Why the Bishop for Confirmation?

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I have always wondered (well not always), why is the Bishop of the Diocese the main minister of Confirmation. It isn’t necessary because I was Confirmed by a priest (now a Monsignor and a good friend of mine) that the Bishop sent. Why doesn’t the Bishop just give permission to the pastor of a parish to Confirm?

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I have always wondered (well not always), why is the Bishop of the Diocese the main minister of Confirmation. It isn’t necessary because I was Confirmed by a priest (now a Monsignor and a good friend of mine) that the Bishop sent. Why doesn’t the Bishop just give permission to the pastor of a parish to Confirm?

Thank You,
ajpirc
From the very beginning the Bishop was the one who administered Baptism and Confirmation. When it became impossible to be there for all baptisms the Bishop appointed priests to do them but retained the perogative of confirming those who had been baptized.

At present the priest is the ordinary minister of confirmation only when he confirms a baby after an emergency baptism and when he brings baptized Christians into full communion or baptizes adults. The Bishop remains the ordinary minister of Confirmation when the sacrament is administered to Catholics who were baptized as infants.

Sometimes the diocese is so vast that the Bishop will delegate that responsibility to the priest of a specific parish for logistical reasons - in our diocese one parish requires that the bishop travel 3 days to make connections to fly there and once there it’s not unknown for him to be weathered in for a week or conversely to not get in at all. It’s not rare for him to simply delegate the responsibility to the priest who’s there, particularly if he’s unable to get in, rather than make the kids wait longer.

He has also delegated to our pastor on the odd occasion when a child who’d prepared for confirmation was unable to be present on the day the Bishop came to town (in one case the family had a trip to England booked months before the date for confirmation was set).
 
In the Oriental and Eastern Catholic Churches, the ancient tradition is that the Priest is the Ordinary minister of the Sacrament of Confirmation. However, the myron is blessed by the Bishop.
 
I believe that (correct me if I am wrong) in the Anglican churches, baptism is still always performed by a bishop.
 
I believe that (correct me if I am wrong) in the Anglican churches, baptism is still always performed by a bishop.
No. I’ve attended several baptisms in the Anglican Church, and like in the Catholic Church they are done by the Priest or the Deacon.
 
No. I’ve attended several baptisms in the Anglican Church, and like in the Catholic Church they are done by the Priest or the Deacon.
Okay; thanks for the clarification. I’ve never really been an Anglican!
 
Okay; thanks for the clarification. I’ve never really been an Anglican!
Anglican baptisms are pretty much the same as Catholic ones. There are a few differences, such as the number of allowed godparents (2 for us, 3 for Anglicans with 2 of the same gender as the child).
 
Anglican baptisms are pretty much the same as Catholic ones. There are a few differences, such as the number of allowed godparents (2 for us, 3 for Anglicans with 2 of the same gender as the child).
I see. I wonder if there is a special, unwritten rule for royalty that lets them as many godparents as they want (or rather, how many their parents or the state want)!
 
I see. I wonder if there is a special, unwritten rule for royalty that lets them as many godparents as they want (or rather, how many their parents or the state want)!
I guess they, like us, can call any number of people godparents, the Church will recognize 2 , or in the Anglican case, 3.

Our pastor is Philipino. In his tradition the family names a dozen or more godparents. Only 2 are recognized by the Church.
 
I guess they, like us, can call any number of people godparents, the Church will recognize 2 , or in the Anglican case, 3.

Our pastor is Philipino. In his tradition the family names a dozen or more godparents. Only 2 are recognized by the Church.
Now I understand! “Godparent” can be purely a position of honor!
 
Now I understand! “Godparent” can be purely a position of honor!
Let me put it this way: the Church doesn’t recognize a non-Catholic baptized Christian as a godparent/sponsor but as a Christian witness. I’ve never had a Catholic family understand the distinction, no matter how much we tried to explain. To them, they’ll always be the child’s godparent, regardless of what the Church says. It’s a small step from that to 10 people as godparents regardless of what the Church says.
 
Let me put it this way: the Church doesn’t recognize a non-Catholic baptized Christian as a godparent/sponsor but as a Christian witness. I’ve never had a Catholic family understand the distinction, no matter how much we tried to explain. To them, they’ll always be the child’s godparent, regardless of what the Church says. It’s a small step from that to 10 people as godparents regardless of what the Church says.
O-kay. I am grateful that you explained that.
 
I have always wondered (well not always), why is the Bishop of the Diocese the main minister of Confirmation. It isn’t necessary because I was Confirmed by a priest (now a Monsignor and a good friend of mine) that the Bishop sent. Why doesn’t the Bishop just give permission to the pastor of a parish to Confirm?

Thank You,
ajpirc
Acts of the Apostles 8:9-17
”A man named Simon used to practice magic 4 in the city and astounded the people of Samaria, claiming to be someone great. All of them, from the least to the greatest, paid attention to him, saying, “This man is the ‘Power of God’ that is called ‘Great.’” They paid attention to him because he had astounded them by his magic for a long time, but once they began to believe Philip as he preached the good news about the kingdom of God and the name of Jesus Christ, men and women alike were baptized. Even Simon himself believed and, after being baptized, became devoted to Philip; and when he saw the signs and mighty deeds that were occurring, he was astounded. Now when the apostles in Jerusalem heard that Samaria had accepted the word of God, they sent them Peter and John, who went down and prayed for them, that they might receive the holy Spirit, for it had not yet fallen upon any of them; they had only been baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus. Then they laid hands on them and they received the Holy Spirit.”

Philip, one of the first 7 deacons, came here to Samaria and preached the word of the Messiah, and many came to believe and were baptized by him. The apostles hear of what’s going on and they come in and confirm these people in the Spirit. From the very beginning this is how it was.

The bishop does authorize normally the parish priest to perform the sacrement of confirmation at the Easter Vigil Mass. Other than that, only in grave circumstances can the priest administer this sacrement.
 
Our pastor is Philipino. In his tradition the family names a dozen or more godparents. Only 2 are recognized by the Church.
Now I understand! “Godparent” can be purely a position of honor!
Its actually more cultural than religious. It is done because in our culture we do not want other people to be offended that they are not the ones chosen. I know I’m very proud to be Filipino (by the way Phemie, thats the way you spell it ;)) but I acknowledge some nuances in our culture that I myself really hate.

The other thing I hate, with baptisms and weddings and birthdays, you have to invite everyone you are in constant contact with. Like your coworkers who aren’t really your close personal friends. Especially your boss. Otherwise they take it personally. Ugh! :mad:
 
I have always wondered (well not always), why is the Bishop of the Diocese the main minister of Confirmation. It isn’t necessary because I was Confirmed by a priest (now a Monsignor and a good friend of mine) that the Bishop sent. Why doesn’t the Bishop just give permission to the pastor of a parish to Confirm?

Thank You,
ajpirc
the Bishop can delegate any priest to confirm, but the privilege must be used for the specific candidates for whom it has been given. The point is the Bishop is the ordinary minister and the delegation must come through him. In the Eastern churches this is evidenced in the fact that although the priest confirms (chrismates) he must use the oil blessed by the Bishop. It is the Bishop who confirms the faith of the baptized, an action he does, not one which the candidate does.

The priest who baptizes an adult (over age 7) convert must confirm those whom he baptizes at the same time. the priest confers all sacraments with the permission and delegation of the bishop, actually, it is called having “faculties.”
 
Its actually more cultural than religious. It is done because in our culture we do not want other people to be offended that they are not the ones chosen. I know I’m very proud to be Filipino (by the way Phemie, thats the way you spell it ;)) but I acknowledge some nuances in our culture that I myself really hate.

The other thing I hate, with baptisms and weddings and birthdays, you have to invite everyone you are in constant contact with. Like your coworkers who aren’t really your close personal friends. Especially your boss. Otherwise they take it personally. Ugh! :mad:
Hello, Constantine. Yeah, I see what you are saying!
 
Now I understand! “Godparent” can be purely a position of honor!
Many people choose to see it as only an honour, but I would see it (even those “Godparents” not listed on the baptismal certificate) as having a real responsibility to see the child raised as a good Catholic.
 
Many people choose to see it as only an honour, but I would see it (even those “Godparents” not listed on the baptismal certificate) as having a real responsibility to see the child raised as a good Catholic.
That’s true.
 
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