Why the bible is most assuredly not a Catholic book,

[jmcrae]

Thank you for trying to be reasonable.
jmcrae I know the bible to be true. How do I know? It came at an moment in time when I was at a crossroads do I accept God and the bible and specifically the God of the bible or do I search for answers somewhere else. At that moment in time God opened up one of the scripture stories to me and the answer to my question became clear as they never had been. Since then God has used scripture to lead and guide me.

The Scriptures are certainly useful for this.

I dont see Marion doctrines in scripture, yes I have read all those Catholics claim. For me it doesnt matter whether Mary was a perpetual virgin.

It isn’t necessary that the Bible say this, because the same Authority that told us that the Bible can be relied upon (the Bishops of the Catholic Church, and more specifically the Catholic Pope), also told us about Mary’s perpetual virginity. If the Bishops are right about the Bible, then how could they not be right about the Virgin Mary? Since it is the same Holy Spirit who caused them to know both of these items of information, along with everything else that we believe in.

The only reason we know the Bible is true is because the Bishops of the Catholic Church have told us that it is.

But if we don’t believe the Bishops, then we have no basis for believing that the Bible is true - the fact that we learn things from it is not proof, since we can learn things from many other books, also. The fact that it appears to claim to be Inspired by God is also not proof, since the Book of Mormon, the Qu’ran, and many other books appear to claim to have been inspired by God, as well.

But, to believe the Bishops on this one thing, but then to throw out the rest of their teachings, seems irrational. Don’t you think?

 

[PJM]

Why the bible is most assuredly not a Catholic book,

:shrug:Shucks, that’s easy. Because you don’t understand the bible, aparently are unaware that Catholics [the Apostles who are the first Catholic Christians wrote the entire NT and collected the OT], you seem to gloss over the history that the CC and the Catholic Bible were the ONLY Christian Church and Bible for 1,500 years!] and that it is Divinely Inspired.

:DJesus speaking to you friend:

John 17:15 15 I do not pray that thou shouldst take them out of the world, but that thou shouldst keep them from the evil one. * 16 They are not of the world, even as I am not of the world. 17 Sanctify them in the truth; thy word is truth. 18 As thou didst send me into the world, so I have sent them into the world. 19 And for their sake I consecrate myself, that they also may be consecrated in truth.

Gal 1 11:11"For I would have you know, brethren, that the gospel which was preached by me is not man’s * gospel. 12 For I did not receive it from man, nor was I taught it, but it came through a revelation of Jesus Christ.

1 Peter 4:17 For the time has come for judgment to begin with the household of God; and if it begins with us, what will be the end of those who do not obey the gospel of God?

Eph. 3:7 Of this gospel I was made a minister according to the gift of God’s grace which was given me by the working of his power. 8 To me, though I am the very least of all the saints, this grace was given, to preach to the Gentiles the unsearchable riches of Christ,

1 Thess 5:5 for our gospel came to you not only in word, but also in power and in the Holy Spirit and with full conviction. You know what kind of men we proved to be among you for your sake.

2 Thess 1:5 This is evidence of the righteous judgment of God, that you may be made worthy of the kingdom of God, for which you are suffering-- 6 since indeed God deems it just to repay with affliction those who afflict you, 7 and to grant rest with us to you who are afflicted, when the Lord Jesus is revealed from heaven with his mighty angels in flaming fire, 8* inflicting vengeance upon those who do not know God and upon those who do not obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus. 9 They shall suffer the punishment of eternal destruction and exclusion from the presence of the Lord and from the glory of his might, 10 when he comes on that day to be glorified in his saints, and to be marveled at in all who have believed, because our testimony to you was believed."

May God grant you mercy, wisdom and understanding friend:shrug:

 

[PJM]

=Hisalone;4004639]Everyone of its books (with the possible exception of one) was written by a Jew.

Purhaps friend that might be because Jesus was too “a Jew”

Love and prayers friend,

 

[oneGODoneCHURCH]

=Hisalone;4004639]Everyone of its books (with the possible exception of one) was written by a Jew.

The Gospel of ST Luke and the Acts of the Apostles both written by ST. Luke are not written by Jews. Luke was a Greek.

 

[Hisalone]

The Gospel of ST Luke and the Acts of the Apostles both written by ST. Luke are not written by Jews. Luke was a Greek.

Do you feel better?

 

[Hisalone]

Purhaps friend that might be because Jesus was too “a Jew”

Love and prayers friend,

Salvation is from the Catholics.

oh sorry Salvation is from the Jews.

 

[Hisalone]

The 1st century church was devoid of Luther’s practices and customs. There was no doctines of, Justification by faith, sacramental union, the priesthood is universal, no visible Church,and sola scripture. All these doctrines were made up by Luther. I know it is hard for you to come to terms with that. Your beliefs are nothing like that of the 1st century church.

The Gospel of Jesus Christ is really really simple not a complicated like 16th century Catholicism.

 

[PerryJ]

I am amazed how people can continue to ignore historical facts. The Bible is Catholic and was written by Catholics. Note the term Catholic did not exist until 107; however, the mass is today as it was then. The Didache clearly supports Catholicism.

If one reads the early Church Fathers everyone of them was Catholic in belief. Protestants can cut and past all they want to of the early Church Father writings; however, if one reads their message in totality they are Catholic.

The statement that the authors of the Bible were Jewish is a red herring. The first Catholic’s were Jewish just as Jesus was Jewish. St. Paul did not begin his mission till some years later. It is silly to state that the first first christians could not be Catholic because they were Jewish. Clearly one could be both and were both.

I will leave this thread as it is a waste of time to teach people that refuse to read anything. For all of our separated brothers, remember one thing. When Jesus came to this world there were two Bibles and two beliefs. After 1,500 years the Devil tricked us into having two Bibles and tens of thousand of beliefs. Just as he did before. It is a shame that people do not read and understand the story of Babel. Man’s lack of humility created the Protestant schism. I find it most interesting how Protestants believe they are smart enough to understand God’s will all by themselves. It doesn’t matter that there are tens of thousands of people all professing they know God’s will and none of it matches.

To debate this is plain silly. The historical evidence is overwhelming.

I have not been on this site for sometime; however, the Catholicity of the early Christians have been proven to Hisalone many times. We are all on a different path to Christ and when Christ is ready he will open his eyes to this fact. Until then there is little we can do.

God bless everyone!

 

[CWBetts]

The bible is Gods book to mankind entrusted to the Jews and followed by men of good will worldwide despite their religious affiliation.
Catholics have tried to replace Jews as Gods chosen people—heresy.
Now they want to claim the Jewish book as their own. Pretty petty behavious in my opinion.

I know I’m coming in late on this thread, But seriously, you can’t resist attacking Catholicism any way you can can you sheesh! Catholicism is the fullness of the Jewish faith, so yes, the Bible IS a Catholic book.

 

[oneGODoneCHURCH]

Do you feel better?

I did not feel bad to start with.
you seem to know so much about the origin of the Bible yet did not seem aware that those two Books were written by a Greek convert of St Paul’s.

I have a suggestion. Stop drinking the kool-aid, do a lot of praying and read the Bible, the writings for the 1st, 2nd, and 3dr century Fathers. then read the Catechism of the Catholic Church.You will also want to do some study of history outside of what they are telling you in your denomination. If you do these things you will see that the Church started By the Apostles is what today and for the last 2000 years has been called the Catholic Church part of which is now also found in what is Orthodox Churches.
Now bear with me here I will go slow. The reason that many try to say that the Church invented things in the Middle Ages some 6 to 8 hundred years ago is was up till that time many of the things had not needed to be written down and declared doctrine. as they had not been questioned. But once a heretic arose and began to led people astray the Church ten had to write is down so people would know exactly what was the true teaching.

As for the Old testament until I believe it was around 70 or 90 AD there was no cannon of Jewish Scripture. It depended on what group and or area you lived in and were as to what books you held as scripture. For example the Sadducee did not view books out side of the five books of Moses on the same level as the books of Moses and would not consider some of the prophets at all. Yet other groups held that what we refer to the Septuagint as the cannon so we can not look at our Jewish brethren for what is and is not to be in what we call the Old Testament. It was the Bishops of the Catholic Church in the 3 and 4 that guided by the Holy Ghost made that determination and for anyone one 1400 years later to say differently and remove portions of the cannon and to say that it was Not the Catholic Church Guided by the Holy Ghost with the Authority given by Christ is a great error.

 

[CWBetts]

The Gospel of Jesus Christ is really really simple not a complicated like 16th century Catholicism.

It is no use asking for a simple religion. Nothing real is simple. Even this desk in front of me is appears simple but if you to were to ask a bichemist about the chemical composition, or a physicist to explain how photons interact with the eye you would see it is indeed very complex— C. S. Lewis

 

[jmcrae]

It is no use asking for a simple religion. Nothing real is simple. Even this desk in front of me is appears simple but if you to were to ask a bichemist about the chemical composition, or a physicist to explain how photons interact with the eye you would see it is indeed very complex— C. S. Lewis

I would suspect a simple religion of being man-made, actually, since God has a tendency towards complexity - there’s nothing “simple” about anything else that God has created.

Why would His religion be less complex than His Creation?

 

[Bill_Pick]

Salvation is from the Catholics.

oh sorry Salvation is from the Jews.

I have seen many Cathloic bigots on these froums, but Hisalone has got to get first place, He has post more statements that are not right and misinform then I have every seen on any board.
THE SCRIPTURA BY HISALONE OR THE LUTHER,

 

[PJM]

=Hisalone;5566771]Salvation is from the Catholics.

oh sorry Salvation is from the Jews.

Sooo very close to truth

Salvation is through Christ who is Jewish, and at His Mandate it FlOWS though the ONLY Church founded by Christ, which happened to ahve at the time Jewish management. So kinda sorta:thumbsup:

Love and prayers

 

[Hisalone]

I guess you guys have never read this passage.

John 4:22 (New King James Version)
22 You worship what you do not know; we know what we worship, for salvation is of the Jews.

 

[Bill_Pick]

I guess you guys have never read this passage.

John 4:22 (New King James Version)
22 You worship what you do not know; we know what we worship, for salvation is of the Jews.

Jesus saith to her: Woman, believe me, that the hour cometh, when you shall neither on this mountain, not in Jerusalem, adore the Father. 22 You adore that which you know not: we adore that which we know; for salvation is of the Jews. 23 But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true adorers shall adore the Father in spirit and in truth. For the Father also seeketh such to adore him. 24 God is a spirit; and they that adore him, must adore him in spirit and in truth. 25 The woman saith to him: I know that the Messias cometh (who is called Christ). Therefore, when he is come, he will tell us all things

 

[Hisalone]

Jesus saith to her: Woman, believe me, that the hour cometh, when you shall neither on this mountain, not in Jerusalem, adore the Father. 22 You adore that which you know not: we adore that which we know; for salvation is of the Jews. 23 But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true adorers shall adore the Father in spirit and in truth. For the Father also seeketh such to adore him. 24 God is a spirit; and they that adore him, must adore him in spirit and in truth. 25 The woman saith to him: I know that the Messias cometh (who is called Christ). Therefore, when he is come, he will tell us all things

So then why all the hate in post#633?

 

[Bill_Pick]

So then why all the hate in post#633?

Hisalone I hate to be the one to tell you this but truth is not hate;

 

[Hisalone]

Hisalone I hate to be the one to tell you this but truth is not hate;

 

[Hisalone]

I would suspect a simple religion of being man-made, actually, since God has a tendency towards complexity - there’s nothing “simple” about anything else that God has created.

Why would His religion be less complex than His Creation?

God loves the simple minded as much as he does the intellecural. The gospel of Christ is quite simple, yet it is deep. Jesus Christ who is God in the flesh died on the cross and rose in three days. When He was crucified He took our sins on Himself so that we might be righteous and approach God.