Why "transgender" is a lie

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SP,

Eccentricities aside, XY=male, no matter how many hormones, no matter how much surgical mutilation, no matter how much therapy…better to live with depression wishing, desiring, prefering, believing hoping and working to accept creation than to gain the world and lose that for which you are created for.
All have sinned and fallen short of the glory of the Lord. While the degree to which some have failed exceeds that of others all of us are in need of God’s love and mercy. While some have made themselves eunuchs for reasons which seem mad to you we much remember that Philip baptised a eunuch as they too are just like everyone in their need of God’s mercy.
 
All have sinned and fallen short of the glory of the Lord. While the degree to which some have failed exceeds that of others all of us are in need of God’s love and mercy. While some have made themselves eunuchs for reasons which seem mad to you we much remember that Philip baptised a eunuch as they too are just like everyone in their need of God’s mercy.
DR,

You may want to ask if the Ethiopian Eunuch was a Eunuch by choice or by command and that Eunuch admitted that he lacked understanding and needed guidance.
 
SP,

This is heresay and not fact…no document is available for review…I addressed this in this thread, post # 268

forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=768007&page=18

Read what Fr. Saunders says…in no place does he condone surgery…

catholicherald.com/storie…97?sub_id=1997

He says this…
To destroy organs purposefully that are healthy and functioning, and to try to create imitation organs which will never have the genuineness and functioning of authentic organs is gross and lacks charity. Such surgery which purposefully destroys the bodily integrity of the person must be condemned.
There is no reference you can read that has the so called secret document that you latched on to to support your belief that as I read your rationalization needs to be revisited in light of fact not fancy.

What Fr. Saunders actually says is found here…

My suspicion is that the only surgery for sex reassignment if for intersex children that has been extrapolated to support the false notion that you can castrate, invert and take hormones…to take a man, mutilate that man and tell him…Ok…now you are what you think, believe, wish, desire…and not true.
 
SP,

This is heresay and not fact…no document is available for review…I addressed this in this thread, post # 268

forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=768007&page=18

Read what Fr. Saunders says…in no place does he condone surgery…

catholicherald.com/storie…97?sub_id=1997

He says this…

There is no reference you can read that has the so called secret document that you latched on to to support your belief that as I read your rationalization needs to be revisited in light of fact not fancy.

What Fr. Saunders actually says is found here…

My suspicion is that the only surgery for sex reassignment if for intersex children that has been extrapolated to support the false notion that you can castrate, invert and take hormones…to take a man, mutilate that man and tell him…Ok…now you are what you think, believe, wish, desire…and not true.
The point Im making is in the line that approves some sexchanges. This link is out of a Catholic magazine.
 
The point Im making is in the line that approves some sexchanges. This link is out of a Catholic magazine.
SP,

For clarity, post the link that you think says it is OK…with substantiation referencing the document in question otherwise it is what someone says and that is not de fide.
The Vatican document’s specific points include:
– An analysis of the moral licitness of “sex-change” operations. It concludes that the procedure could be morally acceptable in certain extreme cases if a medical probability exists that it will “cure” the patient’s internal turmoil.
This statement is from a News Article without reference to what it is referencing…

You want to believe that the DSM put GD between the mind/body, yet you say you are GD because you think so…in the mind

You spent time looking at and sifting Genetics that do not apply to GD and prove nothing other than genetic anomalies exist that are not related to GD.

You wronly assume the brains of women and men are different based on brain scan…this is inferential information that does not aid the hope to prove the GD has an anatomic reality

Aspergers causes depression and you ascribe depression to GD…what if you are wrong?

You are Catholic, I am Catholic…In many and various ways God spoke to us through His Prophets and in these last days He spoke to us through His son and those things were taught to the Apostles and revealed truths are found in the Catechism…

No place, no Church, no document I know of tells us to find our beliefs, revealed truths, in a magazine…

Do we now teach our children that magazines are the source of information to build on and make decisions for castration, mutilation, dangers of hormone treatment…or perhaps it is addressing intersex children as I suspect it is…

Catechism or Magazine?
 
SP,

For clarity, post the link that you think says it is OK…with substantiation referencing the document in question otherwise it is what someone says and that is not de fide.

This statement is from a News Article without reference to what it is referencing…

You want to believe that the DSM put GD between the mind/body, yet you say you are GD because you think so…in the mind

You spent time looking at and sifting Genetics that do not apply to GD and prove nothing other than genetic anomalies exist that are not related to GD.

You wronly assume the brains of women and men are different based on brain scan…this is inferential information that does not aid the hope to prove the GD has an anatomic reality

Aspergers causes depression and you ascribe depression to GD…what if you are wrong?

You are Catholic, I am Catholic…In many and various ways God spoke to us through His Prophets and in these last days He spoke to us through His son and those things were taught to the Apostles and revealed truths are found in the Catechism…

No place, no Church, no document I know of tells us to find our beliefs, revealed truths, in a magazine…

Do we now teach our children that magazines are the source of information to build on and make decisions for castration, mutilation, dangers of hormone treatment…or perhaps it is addressing intersex children as I suspect it is…

Catechism or Magazine?
It isn’t in the Catechism it is in the Magzine.
 
It isn’t in the Catechism it is in the Magzine.
SP,

So, for the record, do we ask the Faithful Catholic, do we suggest to any Catholic that the information in magazines supersedes the Cathechism…or does the Catechism supersede the magazine.

What is it the Vatican asks us to follow…

Catechism or Magazine?
 
SP,

So, for the record, do we ask the Faithful Catholic, do we suggest to any Catholic that the information in magazines supersedes the Cathechism…or does the Catechism supersede the magazine.

What is it the Vatican asks us to follow…

Catechism or Magazine?
What I’m talking about doesn’t have anything in the Catechism that adresses it! The Vatican doscument does. Yes I have read the Catechism myself.
 
What I’m talking about doesn’t have anything in the Catechism that adresses it! The Vatican doscument does. Yes I have read the Catechism myself.
SP,

What remains is that we have no such document to read…what we have is…

a report about a document that is quoted out of context in a magazine…

If the document exists, where is the proof?, and if it exists, what does it say?..until we know for sure…I would protect my genitals, not take hormones and rethink any notion concerning genetics, brain scans and the DSM.

Beliefs are nothing more than thoughts that a person gives consent to…and accepts as true and it happens often that beliefs are held that are not true based on acceptance and consent that negates reality.
 
SP,

What remains is that we have no such document to read…what we have is…

a report about a document that is quoted out of context in a magazine…

If the document exists, where is the proof?, and if it exists, what does it say?..until we know for sure…I would protect my genitals, not take hormones and rethink any notion concerning genetics, brain scans and the DSM.

Beliefs are nothing more than thoughts that a person gives consent to…and accepts as true and it happens often that beliefs are held that are not true based on acceptance and consent that negates reality.
Funny, Iv’e read this document so much now that I can recall the bullet points in my head. Every news report Ive ever seen on this in the 10 years Iv’e known about it says the same thing when saying what the document “said”. Theres no magic aura that makes it get quoted out of contexed everytime like you suggest.
 
What I’m talking about doesn’t have anything in the Catechism that adresses it! The Vatican doscument does. Yes I have read the Catechism myself.
SP,

Here read this…

holyspiritinteractive.net/columns/williamsaunders/straightanswers/79.asp
Respect for bodily integrity
2297 Kidnapping and hostage taking bring on a reign of terror; by means of threats they subject their victims to intolerable pressures. They are morally wrong. Terrorism threatens, wounds, and kills indiscriminately; it is gravely against justice and charity.
Torture which uses physical or moral violence to extract confessions, punish the guilty, frighten opponents, or satisfy hatred is contrary to respect for the person and for human dignity. Except when performed for strictly therapeutic medical reasons, directly intended amputations, mutilations, and sterilizations performed on innocent persons are against the moral law.[90]
Just take note it is on the iternet and you can’t put anything on the internet that isn’t true!!!:eek:
 
Funny, Iv’e read this document so much now that I can recall the bullet points in my head. Every news report Ive ever seen on this in the 10 years Iv’e known about it says the same thing when saying what the document “said”. Theres no magic aura that makes it get quoted out of contexed everytime like you suggest.
SP,

I do not think you understand, what is being quoted is a text from a news article that in regards the news article is in context. We have no way of knowing what the context is since no document exists or has been made known.

You cling to this because it substantiates your belief or there would be no problem.

Your belief that this document exists suggests it solves a problem.

What does this belief about the existence of the document mean to you?

What does the belief about this docuement say about you?

You may well make a decision based on a document you have not seen, a document that has not been published, a rumor, a news article…that makes lots of sense???:eek:
 
SP,

Here read this…

holyspiritinteractive.net/columns/williamsaunders/straightanswers/79.asp

Just take note it is on the iternet and you can’t put anything on the internet that isn’t true!!!:eek:
Iv’e read it and it doesn’t impress me at all. Its the sameold anti trans stuff recycled over and over and will for for a time. To me if the brain and body are in conflict over sex of the human being I go with the brain,because thats where the identity is formed.
 
Iv’e read it and it doesn’t impress me at all. Its the sameold anti trans stuff recycled over and over and will for for a time. .
Stephen ma man,
To me if the brain and body are in conflict over sex of the human being I go with the brain,because thats where the identity is formed
How can anyone have evidence that the brain and body are in conflict?

What do you know about the information abstracted from brain scans?

What are brain scans of the brain useful for, diagnostic for, provide information of?

Have you not heard that there is no body, there is no mind…there is only mind/body…a body without a mind is a corpse. A mind without a body is???

Aid me in your understanding based on your 30 plus years of self education. I am all ears.🍿
 
Iv’e read it and it doesn’t impress me at all. Its the sameold anti trans stuff recycled over and over and will for for a time. To me if the brain and body are in conflict over sex of the human being I go with the brain,because thats where the identity is formed.
Except that the human brain can be fooled. For example, sometimes people can become convinced that they are a bird and can fly. But when they jump off of a building expecting to fly, reality, and the ground, hits.
 
Hi Faithdancer,

In my part of the world we have a saying which goes like A fed person cannot understand a hungry person. You’re a perfect example of this.

To use this analogy, you’ve never felt hunger, so you believe that it doesn’t really exist (because why would God allow you to be hungry?!) so those who are hungry have must have deluded themselves.
There are those who are hungry, no question about that. There are also those who are very confused, no doubt about that. There are psychiatric cases of people who are convinced they are Klingons, or made of glass. They believe this about themselves, but that doesn’t make it objective reality.🙂
 
Except that the human brain can be fooled. For example, there are sometimes people who become convinced that they are a bird and can fly. But when they jump off of a building, reality, and the ground, hits.
That would come with a bad mental ilness Ie paranoia, schzizphrenia, etc. I know what mental ilness can do. My Godfather is a paranoide schzizphrenic who shot the mailman because he thought he was puting the ssi check in the wrong mailbox as a part of a conspiracy against him.
 
There are those who are hungry, no question about that. There are also those who are very confused, no doubt about that. There are psychiatric cases of people who are convinced they are Klingons, or made of glass. They believe this about themselves, but that doesn’t make it objective reality.🙂
Faith,

and here we have a medical success of GD with medication…while the author says doubtful GD, I am certain that to be politically correct this was inserted…there is hope on the horizon rather than resorting to mutilating surgery and risky hormone…
Aust N Z J Psychiatry. 1996 Jun;30(3):422-5.
The successful treatment of a gender dysphoric patient with pimozide.
Puri BK, Singh I.
SourceDepartment of Psychiatry, Charing Cross and Westminster Medical School, University of London, UK.
Abstract
OBJECTIVE: The case is reported of a gender dysphoric patient who responded successfully to pharmacotherapy with pimozide.
CLINICAL PICTURE: An adult male patient with a borderline learning disability presented with cross-dressing and a strong wish to undergo a sex change.
TREATMENT: Supportive psychotherapy and pharmacotherapy with pimozide was tried.
OUTCOME: There was an excellent response to pimozide 2 mg daily, with a cessation of both cross-dressing and the wish for sex reassignment. When, after 1 year, the dose was reduced to 1 mg daily, there was a rapid return of the cross-dressing and the wish for sex reassignment. An increase in the dose again led to a remission which has been maintained since then.
CONCLUSION: Pharmacotherapy with pimozide should be considered in cases of doubtful gender dysphoria.
 
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