Why was Catholic philosophy based on pagan philosophy?

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Some of the Church Fathers based their thought on Greek pagan philosophers. Why is that?

Today, we wouldn’t touch paganism with a 50 foot pole. Christ warned us against pagans. Exorcists say paganism today is a form of satanism.

So if paganism is so awful, why did the Church let itself be influenced by pagan philosophy instead of sticking to what we learnt from the Jews and the revelations from Christ?
 
Which ones and which thoughts? Hard to answer vague questions.
 
Some of the Church Fathers based their thought on Greek pagan philosophers. Why is that?

Today, we wouldn’t touch paganism with a 50 foot pole. Christ warned us against pagans. Exorcists say paganism today is a form of satanism.

So if paganism is so awful, why did the Church let itself be influenced by pagan philosophy instead of sticking to what we learnt from the Jews and the revelations from Christ?
It so happens that God does not restrict the grasp of what is true to any particular group. He reveals His truth in different ways to different peoples. God reveals His truth not only through Divine Revelation but also through the things He has made. It so happened that the Greek Philosopher, Aristotle had a tremendous grasp of what God had revealed through nature. The Church, in her wisdom, accepts truth wherever she finds it. That is why St. Thomas Aquinas and many of the Church’s theologians relied heavily on the thought of Aristotle. I am unfamiliar with Eastern pagan philosophers so I cannot speak to that.

The Catechism of the Catholic Church uses many sources but I don’t think it quotes any pagan philosopher directly. Usually, this is done through the mouth of one of her own theologians.

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This is kinda like asking why any Christian uses language at all after the Tower of Babel.
 
It so happens that God does not restrict the grasp of what is true to any particular group. He reveals His truth in different ways to different peoples. God reveals His truth not only through Divine Revelation but also through the things He has made. It so happened that the Greek Philosopher, Aristotle had a tremendous grasp of what God had revealed through nature. The Church, in her wisdom, accepts truth wherever she finds it. That is why St. Thomas Aquinas and many of the Church’s theologians relied heavily on the thought of Aristotle. I am unfamiliar with Eastern pagan philosophers so I cannot speak to that.

The Catechism of the Catholic Church uses many sources but I don’t think it quotes any pagan philosopher directly. Usually, this is done through the mouth of one of her own theologians.

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Exactly!
 
As far as I know Albert Einstein never made a profession of faith in Christ, and I don’t think he was even a practising Jew in the formal sense. He did seem to have a sense that God existed eg. “God is subtle, but He is not malicious”, “As I have said so many times, God doesn’t play dice with the world.”

But we’re not going to ignore his theory of relativity if it’s correct., even if he wasn’t a Christian.

During the early and middle ages of the church, Plato and Aristotle were as good as they had when it came to philosophy, so they used their teachings.
 
Some of the Church Fathers based their thought on Greek pagan philosophers. Why is that?

Today, we wouldn’t touch paganism with a 50 foot pole. Christ warned us against pagans. Exorcists say paganism today is a form of satanism.

So if paganism is so awful, why did the Church let itself be influenced by pagan philosophy instead of sticking to what we learnt from the Jews and the revelations from Christ?
As another poster pointed out, God has given man the ability to find truths solely from the power of reason. The philosophy of Plato and Aristotle, although pagan, came near the pinnacle of what the human mind is capable of attaining via reason alone. The Church Fathers recognized this in Plato - therefore a “Christianized” version of Plato’s philosophy, notably in the writings of Augustine, helped form the Church’s philosophical worldview. As both reason and faith are gifts from God, it was only fitting that the Church recognized the parts of truth that the pagan philosophers had discovered and take it to the next level. In light of Christ, the pagan philosophies find their fulfillment - the goal which through reason alone they could not obtain. We see the same happen with Aristotle. Aquinas was able to demonstrate how the philosophy of Aristotle, when placed in a Christian milieu, was fitting to describe proper ontology, causation, and other critical philosophical concepts. He was so successful in this endeavor that the Church continues to rely heavily on his Catholic-Aristotelian thought, and has done so for the past 700 years.
 
Some of the Church Fathers based their thought on Greek pagan philosophers. Why is that?

Today, we wouldn’t touch paganism with a 50 foot pole. Christ warned us against pagans. Exorcists say paganism today is a form of satanism.

So if paganism is so awful, why did the Church let itself be influenced by pagan philosophy instead of sticking to what we learnt from the Jews and the revelations from Christ?
The term “paganism” is used in a lot of different ways. If someone is a “pagan” today, that might imply that they practice some sort of “satanism,” but that’s simply because that is what the term has come to mean. And there were pagan cults during antiquity whose practices were antithetical to Christianity, certainly.

That isn’t to say that everything under the broader category of “paganism” (simply taking that to mean “non-Christian”) is bad as such. A number of elements in Greek philosophy resonate with Christianity. For instance, Aristotle’s ethics (though different in some ways) does maintain the intrinsic impermissibility of certain actions, which resonates with the Christian attitude toward the Decalogue.

That may seem trivial, until one realizes (as Elizabeth Anscombe was at pains to point out) that many contemporary moral philosophies precisely do not maintain the intrinsic impermissibility of any actions (ie. on consequentialist theories, any act, such as murder or rape, which we would regard as abhorrent, can be justifiable and even obligatory if the ends are sufficiently compelling).
 
Because the Church doesn’t commit the “genetic fallacy”. Just because a certain system of philosophy came from someone who was a pagan doesn’t mean it is wrong anymore than we should reject the Pythagorean Theorem because it too came from Pagan Greece or Arabic numerals and the Latin alphabet because they also originated in non-Christian cultures.

God chose a particular time and place in history to become incarnate, the “fullness of time.” This included, first and foremost, His people (the sons of Israel) who He had been preparing through direct revelation to receive the Messiah, but also included the Greeks (whose philosophy is the greatest the world has seen) and the Romans (whose roads, pacified by the Pax Romana, the Gospel spread along).

If you are really interested in the relation between Greek Philosophy and Christian Revelation read Pope Benedict’s Regensburg Address.
 
Some of the Church Fathers based their thought on Greek pagan philosophers. Why is that?
There literally was no other philosophy in existence at the time upon which to build a foundation for philosophy. Remember the distinction between theology and philosophy. The pagan religions were not adopted. It was their philosophy that attracted the Church Fathers. Philosophy is the handmaiden of theology. It is a rational tool for making sense of the world, but it by no means did it displace Christian theology, and was very helpful (as all rationalism is) in seeing why Christian theology makes rational philosophical sense. It was by this application of Greek rationalism to Christian theology that many pagans were won over to Christianity. It was by this rationalism that many Christians were fortified in their attempts to convert the pagans.

By the way, most of the Greek philosophers adopted by the Fathers did not buy the pagan religions or mythologies, so there is very little in their philosophical work that justifies, for example, the existence of Zeus, Poseidon, Hades, Apollo and Athena.
 
There literally was no other philosophy in existence at the time upon which to build a foundation for philosophy. Remember the distinction between theology and philosophy. The pagan religions were not adopted. It was their philosophy that attracted the Church Fathers. Philosophy is the handmaiden of theology. It is a rational tool for making sense of the world, but it by no means did it displace Christian theology, and was very helpful (as all rationalism is) in seeing why Christian theology makes rational philosophical sense. It was by this application of Greek rationalism to Christian theology that many pagans were won over to Christianity. It was by this rationalism that many Christians were fortified in their attempts to convert the pagans.

By the way, most of the Greek philosophers adopted by the Fathers did not buy the pagan religions or mythologies, so there is very little in their philosophical work that justifies, for example, the existence of Zeus, Poseidon, Hades, Apollo and Athena.
Ah. That clears things up succinctly. Thank you.
 
Christianity is a composite of pagan practices.

The cult of Isis practiced a ritual cleansing of sins in the Nile river.

Many pagan cults had a meal of bread and wine during their rituals.

Dec the 25 is the birthday of Mithras - god of the sun.

Many pagans celebrated a god who died and then was resurrected.

The Catholic saints look and act like pagan deities.

It makes sense that the Christians would also take pagan philosophies.
 
Christianity is a composite of pagan practices.

The cult of Isis practiced a ritual cleansing of sins in the Nile river.

Many pagan cults had a meal of bread and wine during their rituals.

Dec the 25 is the birthday of Mithras - god of the sun.

Many pagans celebrated a god who died and then was resurrected.

The Catholic saints look and act like pagan deities.

It makes sense that the Christians would also take pagan philosophies.
Not only is most of what you wrote factually incorrect, but your entire post commits the logical fallacy of “post hoc ergo propter hoc” “after this therefore because of this”. Pointing out similarities (many of which are not even accurate) doesn’t demonstrate a causal relationship. IOW, just because x came temporally prior to y, doesn’t mean x caused y (or even influenced y at all).
 
Christianity is a composite of pagan practices.

The cult of Isis practiced a ritual cleansing of sins in the Nile river.

Many pagan cults had a meal of bread and wine during their rituals.

Dec the 25 is the birthday of Mithras - god of the sun.

Many pagans celebrated a god who died and then was resurrected.

The Catholic saints look and act like pagan deities.

It makes sense that the Christians would also take pagan philosophies.
The main fallacy here is that of non sequitur. It does not follow that because there are overlapping traits in Christianity and pagan religions, that “Christianity is a composite of pagan practices.”

How many pagan religions professed to trace their origin back to Adam and Eve?

How many pagan religions are monotheistic?

How many of the pagan religions can trace their origin to the time of Abraham? Certainly not Mithraism.

How many pagan religions have covenants with their gods?

How many pagan religions claim their God died on the cross for their sins?

How many pagan religions had a commission to go for and preach to all nations?

How many pagan religions require the confession of a creed?

How many pagan religions require confession of sins?

How many pagan religions have a Trinitarian conception of God?

How many pagan religions have seven Sacraments?

I could go on and on. I think you get my point.

It’s only natural that religions might overlap in some of their beliefs and practices.

Christianity stands apart from ancient pagan religions in too many ways to assert that “Christianity is a composite of pagan practices.”
 
Some of the Church Fathers based their thought on Greek pagan philosophers. Why is that?

Today, we wouldn’t touch paganism with a 50 foot pole. Christ warned us against pagans. Exorcists say paganism today is a form of satanism.

So if paganism is so awful, why did the Church let itself be influenced by pagan philosophy instead of sticking to what we learnt from the Jews and the revelations from Christ?
Firstly, the “pagan” philosophers articulated a necessarily monotheist universe with a vision of the divine that debunked paganism’s excesses in depicting the divine as indulging in human vice. This was a monumental achievement and is also the reason why philosophers were frequently persecuted by their societies for their moral insistence under the specious allegation of impiety or “introducing false gods”. In that sense Socrates, Plato and Aristotle were by no means “pagan”’; if they were, then their host societies would not have tried to kill them (Socrates and Aristotle). Plato was spared persecutions because of the eccentricity of his philosophy on one hand that limited its influence in the practical and also because he was closely connected with Socrates, the killing of whom Greeks and the whole world had largely come to regret and perceive as a horrible crime. But the pagan world’s tolerance of philosophy was again pushed beyond its limits in the case of Aristotle who was not so associated with Socrates.

Secondly, many Christian theologians -both Protestant and Catholic- work very hard to try to reconcile modern science and faith. Science has its own drive, rules and logic that makes it serve as a more or less unbiased middle man in the debate between faith and reason; however, it frequently challenges and is sometimes used as a platform to attack Christian faith and even all religion generally. But would someone charge Catholic and Protestant theologians of betrayal for sometimes using what is known and demonstrable in science for the sake of defending the truths of faith? E.g. modern research that shows that classical vice and sin actually damages our brains? Certainly not.

Philosophers tried to identify the most basic rational certainties of the world and investigated what this would mean or what follows from it. The discoveries of philosophy paved the way for a rational understanding of nature and its basic truths became common sense. Our language is absolutely awash with philosophical concepts and truisms.
  • Form (e.g., information)
  • Potential, potentiality
  • Actual, actuality
  • Energy
  • Principle of causality
  • Logic, logical
  • Fallacy
  • Essence, the essential
  • Physics, the physical
These and countless other terms, ideas and concepts are all directly derived from “pagan” philosophy. We could scarcely imagine a world or conceive of what we take as common sense and for granted without these concepts or ideas; it is hard for us to imagine a time where these ideas and concepts were new or theoretical and controversial; but there was such a time. Today we take them for granted.

Philosophy served as and can still sometimes serve as a middle ground between faith and reason. It still has much to teach us - logic hasn’t gone away, for example.

Finally, science requires a philosophy to defend it. Science takes for granted a great deal before it begins to investigate the workings of nature. It is surprising how few scientists can actually defend the merits of science against, e.g., sceptical attacks and sophistry: they are not necessarily trained in rigorous logic, perhaps have never felt a need to define just what makes something “real” or a “being” and certain forms of sceptical objections can baffle them. Science presupposes a rational and coherent philosophy or at least what we take for common sense or knowledge today; however, science itself can sometimes, as it progresses, even attack this or seem to contradict it. Only good philosophy could possibly hope to temper scientific excesses or absurdities on strictly rational grounds; faith, of course, can and does often do the same, but faith has its own logic and rules.
 
How many pagan religions professed to trace their origin back to Adam and Eve?
Don’t know about Adam and Eve, but I do know that the story of Noah is Sumerian in origin. It was one of their myths.
How many pagan religions are monotheistic?
There was at least one monotheistic sun cult in Ancient Egypt.
How many of the pagan religions can trace their origin to the time of Abraham? Certainly not Mithraism.
The Jews weren’t monotheistic until Moses. It is very possible that Abraham was a pagan himself.
How many pagan religions have covenants with their gods?
Several. Making deals with Gods is not a new idea by any stretch.

Sidenote: Christians borrowed this idea from the Jews.
How many pagan religions claim their God died on the cross for their sins?
There are multiple Gods and Goddesses who have suffered and died for their people. There were some who were actually sacrificed by their people. These are usually agriculture deities.
How many pagan religions had a commission to go for and preach to all nations?
It was not uncommon for pagans to conquer and convert each other.
How many pagan religions require the confession of a creed?
Many. Christians weren’t the first to give oaths.
How many pagan religions require confession of sins?
As I already pointed out: Isis had her followers bath in the river Nile to “cleanse” them of sins.
How many pagan religions have a Trinitarian conception of God?
…that was taken from the Celts to convert them…
How many pagan religions have seven Sacraments?
Lots. Marriage and funeral rites predate Christianity.
I could go on and on. I think you get my point.
…that you’re uneducated?
Christianity stands apart from ancient pagan religions in too many ways to assert that “Christianity is a composite of pagan practices.”
It is.

But why are you taking offense at that?
 
Some of the Church Fathers based their thought on Greek pagan philosophers. Why is that?

Today, we wouldn’t touch paganism with a 50 foot pole. Christ warned us against pagans. Exorcists say paganism today is a form of satanism.

So if paganism is so awful, why did the Church let itself be influenced by pagan philosophy instead of sticking to what we learnt from the Jews and the revelations from Christ?
One could argue that the collapse of Aristotelian metaphysics after Galileo significantly strengthened Reformation (particularly Luther-an) objections to the incorporation of Greek philosophy into Christian theology. I’ve even seen it argued that heavy reliance on Greek philosophy in the West (esp. via St. Thomas Aquinas) was actually at the root of the Protestant Reformation–a phenomenon that wasn’t duplicated in the East.
 
Some of the Church Fathers based their thought on Greek pagan philosophers. Why is that?

Today, we wouldn’t touch paganism with a 50 foot pole. Christ warned us against pagans. Exorcists say paganism today is a form of satanism.

So if paganism is so awful, why did the Church let itself be influenced by pagan philosophy instead of sticking to what we learnt from the Jews and the revelations from Christ?
Your idea that paganism is awful per se looks to be in need of some fairly serious rethinking. Indeed it seems to suffer a large dose of “fundamentalism” or even evangelical Protestantism that may need to be worked through.

One of my favourite figures on the roof of the Sistine Chapel is the Delphic Oracle.
 
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