be honest, there is truth mixed with fiction. I have checked numerous Judaism sites and have a copy of “Everyman’s Talmud” along with the JPS translation Tanakh with extensive commentar notes. From what I have gathered from those sources, the above site is misleading and naturally biased and meant to show a particular viewpoint.

I really like the www.jewfaq.org site and the www.jewsforjudaism.org site as they seem to be the best sources for authentic Jewish teaching and practice.

I could pick portions of it to describe what is misleading but unless you really want to see those portions, I will not post them here. I refer you to the above two sites for clarity on authentic Jewish teaching and to StillSmallVoice, who is an Orthodox Jew here on this forum. He would be much more knowledgeable than I on such extensive information.

In the end, I harbor no desire to force all people on earth to adhere to Judaism such as described on the link you provided. I respect all people’s rights to believe and practice what they will. If that is right or wrong, then I must stand before G-d and receive just judgement from Him.

Peace my friend…
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I shall look at those sites. There is much to learn from Judaism.

:blessyou:
 
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Mickey:
I know you love Jesus. So do I. And I would be ecstatic if the whole world loved Jesus! But we must be careful about stating who is condemned to hell. I know that Jesus says that no one comes to the Father except through Him, but we also must remember the verse about that plank in the eye thing. Catch my drift? 😉
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I understand where your coming from. But it is a lie from the pit of hell to say that there is more than one way. I think I was correct in what I said. If what I said is unbiblical please let me know, so that I may change my view. I was not judging anyone in what I said. I was merely stating the fact that there is no life outside of Christ. Why do you think I should be politically correct?
 
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Tom:
BJ, if this is true, I’d suspect you’re using anti-Catholic sources to do your research. I would not expect an anti-Catholic source to paint a true picture. If you want to really know what the Church teaches, try an approved Church source. To get a proper perspective read the Catholic side and the anti-Catholic side and with an open heart do your own research, especially in Scripture.
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Actually I have been reading Catholic teaching. At pro-Catholic websites, I haven’t even looked at anti-Catholic things. I just disagree with it.
 
2Rollin'Stoned:
So the Jews are going to hell huh? Hmmm…
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Yes, the jews who reject Jesus are going to hell. Even the Catholic Church teaches there is no salvation outside of Jesus. At least it used to. That is one of the things that I agree with the Catholic Church on.
 
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bjcros:
Yes, the jews who reject Jesus are going to hell. Even the Catholic Church teaches there is no salvation outside of Jesus. At least it used to. That is one of the things that I agree with the Catholic Church on.
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Well, that makes me feel alot better now that I know you and the Catholic Church declare Jews hell-bound. The question is - are you joyful about that proclamation? Are you quick to point the finger? Because in the end, God knows all hearts and knows each person intimately. He will make the right choice.

Be open to God’s judgement. He might just send you to hell too or me for that matter. Be careful.

Peace…
 
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ahimsaman72:
Well, that makes me feel alot better now that I know you and the Catholic Church declare Jews hell-bound. The question is - are you joyful about that proclamation? Are you quick to point the finger? Because in the end, God knows all hearts and knows each person intimately. He will make the right choice.

Be open to God’s judgement. He might just send you to hell too or me for that matter. Be careful.

Peace…
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Please, please, please, don’t connect anything this poster says with the Catholic Church. :o
 
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ahimsaman72:
Well, that makes me feel alot better now that I know you and the Catholic Church declare Jews hell-bound. The question is - are you joyful about that proclamation? Are you quick to point the finger? Because in the end, God knows all hearts and knows each person intimately. He will make the right choice.

Be open to God’s judgement. He might just send you to hell too or me for that matter. Be careful.

Peace…
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Read the Catechism, paragraphs 839 through 841. Note the reference to the “plan of salvation” in 841.

The Church does not hold that the Jews are condemned.
 
vern humphrey:
Read the Catechism, paragraphs 839 through 841. Note the reference to the “plan of salvation” in 841.

The Church does not hold that the Jews are condemned.
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I really like the Catechism. It helps one slither through the nonsense and get down to it!

I’m glad to hear that they are not condemned in the Church’s eyes. It would be a harsh judgement in my opinion and diverges from what I see in Scripture.

Thanks for the heads up!

Peace…
 
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ahimsaman72:
I am not a Jew. I am a Noahide. The only way I could be one is to convert to Judaism. Non-Jews are discouraged from converting because of the complexity of the conversion. Instead of following the 7 Noahide laws, one must follow the 613 laws and be an observant Jew. You do the math. G-d has declared that the one who follows the 7 Noahide laws is righteous in G-d’s eyes, so why burden oneself with further laws?
G-d does not expect more from those who cannot give it. No matter how hard I try, I cannot change the fact that I am a Gentile born to Gentile parents and grew up in a Christian environment. G-d expects all mankind to follow at least the 7 laws of Noah and if one does, then one is righteous.
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Alright, what are the Noahide laws? Are they basically the ten commandments? If they are then there is no hope for you to be righteous in God’s eyes. First of all it is physically impossible to follow the ten commandments. God knows this that is why he set up sacrifice, and Jesus was the final sacrifice. He is now the only acceptable sacrifice. You already are unrighteous because you didn’t follow the laws for your whole life atleast I’m pretty sure you haven’t because everyone has broken the commandments. So how do you make up for your past unrighteousness?
 
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Mickey:
Yes, you were! 😦
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No friend I never said someone’s name and said that they were going to hell. Which is what judging is. I made a purely biblical statement. It is not a biblical idea that there is more then one way. I don’t decide what someone believes. Don’t preach judging people to me. The Pope claimed to have the ability to deny access to heaven, at least he did in the middle ages. A man can’t see another man’s heart, but God can. And God will judge us for what we believe. If any of this is non-biblical then point out my fallacy and I will correct my view. I will not change what I believe simply because the church teaches differently. You should support what you believe.
 
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Mickey:
Please, please, please, don’t connect anything this poster says with the Catholic Church. :o
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Hello friend.

I’m not. It just struck me severely when I read the post that I pulled my trigger finger and lost my senses 🙂 . Believe it or not, while I may disagree with some Catholic items, at the end of the day I respect Catholicism for what it is and what it stands for. And a big part of that is my admiration of Pope John Paul the Great, peace be upon him. What a fantastic hero in our modern age filled with turmoil and changes.

By the way, my condolences to you, Vern and others on the death of your great one, His Holiness Pope John Paul II, peace be upon him. He will be sorely missed. I for one will miss him.

Peace…
 
MariaG said:
👋 bjcros

The Orthodox split from the Catholic Church around 1000ad. They do not hold to the primacy of the Pope. I am not trying to convert you. I am just presenting the teachings of Christ, the teachings of the Catholic Church.

Maria
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Just a minor clarification. It’s not the primacy of the pope that the Orthodox object to. In fact, I think you will find that all Orthodox Churches would consider the pope as “first among equals” or having “primacy of honor”. What they object to is papal supremacy, that is, the ultimate authority of the pope over all Christian Churches.
 
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ahimsaman72:
Well, that makes me feel alot better now that I know you and the Catholic Church declare Jews hell-bound. The question is - are you joyful about that proclamation? Are you quick to point the finger? Because in the end, God knows all hearts and knows each person intimately. He will make the right choice.

Be open to God’s judgement. He might just send you to hell too or me for that matter. Be careful.

Peace…
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I’m not Catholic so don’t hold Catholics accountable for what I believe. I am not happy that the Jews or anyone else is hell-bound. but the fact remains that there is no salvation outside of Jesus. I don’t know what you mean “quick to point the finger.” I am careful, I have thought this through alot. I don’t think that nething that I said was unbiblical. God forgives who he wants but I don’t see evidence for there being more than one way in the bible. And that way is through Jesus Christ.
 
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bjcros:
Alright, what are the Noahide laws? Are they basically the ten commandments? If they are then there is no hope for you to be righteous in God’s eyes.
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There are 7 general Noahide laws that can be branched out into many specific commands. They are not the Ten Commandments, which are of a pure Israelite nature. There is the prohibition against idolatry, blasphemy, adultery, sexual misconduct (homosexuality, incest, etc), killing, stealing and there is the expectation (no. 7) of establishing courts of justice to enforce the other six laws. Friend, righteousness is in the hands of God. Neither you nor I are righteous. God declares it so or not so.
First of all it is physically impossible to follow the ten commandments. God knows this that is why he set up sacrifice, and Jesus was the final sacrifice. He is now the only acceptable sacrifice. You already are unrighteous because you didn’t follow the laws for your whole life atleast I’m pretty sure you haven’t because everyone has broken the commandments. So how do you make up for your past unrighteousness?
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But they were still given as the standard that God expects of the Israelites. It’s still better than the alternative of not attempting to follow any rules, don’t you think?

I was raised a Christian and baptized a Christian. It’s only been fairly recently that I have wandered from that faith. Again, God will judge and He will judge righteously. If I deserve eternal death, then He will mete out that judgement and I will have to accept it, won’t I?

I prefer to leave this kind of judgement in His lap. That’s where it belongs - not with you and I friend.

Peace…
 
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