Why the catholic gospel is different than the christian Protestant gospel

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It is interesting to read on this forum when catholics get offended .when Christians Protestant recognized . the difference.
  1. Catholics need a priest for confession
  2. Taught the real presence
    3 pray to Mary and others
Non catholics don’t need these beliefs to have a relationship with God or Jesus.

This difference seems to create a rift .
Catholic bashing because praying to Mary

Or confessing to a priest.

Yes there are things that seem weird in every religious system?
 
I don’t understand what point you’re trying to make. No, you don’t necessarily need to have a relationship with Mary or the saints to have a relationship with Jesus, but I don’t know anyone who is arguing that point. What’s being argued is that, if you don’t confess to a priest, receive Jesus in the Eucharist, etcetera- if you’re not Catholic, your relationship is imperfect because you’re not maintaining that relationship through the means Jesus instituted.
 
Lutherans and Anglicans believe in the Real Presence in one form or another. It isn’t accurate to say that all of Protestantism rejects the Real Presence. Usually, in an American context, when we hear people say “Protestants believe this or that…” they really mean American Evangelicalism… and even then you can’t paint with one brush.
 
John 20: 23

It’s about confession. He was speaking to the Apostles, the first Priests.
BIble only people completely ignore what’s in there when it doesn’t’ suit them.
 
And people don’t interpret things to suit their own beliefs?? NO, tell me that isn’t true!
 
Well, the Catholic Gospel is the gospel, whether you like this fact or not. There’s only one gospel, the Gospel of Jesus Christ, if you don’t believe me read Saint Paul’s letters.
 
mjp said:
It is interesting to read on this forum when catholics get offended .when Christians Protestant recognized . the difference.
  1. Catholics need a priest for confession
  2. Taught the real presence
    3 pray to Mary and others
Non catholics don’t need these beliefs to have a relationship with God or Jesus.

This difference seems to create a rift .
Catholic bashing because praying to Mary

Or confessing to a priest.

Yes there are things that seem weird in every religious system?
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You seem to misunderstanding a couple of things.

#1 - Non-Catholics do need those things, they just don’t realize it. From a Catholic perspective, what you’re saying is like a person saying they don’t need water because they don’t believe in dehydration. It doesn’t matter what they believe, if they don’t drink they’ll die.

#2 - The Catholic Church’s belief in these things isn’t what creates the rift. The rift was created back in the 1,500’s when a scrupulous monk thought he knew better than the collective theologians of 1500 years of Catholic thought, study, and practice.

While, strictly speaking, it’s true you can have a relationship with God without these things, it is an incomplete relationship, lacking in much of what Christ desires for it. Take confessing to a priest, for example. Jesus gave us that as a gift, not to impose on us, but to free us. When a Catholic hears those words from a priest, “I absolve you of your sins…” they are forgiven. It is not a subjective feeling, it’s not a hope, it’s not a belief. It’s a concrete reality born of the nature of the sacrament. In Protestantism, you can believe you’re forgiven all you want (and I sincerely hope that you are,) but there are no assurances. You won’t actually know until you come face to face with God. If, for some reason, you weren’t forgiven when you thought you were, it’s too late at that point.

The same is true of all of these other things you find confusing / off-putting. They are gifts of Christ to His Church to help us on our path to salvation.

As for why they’re different, it’s because some people thought they knew better, and started removing books more than a millennium after the canon of scripture had been settled. (The official list of Biblical Canon was determined in 313a.d., and remained constant in the western world until the 1500’s, with the second or third edition of the King Jame’s Bible. It wasn’t Catholic Bibles that changed, as many people like to purport. We have more than enough evidence of that.)
 
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I cannot understand why people keep insisting that Catholics “need” Mary prayers, a priest, etc in order to “have a relationship with God or Jesus”. I have had a relationship with God and Jesus as long as I can remember, which is about back to age 3 when my mother was teaching me prayers and who Jesus was and so forth. I cannot remember a time when I did NOT know who they were and have them in my life, even when I was “away” from Church, priest, and sacraments temporarily. No one in my family, including myself, ever had to ask a priest to help us get ahold of God.

As for Mary prayers, it has been stated over and over that rosaries, or going “to Jesus through Mary” is not required, but it is something many of us like to do. Some who post here seem to think that if I pray a rosary, I somehow feel incapable of talking directly to God or Jesus, when in fact I do that also and in addition I read scripture for a half hour about once a week and trying to increase the time.

I get annoyed because no matter how many times we repeat the above over and over, people keep stating the above baloney like if I don’t suddenly “go Protestant”, I won’t have a good direct relationship with God. I find that all of the things I do including talking directly to God, Bible reading, rosaries and Mary devotions, and the sacraments enhance my relationship with God in special, unique ways, like adding ingredients and preparation methods to create a great meal rather than just eating an unadorned piece of heated food.

This stuff about Catholics “needing” this and that is just like all the posts complaining about how we “pray to statues”. It’s painfully obvious that no one making these posts is interested in reading the replies explaining exactly what it is Catholics do and th errors in the original post. I try very hard to stay patient but honestly we have been over all of this many times.
 
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Non catholics don’t need these beliefs to have a relationship with God or Jesus.
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I’m responding to you over a forum and, as such, I have a sort of relationship with you.

But it’s not a very good one.

There’s lots of things I need to know about you, and you about me, in order for us to have a sincere and meaningful friendship.

Many Protestants have a good relationship with Christ, but this is not because of their ignorance, but rather is in spite of it and because of Christ’s mercy. How much deeper they could go remains to be seen, and mercy does not presuppose a lack of error in its object.
 
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I believe in the real presence of Christ during Communion. I don’t really do the Hail Marys even though I’m not really against it.

I’m odd in the sense that I like to take bits and pieces from different Christian denominations as long as they line up with Scripture, and the bits that don’t quite line up with Scripture I throw out.

I believe that Faith in Christ equals Salvation and works comes naturally after. The other stuff I don’t fret over. I’m not a Catholic yet I’m not a Protestant I’m just me someone who loves my brothers and sisters in the Lord. I will never choose a side, I love everyone. I believe that no one denomination is the one true denomination, the only truth Is Christ and we are ALL a part of the body of Christ.
 
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Non catholics don’t need these beliefs to have a relationship with God
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I could only have the Torah (first five books of the bible) and still have a relationship with God. Or I could not have them at all, like Abraham, and still have a relationship with God. But once I am given the Torah or the New Testament or baptism, I will be happy with them.
 
mjp said:
It is interesting to read on this forum when catholics get offended .when Christians Protestant recognized . the difference.
  1. Catholics need a priest for confession
  2. Taught the real presence
    3 pray to Mary and others
Non catholics don’t need these beliefs to have a relationship with God…
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Lutherans and Anglicans confess to a priest
Lutherans and most Anglicans believe in the real presence.
Many Anglicans can and do invoke the saints and the Blessed Virgin, though I don’t see what invocation of the saints does to make the gospel different.

Anyway, the thread falls into the category of generalizations about Protestants are usually filled with inaccuracies
 
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It is interesting to read on this forum …
  1. Catholics need a priest for confession
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John makes a distinction between gravity of sins and how they are and are not forgiven.


If one can’t pray for mortal sin to be forgiven, how is that sin to be forgiven?

Jesus ordained His apostles to forgive or retain sin,


Ask yourself, why did Jesus do that if all one has to do is pray to God for forgiveness? Jesus is giving us His way to forgive grave sin, if one confesses their sin to a properly ordained priest in apostolic succession.

mortal sins have as a consequence, Hell if one dies in them.

Examples:

Titus 3:10-11 Douay-Rheims Bible, Titus Chapter 3
Ephesians 5:3-5 Douay-Rheims Bible, Ephesians Chapter 5
Hebrews 10:23-27 # SEARCH heb 10 missing Eucharist deliberately on Sunday, no sacrifice for sin for THEM but a fiery judgement that consumes the adversaries of God.
Colossians 3: 5-6 # SEARCH col 3
Revelation 21:8 # SEARCH rev 21
2 Peter 2:4-22 Douay-Rheims Bible, 2 Peter Chapter 2 this also refutes the notion of universalism. The idea that all are saved in the end

2 Thes 1: 6 # SEARCH 2 thes 1

That is what mortal sin is. And John says he doesn’t recommend praying for the forgiveness of mortal sin
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Because Jesus taught it. And tied salvation to it.
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Because she is OUR mother also.
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Non catholics don’t need these beliefs to have a relationship with God or Jesus.

This difference seems to create a rift .
Catholic bashing because praying to Mary

Or confessing to a priest.

Yes there are things that seem weird in every religious system?
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Non-Catholics (specifically Protestants) don’t have these beliefs, because they aren’t in the Church Jesus established on Peter and those in union with him.

So I need to give you this information. What you do with it is your business.

Division from Our Lord’s Church carries cataclysmic consequences once someone knows their situation and doesn’t end their division.

Romans 16:17-20 Douay-Rheims Bible, Romans Chapter 16,
Galatians 5:19-21 Douay-Rheims Bible, Galatians Chapter 5
both use the same Greek word [διχοστασίαι,] for dissension / division [http://bibleapps.com/greek/1370.htm] And the consequence for that sin? _ Paul says “I warn you, as I warned you before, that those who do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God”_. IOW they go to hell when they die

IOW that sin (based on its consequences) is a mortal sin, and if one dies with any mortal sin on their soul, they won’t be going to heaven. NOT MY WORDS, it’s right out of scripture.
 
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