Why the priest in my diocese dont do this

[viktor_aleksndr]

ive read the General Instruction on Roman Missal (GIRM) and it is stated that during Credo all should make a bow at the lines where Jesus Christ became man. And when the name of Jesus Christ is mentoned in Gloria.

I observe that all the priest and faithful in my diocese and many of the priest in my country doesnt bow at these lines. Could it be because we use the Apostles Creed and not the Nicene Creed? but i think the rationale for the bowing is to respect Jesus when He became man…

I think something is wrong with the Catholic Church in my country.

 

[rcn]

viktor aleksndr:

I think something is wrong with the Catholic Church in my country.

You judge the rightness and wrongness of the entire Church in your country, based on how well minor things like bowing are done? That’s just not right.

 

[chicago]

It’s probably just a simple lack of attentiveness and dedicated effort.

BTW, the Apostles Creed generally ought not be substituted for the Nicene Creed.

 

[EddieArent]

rcn:

You judge the rightness and wrongness of the entire Church in your country, based on how well minor things like bowing are done? That’s just not right.

It’s not minor. It’s an instruction. The genuflection should be brought back (with a better translation of the Credo or use the Latin) to make it obvious.

 

[viktor_aleksndr]

well im saying that the church in here is right or wrong… its just that i think the Roman Catholic Church stated some rules that should be followed by every church in communion with the roman catholic church…

I am not against the Roman Catholic Church in my country(Philippines) but i am just sad that this small things are not taught in the faithful which has a great importance in adoration of GOD.

one more thing that the priest doesnt bother to teach is the Cathechism… i think this is the reason why many catholics here are looking for other denominations because they feel they are lost searching for the right religion. And i am very sad that these people who transferred to other religion didnt knew the greatness of our Church…

 

[KBarn]

rcn:

You judge the rightness and wrongness of the entire Church in your country, based on how well minor things like bowing are done? That’s just not right.

The GIRM must be followed so that their is unity in worship, that we may be one, as Christ prayed. I think that NOT bowing is evidence of how divided we are, even when it comes to minor things like bowing. If we can’t do simple things like bowing, how unified are we?

 

[rcn]

EddieArent:

It’s not minor. It’s an instruction. The genuflection should be brought back

Whether one bows or not, or to what degree, is way way down the list of Important Things. And you’re going to argue that oh my, that’s not even good enough? Absurd.

Regardless, to use observations about who bows and who doesn’t that justify slandering the Church in an entire country (“I think something is wrong with the Catholic Church in my country.”) shows an intense lack of perspective.

 

[EddieArent]

It’s a major issue since it shows respect for what we are praying along with the tradition established in the Latin rite for this moment. It may seem little, but give these folks an inch and then they take a yard (from no need to genuflect to these words, then it leads to no need to kneel during the Eucharistic prayer/Canon, etc.). It’s a humbling exercise which unfortunitely has been lost for the most part in the new Mass.

 

[catholicanarchy]

rcn:

Whether one bows or not, or to what degree, is way way down the list of Important Things. And you’re going to argue that oh my, that’s not even good enough? Absurd.

Regardless, to use observations about who bows and who doesn’t that justify slandering the Church in an entire country (“I think something is wrong with the Catholic Church in my country.”) shows an intense lack of perspective.

Amen. Bowing/not bowing is a minor thing. There are bigger things you should worry about, like how well the Church in one’s country speaks out on behalf of the poor and the oppressed. You know, living the Gospel.

 

[Friar_David_O.Carm]

chicago:

It’s probably just a simple lack of attentiveness and dedicated effort.

BTW, the Apostles Creed generally ought not be substituted for the Nicene Creed.

For Masses with Children the Apostles Creed is acceptable also in Canada, their instructions (which have been approved by the Vatican) state that the norm is the Apostles Creed.

 

[SueG]

Viktor-
I understand…we have the same problem here in the USA as well. I don’t think it’s intentional, though. Years ago (before I watched EWTN) the people in my church began holding hands during the Our Father, so I did too, thinking it was a new rule. Pretty soon, the whole church was doing it.

Now that I know the proper instructions, my family and I have become the “instructors”. Try to do as we do…sit up front in church and the rest of the sheep will follow…eventually.

BAAAAA.

 

[rcn]

EddieArent:

It’s a major issue since it shows respect for what we are praying along with the tradition established in the Latin rite for this moment

Why do you let such minor matters offend you?

Bowing is a bit of a “fad” in my parish. During the creed, it almost seems as if there’s a competition to see who can bow first (some people start to double over 3 or 4 lines before the appointed place), and who can bow deepest. It looks silly. It’s a fad and I predict it will go away.

Regardless of one’s feelings on the matter, why can’t you see that it is simply not just cause for a statement such as “I think something is wrong with the Catholic Church in my country.” ??

 

[msproule]

rcn:

Bowing is a bit of a “fad” in my parish…and I predict it will go away.

Prior to the promulgation of the Missal of Pope Paul VI, genuflecting was the norm. God willing, the “fad” (your word, not mine) of a profound bow will be replaced with something less trivial, such as a genuflection.

rcn:

Regardless of one’s feelings on the matter, why can’t you see that it is simply not just cause for a statement such as “I think something is wrong with the Catholic Church in my country.” ??

Why are you dwelling on this statement? Are you seeking an apology on behalf of his country? I do not understand.

Perhaps it was a poor choice of words. Maybe it was intentional use of hyperbole. Why do you let such minor matters offend you? (Your words again)

 

[mercygate]

viktor aleksndr:

ive read the General Instruction on Roman Missal (GIRM) and it is stated that during Credo all should make a bow at the lines where Jesus Christ became man. And when the name of Jesus Christ is mentoned in Gloria.

I observe that all the priest and faithful in my diocese and many of the priest in my country doesnt bow at these lines. Could it be because we use the Apostles Creed and not the Nicene Creed? but i think the rationale for the bowing is to respect Jesus when He became man…

I think something is wrong with the Catholic Church in my country.

I presume you do it, of course.

My pastor, the liturgical coordinator, my spouse and I are the only people in my parish who do this. HOWEVER, there will be a class for Extraordinary Ministers of Holy Communion next month, and they will be instructed to do this . . . . Step by baby step.

 

[Scotty_PGH]

rcn:

Why do you let such minor matters offend you?

Bowing is a bit of a “fad” in my parish. During the creed, it almost seems as if there’s a competition to see who can bow first (some people start to double over 3 or 4 lines before the appointed place), and who can bow deepest. It looks silly. It’s a fad and I predict it will go away.

No - as the OP stated, bowing at the moments he mentions is an instruction. Something like holding hands during the Our Father is a fad. You are totally backwards on this.

 

[Brendan]

chicago:

BTW, the Apostles Creed generally ought not be substituted for the Nicene Creed.

Which Creed used is up to the discretion of the Bishop’s Conference of his country, subject to approval of the Vatican.

Canada, for example, has the Apostle’s Creed is the Norm, while the US has the Nicean Creed as the Norm.

Assuming that Viktor is not American, and we do not know what Creed is Normative for his country.

 

[Ignatius]

catholicanarchy:

*Whether one bows or not, or to what degree, is way way down the list of Important Things. And you’re going to argue that oh my, that’s not even good enough? Absurd.

Regardless, to use observations about who bows and who doesn’t that justify slandering the Church in an entire country (“I think something is wrong with the Catholic Church in my country.”) shows an intense lack of perspective.*

Amen. Bowing/not bowing is a minor thing. There are bigger things you should worry about, like how well the Church in one’s country speaks out on behalf of the poor and the oppressed. You know, living the Gospel.

Liturgical abuse is a serious problem because some do not full realize that the Divine Liturgy/Mass is are not a protestant service.
Jesus Christ is truely and fully present, body and blood, soul and divinity during the Liturgy.

I think that anyone who watched the funeral Mass for HH JPII and the installation Mass for HH Pope Gregory VI illustrate what a holy and beautiful thing a properly ordered Liturgy is supposed to be.

 

[msproule]

Ignatius:

Liturgical abuse is a serious problem because some do not full realize that the Divine Liturgy/Mass is are not a protestant service.
Jesus Christ is truely and fully present, body and blood, soul and divinity during the Liturgy.

I think that anyone who watched the funeral Mass for HH JPII and the installation Mass for HH Pope Gregory VI illustrate what a holy and beautiful thing a properly ordered Liturgy is supposed to be.

I can honestly say that there seems to be a direct connection between the so-called “little things” and “big things”. In my experience, parishes that adhere to the Church’s liturgical norms and show great reverence during Mass (through silence, posture, music, etc.) happen to be the most active parishes when it comes to community work, fostering vocations, Catholic education, etc. It is not a coincidence.

Furthermore, there are obvious connections between multiple “little things” within a parish or even a Diocese. From what I have witnessed, parishes that do not instruct on the normative postures, gestures, etc. also have lay “homilies”, invalid matter, liturgical dancers, and National Catholic Reporter subscriptions.

P.S. I believe Ignatius meant to write Benedict XVI instead of Gregory VI! I doubt any of us witnessed the installation of the latter, although I am sure it was beautiful.

 

[catholicanarchy]

Ignatius:

Liturgical abuse is a serious problem because some do not full realize that the Divine Liturgy/Mass is are not a protestant service.
Jesus Christ is truely and fully present, body and blood, soul and divinity during the Liturgy.

I think that anyone who watched the funeral Mass for HH JPII and the installation Mass for HH Pope Gregory VI illustrate what a holy and beautiful thing a properly ordered Liturgy is supposed to be.

So depending on whether or not someone bows might be the difference between a person’s awareness of whether he or she is at a Catholic or a Protestant liturgy? Please tell me you are kidding.