Why Ukraine needs a free and recognized Orthodox Church. Cyril Hovorun

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Hi Doc Hawk,
Ukraine is a rather important place for us as our mom has great grandparents from there. And, because Malachi Martin’s cryptic comment: ‘both Kyiv and Russia are part of the final solution to the Fatima 3rd. Salvation will come from the East’ why he didn’t say Ukraine is a mystery to me, but something tells me it has something to do with Lavra Monastery which I was trying to see was still active; do you know?
This Fr Martin said in his last interview with Art Bell in 1998. But not to impune Fr Martin, but he did mix 1 or 2 other minor details up. One was location of Hitler’s Wolf’s Lair, and the other I forget. Unless we saw the wrong map indicating Wolf’s Lair was in Poland?
The ROC being most populated Orthodox Church still befuddles me because of its prelate being a cable tv oligarch? He’s been seen behind the wheel of his mega racing yacht in street apparel. Obviously things work differently there. So it’s confusing how Kyiv and Russia get together for being the defenders of the faith as Malachi said was in Fatima 3rd.
Also, the president Rus chose for Ukraine lived in a private mansion way above means of Ukraine civil servants. How can a nation defend the faith while turning back to public corruption, too? I’ve written Putin about this but he says he doesn’t like us criticizing, which we’re not, just trying to say: straighten up and fly right.

Whether it would be returned or no(?) but I have great affection for this region’s people but do not get ROC warring over breakaway faith and ethnicities of all things when they’re brothers to begin with! Hello…😭
I get why Putin wants Ukraine on his side, but disagree with methods used. Kyiv Monastery has a sacred prophecy that it shall not suffer destruction.
Also wondered if competition related to Freemasonry in either nation.
Well, after putting that out there, I won’t blame you for not addressing that particular point. 😶
Grazie mille, fratello. Jackson
 
Okay, I am answering my own question to you:
Question: Why are Ukraines and Russians so fatootsed over these things when they began as Kievan-Rus?
Possible answer: Regional nuances so old they defy outsider understanding? What they need to do is see if there are any wise old descendants of Saint Vladimir the Great left to mediate and resolve things.
Another way to describe it is after collapse, Ukraine turned its head West for change of view. They saw the bright lights in the west and were curious. Soviet era architecture built after nazis bombed Ukraine’s cities was kind of depressing and they had hope for hope’s sake?
(This is where truth has to stop being politicized, so people get reality instead of rhetoric of oligarch harvesters.)
What Ukraine could not see is the moral corruption rampantly destroying faith across Europe. Berlin has never been more degenerate than it is now and Berlin is Putin’s frame of view from past KGB experience.

Problems are: how to expose to your people what they don’t all want to see? Like LGBT populations want freedom not knowing how U.S. LGBT have rampant STI infections where antibiotics are failing. Syphilis is epidemic among American gay/bi men. And gay media mafia stays perched in their ivory towers, above all the commoners, GMAB! It’s true, and many LGBT people are beginning to realise, life really isn’t a pride parade. Yet where are the saints these people, and others need?
The only nation I feel confident enough to back the creation of a new monastic order dedicated to Christ the King under the patronage of the Holy Spirit is Russia, even with all its intolerance. Maybe because they have the space? If you know of another nation let’s hear it. (You know Russian youth have rebuilt Cossacks as a compelling force. God help us all if they’re not getting the true understanding of Christ’s mind.)
So, do we become content to let Russians remain with city middle class with Siberian serfs with oligarchs over all? We don’t have a choice because the greatest brick-wall in the world is Putin and his ideology of Russian society preserved at all costs. What is disturbing is his seeming disinterest in valuing Christians including messianics who prove true to faith. We see the people he wants shut out as deserving of ministry; who do they have to show them the light of Messiah Jesus? And not just LGBT but all people. In India, the largest growth in Christianity is among Dalits (untouchables) while Hindus are out and killing Christians.
And the truth if it all is, I have to agree with Putin to the point after satanism growth in U.S. where Church of Satan gives invocation before public meetings? “Oy! Vladimir, build the walls thicker and higher!” 😱
One thing we can’t seem to work out is why NWO built future headquarters Astana, Kazakstan? Didn’t Putin object, even a little?
This is why we need massive amounts of consecrating prayer for the whole world. Maybe?
Grazie mille Fratello, Jackson
 
Sometimes we do not notice that anti-human and godless things happen in the shell of religious rhetoric.
Outside we seen a theocracy and inside -the malignant tumor of the incurable corruption, injustice and a system where human unit is just simply the helpless cog.
It seems to me that by choosing a Pro-Western landmark Ukrainians made the right choice.
Turning the sail of our ship to the West on the Maidan Ukrainians declared certain principles.
Ukrainian Maidan was a step in pilgrimage road from fear to dignity. Those students who died (among them was a student of the Ukrainian Catholic University) that was Christ-like sacrifice. The youth went to slaughter as lambs.
Ukrainians declared a protest against the world of totalitarianism, authoritarianism and corruption.
Of course, today on both sides of the barricades there are priests, chaplains, prophets and seers, but Ukrainians will never accept or submit to being robbed of their spiritual identity, land or state.
This is unnatural when inside the country, anti-sovereign and anti-patriotic organization monopolized the spirituality of man.
Pro-Moscow priests twist God as nomad gypsy turns the sun, but the time will come and they will have to choose - or to leave for Russia or stop to sow in people submission and obedience to the Kremlin Empire.
 
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