Why was Jesus born of a woman?

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I know the stories about God becoming a man out of love because He wanted to show us the way to heaven, but I’m interested in the deeper theology involving why He chose to have a whole geneology, and a mother. Theoretically, He could have just showed up one day like Melchisedec. And specifically I’d like to know how by preserving her desire for virginity, God honored Mary, and how this all affects our understanding of God and His relationship to us. Does anyone know of any writings that address this?

I have considered that the Protestant insistence on Mary not retaining her virginity leaves the disagreeable thought that God just “used” Mary and then “tossed her away”, and this affects their understanding of the role of women in this world. It seems to me that it’s all connected somehow, but I don’t know where to start looking. I hope I’ve been able to make myself clear, and someone out there who has a greater knowledge of theology can point me in the right direction, and I thank you in advance.
 
Well, the “Messiah” had to be born of the house of David. So, “just appearing” wouldn’t work with the OT prophecies.
 
Thank you for your answer, and I understand about the protphecies, but God could have changed the prophecies, too. It was God who decided to come to the Israelites. I’m wondering if there’s an understanding somewhere in theology of just why Jesus decided to be born of a woman. Perhaps I’m not even understanding my own question, but it has something to do with God showing respect for Mary, in not just “using” her body in order to produce a human body for Himself.

Blessings,
Ruth
 
your analogy is right on. In submitting obediently to God’s plan for the conception and birth of the the Lord, Mary consented to fulfill her destined role as the sacred Vessel and means through with the Divine Son of God became human, through the Jewish people to whom God had revealed Himself and through whom He worked out his plan in human history. for the very same reason that Mary was not just a female body with the required attributes to accomplish this plan, to be used and tossed away, we honor the sacred vessels used in the Eucharist, we honor the Tabernacle. A chalice once used to contain the very Blood of Christ cannot be put to any other use. The altar cannot be used for anything else, nor can the Tabernacle, even the church building must be ritually “purified” in the sense of OT law in order to be “deconsecrated” before it is put to a secular use.

but no, God could not have changed the prophecies “after the fact” and despite attempts by Jewish leaders to “revise” the canon of Hebrew scripture in the early centuries following the life of Christ to change or eliminate those prophecies, they stand. The Holy Spirit spoke through the prophets and for those prophecies to change would have to mean that the Holy Spirit spoke falsely, which is an impossibility.
 
An interesting thing I find about God and His way is that it both parallels and reverses expectations. I’ll explain:

Jesus the Christ was unique; He was both God and Man. True God and True Man. Before He came, there was God, and there was man, but there was never a God-Man; and as a God-Man, Jesus reigns still. His role wasn’t completed on the cross; He intercedes for us still.

Likewise, Mary was unique; she was a perfect human, and is our nature’s solitary boast. Like her Son, she was unique - she was both a Virgin and a Mother. Before she was, there were virgins and there were mothers, but there was never a Virgin-Mother; the solitary uniqueness of this role would be diminished if she ceased being a virgin. She would no longer be a Virgin-Mother, but only a mother (which, don’t get me wrong, is a very high calling). However, God chose her to be unique in such a way as to manifest the absolute uniqueness of His Son.

Parallels and reversals: God likes to take our expectations and flip them 180 degrees (the wisdom of God is foolishness to men). Take the beatitudes, for example: who would expect the persecuted to be blessed or those who mourn to be blessed? For a better presentation of these, listen to this lecture (it’s worth your time, I assure you).

So how does the parrallel / reversal manifest itself here? Adam and Eve. Christ is the new Adam (Romans 5:12, ****1 Corinthians 15:2, ****1 Corinthians 15:45), ****1 Timothy 2:14), and Mary is the new Eve. How is this? Let’s turn to Genesis 3:15:
I will put enmities between thee and the woman, and thy seed and her seed: she shall crush thy head, and thou shalt lie in wait for her heel.
Now some translations render it “he shall crush thy head”, but there are many lengthy threads about that point on these forums if you’re interested. Suffice it to say that there is some relation between the Woman, the Man, and the serpant. Truthfully, it’s not that relevant to the discussion, but you should be aware of the fact that the manuscript evidence goes both ways. In any case, the key part here is “between thee and the woman, and thy seed and her seed”. This is interesting because there is no other place in the Bible where the offspring is called a “woman’s seed” - it’s always the seed of the man.

How does this relate now? Just as Eve was formed from Adam, so shall the new Adam be formed from the new Eve. Parallel / reversal. It’s also interesting to note that before the fall, Eve is only referred to as “woman”, and how does Jesus refer to His mother? Woman. It isn’t until after the fall that Eve is first called Eve. This point is important because God calls the perfect woman without original sin and prior to sin “woman” (Eve) and also calls His mother the same until His death on the cross (John 19:26). Furthermore, the Protestant objector must answer why, in this first mention of God’s divine plan of salvation, He chose to discuss Mary (who is unquestionably “the woman”).

For further reading, you may be interested in this and this. In closing, I’ll simply quote a Father of the Church:
St. Ireneaus:
“Consequently, then, Mary the Virgin is found to be obedient, saying, ‘Behold, O Lord, your handmaid; be it done to me according to your word.’ Eve, however, was disobedient, and, when yet a virgin, she did not obey. Just as she, who was then still a virgin although she had Adam for a husband…having become disobedient, was made the cause of death for herself and for the whole human race; so also Mary, betrothed to a man but nevertheless still a virgin, being obedient, was made the cause of salvation for herself and for the whole human race. . . . Thus, the knot of Eve’s disobedience was loosed by the obedience of Mary. What the virgin Eve had bound in unbelief, the Virgin Mary loosed through faith” (Against Heresies 3:22:24 [A.D. 189]).
Please let me know if I am not answering your question.

God Bless,
RyanL
 
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asquared:
but no, God could not have changed the prophecies “after the fact”…
I don’t think this is what the OP was saying. Rather, God, having perfect foreknowledge, would have spoken through the prophets to give different prophesies which did not include a Virgin Birth (and that is certainly within His power).

God Bless,
RyanL
 
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Ruthmary:
I’m interested in the deeper theology involving why He chose to have a whole geneology, and a mother. Theoretically, He could have just showed up one day like Melchisedec.
To continue serial posting…

If Jesus did not have a mother, He would not be “like us in all things but sin”.
And specifically I’d like to know how by preserving her desire for virginity, God honored Mary, and how this all affects our understanding of God and His relationship to us. Does anyone know of any writings that address this?
1 Cor 7:38:
So then he that giveth her in marriage doeth well; but he that giveth her not in marriage doeth better.

Trent:
“If anyone says that it is not better and holier to remain in virginity or celibacy than to be joined in marriage … let him be anathema” (DS 1810).

Matthew 19:12
…others have renounced marriage because of the kingdom of heaven. The one who can accept this should accept it."
I have considered that the Protestant insistence on Mary not retaining her virginity leaves the disagreeable thought that God just “used” Mary and then “tossed her away”, and this affects their understanding of the role of women in this world.
I would assert that the rejection of the Catholic 9th commandment (“Thou shalt not covet thy neighbour’s wife”) and including it in their 10th commandment (“Thou shalt not covet thy neighbor’s goods”) also serves to diminish the role of women (making them “goods” and not people); of course, the reply will be that we have rejected the commandment concerning idolatry (Protestant 2nd, included in the Catholic 1st), so I wouldn’t really argue this point with a Protestant and expect to gain ground. That said, I still believe that this construction diminishes the autonomy and personal dignity of women.

God Bless,
RyanL
 
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RyanL:
To continue serial posting…

If Jesus did not have a mother, He would not be “like us in all things but sin”.

1 Cor 7:38:
So then he that giveth her in marriage doeth well; but he that giveth her not in marriage doeth better.

Trent:
“If anyone says that it is not better and holier to remain in virginity or celibacy than to be joined in marriage … let him be anathema” (DS 1810).

Matthew 19:12
…others have renounced marriage because of the kingdom of heaven. The one who can accept this should accept it."

I would assert that the rejection of the Catholic 9th commandment (“Thou shalt not covet thy neighbour’s wife”) and including it in their 10th commandment (“Thou shalt not covet thy neighbor’s goods”) also serves to diminish the role of women (making them “goods” and not people); of course, the reply will be that we have rejected the commandment concerning idolatry (Protestant 2nd, included in the Catholic 1st), so I wouldn’t really argue this point with a Protestant and expect to gain ground. That said, I still believe that this construction diminishes the autonomy and personal dignity of women.

God Bless,
RyanL
Thank you, Ryan,

I appreciate all your posts. You’re right, I did understand that all of salvation history would have had to change if God had chose not to be born of a woman.

I did have a rather long reply a little while ago, but my computer lost it :(. I’m at work now and shouldn’t be spending much time on this, but I’ll be anxious when I get home to listen to the Kreeft audio you recommend. He’s difficult for me to comprehend, but I’ll try. I’m an aspiring theologian, but it’s hard.

I like the typology of the vessels. Sounds quite logical. I’m just beginning to understand typology. Never heard the term before Scott Hahn.

Thank you.

Ruth
 
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Ruthmary:
Thank you for your answer, and I understand about the protphecies, but God could have changed the prophecies, too. It was God who decided to come to the Israelites. I’m wondering if there’s an understanding somewhere in theology of just why Jesus decided to be born of a woman. Perhaps I’m not even understanding my own question, but it has something to do with God showing respect for Mary, in not just “using” her body in order to produce a human body for Himself.

Blessings,
Ruth
Theology of the Body by John Paul the Great
 
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Beaver:
Theology of the Body by John Paul the Great
Thank you! I just picked up West’s Theology of the Body for Beginner’s on Friday. Haven’t gotten to it yet, though. I also got the Science Before Science and started that first. I’ll start the Theology tonight and look for the answers to my question. (I wish I didn’t have to work!)

Blessings,
Ruth
 
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Ruthmary:
I like the typology of the vessels. Sounds quite logical. I’m just beginning to understand typology. Never heard the term before Scott Hahn
Typology is good stuff, but Scott Hahn doesn’t do a thorough analysis of all of the types - so far, I haven’t found anyone who has (not that I know them myself). Mostly, there are bits and pieces here and there from this guy or that gal’s writings. Also, don’t think for a moment that he was the first to think of these (CCC 128-130). It is an ancient and largely undeveloped / undefined art, so try and find ECF who thought of them / taught them first in order to stay orthodox.

With Mary, some of those which you may want to look into are the following:

New Eve

Ark of the New Covenant


Queen Mother (Giberrah) - 1 Kings 2:19

The third antiphon of Lauds of the Feast of the Circumcision sees in “the bush that was not burnt” (Exodus 3:2) a figure of Mary conceiving her Son without the loss of her virginity. I think this is shakey, but who am I?

The second antiphon of Lauds of the same Office sees in Gideon’s fleece wet with dew while all the ground beside had remained dry (Judges 6:37-38) a type of Mary receiving in her womb the Word Incarnate. I think this is also shakey, but again, who am I?

Sara, Debbora, Judith, and Esther are variously used as figures of Mary, and with good reason.

And, of course, Gen 3:15.

And there are many more for Christ.

Another quick example of the parallel / reversal - the cross. In the Garden of Eden, the tree brought death - at Calvary, the tree brought life. At both, it was the woman’s initial response which the man followed - both women said ‘yes’, but the reversal comes in to whom they said it.

The Bible is *filled *with these, if you’re paying attention.

God Bless,
RyanL
 
A teacher once told me that events in the Old Testament occur in an equal and opposite fashion in the New; it just seems to be the way God does it. Mary was our new Eve. She said “Yes” to God where Eve turned from Him. Christ (the New Adam) was created from the seed of a woman (as opposed to Eve being created from Adam).

Mary also provided the ultimate example of what it means tto be a Christian: saying “Yes” to God, allowing Him to owershadow you, plant a seed of his love which grows inside of the believer and so radically transforms that believer’s life that a new creation is produced.

Christian means “little Christ”
 
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