Why "transgender" is a lie

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CAIS is estimated as occurring at rates of 1 in 20,000 births. It is only one disease out of several that can cause similar problems. Transgenderism is certainly more frequent, but still relatively uncommon with many estimates around the 1 in 2000 area. So it seems pretty likely that it applies to a much greater portion than 1% of transgenders. You are making blind assumptions about people and their state of being when the research and understanding of the subject by people at the top of the field is still considered flimsy at best.
PS,

This CAIS has nothing to do with transgender and is a non-sequitor…they are not to be spoken of in the same sentence. No medical professional lumps this with Gender Dysphoria…this data is not relevant to anything except faulty rationalization that this equates to Transgender and it does not. I suggest you rethink your concept of Transgender if you believe that this is relevant.
 
Hi Faithdancer,

In my part of the world we have a saying which goes like A fed person cannot understand a hungry person. You’re a perfect example of this.

To use this analogy, you’ve never felt hunger, so you believe that it doesn’t really exist (because why would God allow you to be hungry?!) so those who are hungry have must have deluded themselves.
How true!!!👍:bowdown2::bowdown2::bowdown::bowdown:
 
PS,

This CAIS has nothing to do with transgender and is a non-sequitor…they are not to be spoken of in the same sentence. No medical professional lumps this with Gender Dysphoria…this data is not relevant to anything except faulty rationalization that this equates to Transgender and it does not. I suggest you rethink your concept of Transgender if you believe that this is relevant.
Who said so? That is your opinion that you have a right to. I know plenty who disagree.
 
Who said so? That is your opinion that you have a right to. I know pelnty who disagree.
CAIS is a physical syndrome with objective diagnostic criteria.

What are the objective diagnostic criteria to declare that an individual is “transgender”?
 
Hi Faithdancer,

In my part of the world we have a saying which goes like A fed person cannot understand a hungry person. You’re a perfect example of this.

To use this analogy, you’ve never felt hunger, so you believe that it doesn’t really exist (because why would God allow you to be hungry?!) so those who are hungry have must have deluded themselves.
This is a great analogy. It points to an attitude that pervades this forum. Definitely one to think about.
 
Who said so? That is your opinion that you have a right to. I know plenty who disagree.
SP,

The DSM IV…
C. The disturbance is not concurrent with physical intersex condition.
and lets not forget that you can add this to the syndrome as well…
Specify if (for sexually mature individuals):
Sexually Attracted to Males
Sexually Attracted to Females
Sexually Attracted to Both
Sexually Attracted to Neither
CAIS is not Gender Dysphoria according to the DSM IV…
Case Rep Obstet Gynecol. 2013;2013:232696. doi: 10.1155/2013/232696. Epub 2013 Feb 27.
Complete androgen insensitivity syndrome: a rare case of disorder of sex development.
Pizzo A, Laganà AS, Borrielli I, Dugo N.
SourceDepartment of Pediatric, Gynecological, Microbiological and Biomedical Sciences, University of Messina, Via C. Valeria 1, 98125 Messina, Italy.
Abstract
Androgen Insensitivity Syndrome (AIS) could be considered as a disease that causes resistance to androgens actions, influencing both the morphogenesis and differentiation of the body structures, and systems in which this hormone exerts its effects. It depends on an X-linked mutations in the Androgen Receptor (AR) gene that express a variety of phenotypes ranging from male infertility to completely normal female external genitalia. The clinical phenotypes of AIS could vary and be classified into three categories, as complete (CAIS), partial (PAIS), and mild (MAIS) forms, according to the severity of androgen resistance. We will describe a case of CAIS in a 16-year-old patient.
and
Archives of Sexual Behavior
August 2005, Volume 34, Issue 4, pp 411-421 Gender Dysphoria and Gender Change in Androgen Insensitivity or Micropenis
Tom Mazur Psy.D.
Abstract
This review article answers three questions relevant to the medical management and care of individuals born with complete androgen insensitivity syndrome (CAIS), partial androgen insensitivity syndrome (PAIS), or a micropenis: (1) Do any of these individuals reassign themselves from their initial gender assignment? (2) Do more reassign than the ones who do not? (3) Is there evidence of gender dysphoria in those who do not self-initiate reassignment? Reviewed were all articles on CAIS, PAIS, and micropenis cited in K. J. Zucker (1999) plus articles published through 2004. There were no documented cases of gender change in individuals with CAIS (N= 156 females) or micropenis (N= 89: 79 males, 10 females). Nine (9.1%) out of 99 individuals with PAIS changed gender. Thus, self-initiated gender reassignment was rare. Gender dysphoria also appears to be a rare occurrence. The best predictor of adult gender identity in CAIS, PAIS, and micropenis is initial gender assignment.
It is possible that the propaganda machine for the Homosexual has hijacked this disorder to substantiate their propaganda but it does not bear out in reality…

Rethink this to conform to the real world as noted…
 
CAIS is a physical syndrome with objective diagnostic criteria.

What are the objective diagnostic criteria to declare that an individual is “transgender”?
Monkey,

According to the DSM IV…
A A strong persistent cross-gender identification (not merely a desirefor any perceived cultural advantages of being the other sex). Inchildren, the disturbance is manifested by four (or more) of thefollowing:
Repeatedly stated desire to be, or insistence that he or she is, theother sex.
In boys, preference for cross-dressing or simulating female attire; Ingirls, insistence on wearing only stereotypical masculine clothing.
Strong and persistent preferences for cross-sex roles in make believeplay or persistent fantasies of being the other sex.
Intense desire to participate in the stereotypical games and pastimesof the other sex.
Strong preference for playmates of the other sex.
and
C. The disturbance is not concurrent with physical intersex condition.
This excludes the CAIS …
 
Show me where you find these genetic and biologic anomalies that meet your criteria, because they do not mee the DSM IV critieria…
Genetic and Biologic anomalies do not equate to Gender Dysphoria without these anomalies that wish, desire or preference…as noted by the DSM IV
You are incorrect…the DSM IV as noted above defines this, not me…if you want to go against the grain then where is it you get your information to say that I am arbitrarily doing anything except referencing the DSM IV…
The DSM IV…
CAIS is not Gender Dysphoria according to the DSM IV…
According to the DSM IV…
Coptic,

Earlier today, in another thread, you said:
One of the most important things you can do is reject the DSM IV and upcoming DSM V…you don’t have to believe anything it says…
Certainly I’m not the only one seeing a conflict here?
 
Coptic,

Earlier today, in another thread, you said:

Certainly I’m not the only one seeing a conflict here?
Kolbe,

I reject the DSM IV and DSM V, in fact I reject the entire notion of Gender Dysphoria…however to maintain a conversation, you have to enter the paradigm of the relevance of the discussion.

Why “transgender” is a lie…

Well first of all the DSM IV and V are Homossexual agenda driven
Believing that someone can wish anything that makes them other than what they are created for is nonsense…

To discuss anything you have to discuss it on the terms that those that believe that this is relevant has to be discussed in their terms…it is like language…

In order to discuss Protestant thought you have to know Protestant thought, understand Calvin, Luther, the history of the Bible…and even though I can discuss the beliefs, I don’t accept them and question them…as we know when discussing Sola Scriptura…

I can fold my hands and say…you are wrong, end of story…however if I know the paradigm and show the weakness of the paradigm then that causes someone to think…

Aquinas knew the opposition better than the opposition…and that is how he caused the opposition to abandon their faulty thinking…

I know the DSM as well as anyone. I know the paradigm of the 12 step religion of AA as well as anyone. That is how I am able to disagree and show the weakness of the paradigm…

You can’t convince anyone of anything unless you know what they know as well or better than they do or they remain unconvinced…

Do you know a better way?

It is my hope that others see the fallacy in thinking and start resisting and for that reason I posted…

forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=769113

**The Reformation for Secular Homosexual thinking **
The Reformation was marked by stating that the Church has abandoned the gospel and was apostate…it was for this reason that Calvin, Luther, etc separated from the authority of the Church.
In reverse, the Secular world has been garnered by the LGBT in the likes of the American Psychiatric Association, and all societies supporting their agenda.
We do not have to recognize any authority or writings of these named societies. As is the nature of thought the Reformation has begun…
Homosexual propaganda is based on no fact, no science and it is necessary to start providing evidence of lack of evidence…loud and clear:D
 
I reject the DSM IV and DSM V, in fact I reject the entire notion of Gender Dysphoria…however to maintain a conversation, you have to enter the paradigm of the relevance of the discussion.
That makes sense enough.
To discuss anything you have to discuss it on the terms that those that believe that this is relevant has to be discussed in their terms…it is like language…
Okay, you actually made me laugh out loud there. 😃 That sounds SO much like an argument I’ve made to you over and over and over, with regards to the word homosexual. You’re so right, it is like language!

We actually agree on something!!! Someone call the authorities!!!

Happy Easter, Coptic.
 
That makes sense enough.

Okay, you actually made me laugh out loud there. 😃 That sounds SO much like an argument I’ve made to you over and over and over, with regards to the word homosexual. You’re so right, it is like language!

We actually agree on something!!! Someone call the authorities!!!

Happy Easter, Coptic.
Kolbe,

Well then to you as well and I send you this…:hug3:
 
You didn’t discuss any scientific studies or offer a fleshed-out argument. I don’t know how successful you’re going to be at convincing anyone who disagrees with you, especially when there is established science on this matter. You might, however, get a round of applause from those who already agree with you. So if that’s what you were looking for then you might get it.

You sound angry about this. Am I wrong?
She is agery that many disagree with her and that there is such a issue. I her ideal world people are from a cookie cutter, and can’t be theur real selves!🤷
 
She is agery that many disagree with her and that there is such a issue. I her ideal world people are from a cookie cutter, and can’t be theur real selves!🤷
SP,

In the real world a man/XY that believes he is a woman, gets castrated, has the penis inverted and then has relations with a man and if those relations include sodomy then we have two men XY that are what they are, from the same mold, from the same bakery.
 
SP,

In the real world a man/XY that believes he is a woman, gets castrated, has the penis inverted and then has relations with a man and if those relations include sodomy then we have two men XY that are what they are, from the same mold, from the same bakery.
Gender issues asside you and I are from different bakeries from most people. believe me! You are more articulate than most people I know and I considered by most who know me personally to be very eccentric in many ways. You and I are not from a cookie cutter.👍
 
Gender issues asside you and I are from different bakeries from most people. believe me! You are more articulate than most people I know and I considered by most who know me personally to be very eccentric in many ways. You and I are not from a cookie cutter.👍
SP,

Eccentricities aside, XY=male, no matter how many hormones, no matter how much surgical mutilation, no matter how much therapy…better to live with depression wishing, desiring, prefering, believing hoping and working to accept creation than to gain the world and lose that for which you are created for.
 
SP,

Eccentricities aside, XY=male, no matter how many hormones, no matter how much surgical mutilation, no matter how much therapy…better to live with depression wishing, desiring, prefering, believing hoping and working to accept creation than to gain the world and lose that for which you are created for.
Thats just an opinion. I’m a better pewrson for society if Im not a depressed not functioning male , but as a well adjusted( to the sight of the eye) conttent female. One has to make sure theyr’e well before helping othders. Case in point. Theres a young lady who has cerebral pulsy who I give much help to for transportation as well as help in other ways. If I were in bed depressed I’d not be much help to her. Her family is major dysfunctional and wont help her get to anything like church of her mothly meeting with a preist. If I were forced to live as a male I’m be home depressed or maybe deceased of my own doing.🤷
 
Thats just an opinion. I’m a better pewrson for society if Im not a depressed not functioning male , but as a well adjusted( to the sight of the eye) conttent female. One has to make sure theyr’e well before helping othders. Case in point. Theres a young lady who has cerebral pulsy who I give much help to for transportation as well as help in other ways. If I were in bed depressed I’d not be much help to her. Her family is major dysfunctional and wont help her get to anything like church of her mothly meeting with a preist. If I were forced to live as a male I’m be home depressed or maybe deceased of my own doing.🤷
SP,

There is no discounting suffering and disability…

What is the greater disability…

temporal life with the hope of eternal life?

temporal life without the hope of eternal life?

Help me understand where it is that anyone believes that Christians are to escape suffering…
28And we know that God causes all things to work together for good to those who love God, to those who are called according to [His] purpose. 29For those whom He foreknew, He also predestined [to become] conformed to the image of His Son, so that He would be the firstborn among many brethren; 30and these whom He predestined, He also called; and these whom He called, He also justified; and these whom He justified, He also glorified.
31What then shall we say to these things? If God [is] for us, who [is] against us? 32He who did not spare His own Son, but delivered Him over for us all, how will He not also with Him freely give us all things? 33Who will bring a charge against God’s elect? God is the one who justifies; 34who is the one who condemns? Christ Jesus is He who died, yes, rather who was raised, who is at the right hand of God, who also intercedes for us. 35Who will separate us from the love of Christ? Will tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword?
36Just as it is written, “FOR YOUR SAKE WE ARE BEING PUT TO DEATH ALL DAY LONG; WE WERE CONSIDERED AS SHEEP TO BE SLAUGHTERED.”
37But in all these things we overwhelmingly conquer through Him who loved us. 38For I am convinced that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor things present, nor things to come, nor powers, 39nor height, nor depth, nor any other created thing, will be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.
Catholics don’t fear suffering, even if it means that in our depression we are less useful, because that is how we are created…
 
SP,

There is no discounting suffering and disability…

What is the greater disability…

temporal life with the hope of eternal life?

temporal life without the hope of eternal life?

Help me understand where it is that anyone believes that Christians are to escape suffering…

Catholics don’t fear suffering, even if it means that in our depression we are less useful, because that is how we are created…
Being usefull is a part of the works required along with faith to get into heaven. As for suffering I do plenty of that all gender issues aside. Ived passed 40+ kidneystones in my life, I know what both physical and non physical pain is. Anyway if there were a cure for the stones I;d bet you would approve of it. Look in Elizabeth502’s posts on these tg threads you should be able to find a post with a :secret Vatican document" on transsexuality that DOES approve of some sex change surgeries. So after reading that document one can’t surely say that the way Im living is sinful.
 
Being usefull is a part of the works required along with faith to get into heaven. As for suffering I do plenty of that all gender issues aside. Ived passed 40+ kidneystones in my life, I know what both physical and non physical pain is. Anyway if there were a cure for the stones I;d bet you would approve of it. Look in Elizabeth502’s posts on these tg threads you should be able to find a post with a :secret Vatican document" on transsexuality that DOES approve of some sex change surgeries. So after reading that document one can’t surely say that the way Im living is sinful.
SP,

I suggest you find what you want anyone to believe concerning secret documents. I will believe it when I read it.
 
Kolbe,

I reject the DSM IV and DSM V, in fact I reject the entire notion of Gender Dysphoria…however to maintain a conversation, you have to enter the paradigm of the relevance of the discussion.

Why “transgender” is a lie…

Well first of all the DSM IV and V are Homossexual agenda driven
Believing that someone can wish anything that makes them other than what they are created for is nonsense…

To discuss anything you have to discuss it on the terms that those that believe that this is relevant has to be discussed in their terms…it is like language…

In order to discuss Protestant thought you have to know Protestant thought, understand Calvin, Luther, the history of the Bible…and even though I can discuss the beliefs, I don’t accept them and question them…as we know when discussing Sola Scriptura…

I can fold my hands and say…you are wrong, end of story…however if I know the paradigm and show the weakness of the paradigm then that causes someone to think…

Aquinas knew the opposition better than the opposition…and that is how he caused the opposition to abandon their faulty thinking…

I know the DSM as well as anyone. I know the paradigm of the 12 step religion of AA as well as anyone. That is how I am able to disagree and show the weakness of the paradigm…

You can’t convince anyone of anything unless you know what they know as well or better than they do or they remain unconvinced…

Do you know a better way?

It is my hope that others see the fallacy in thinking and start resisting and for that reason I posted…

forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=769113

**The Reformation for Secular Homosexual thinking **

Homosexual propaganda is based on no fact, no science and it is necessary to start providing evidence of lack of evidence…loud and clear:D
👍
 
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