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water
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Jesus is God and Mary was an earthly woman. Why was He obedient to Her? What does He want to tell us?
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Gamera
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Well, for starters, Jesus lived His earthly life under the Law of Moses, which required Him to honor His father and mother.
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water
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This also tells us that Jesus follows the laws like anyone of us - his obedience.
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cheddarsox
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He seemed more concerned with obedience to his Father.
When she asked why he had stayed behind in the temple, causing her distress and worry, he told her he needed to be about his Father’s work.
When he was told his mother and sisters wanted him to come home ( I think that’s right), he has a rather sharp comment, and …went about his Father’s work.
He was obedient to her, to a point, but his purpose was not to be a model son, it was to be the Savior of mankind.
When she asked why he had stayed behind in the temple, causing her distress and worry, he told her he needed to be about his Father’s work.
When he was told his mother and sisters wanted him to come home ( I think that’s right), he has a rather sharp comment, and …went about his Father’s work.
He was obedient to her, to a point, but his purpose was not to be a model son, it was to be the Savior of mankind.
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mlchance
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In Jesus’ case, the two options are not exclusive. Luke’s Gospel is clear that Jesus, as a child, obeyed his parents. It could be no other way. Disobedience to parents violates the Fourth Commandment.
But, as an adult, no adult owes their parents obedience.
– Mark L. Chance.
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exiled
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Being obedient to parents is part of honoring them, which is of course, the 4th commandment.
There is more to honor, though, and Catholics recognize that in His Perfections, Christ showered His mother with all the honor His Divinity could.
That is why she was assumed into Heaven, and why she was preserved from sin from the first moment of her conception, to point to His glory.
Additionally, to suggest He spoke sharply to her rejects His Perfections because it means he violated the laws of His Father. Clearly there is something else going on here.
There is more to honor, though, and Catholics recognize that in His Perfections, Christ showered His mother with all the honor His Divinity could.
That is why she was assumed into Heaven, and why she was preserved from sin from the first moment of her conception, to point to His glory.
Additionally, to suggest He spoke sharply to her rejects His Perfections because it means he violated the laws of His Father. Clearly there is something else going on here.
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st_lucy
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I don’t understand are you saying that adults don’t have to obey their parents?
I find that hard to follow.
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Gamera
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“Obedience toward parents ceases with emancipation of the children; not so respect, which is always owed to them.” CCC 2217. A person need not obey their parents once they are emancipated. However, a person must continue to honor their parents regardless of age. For instance, God does not require me (a 41 year old man) to obey my parents, but God does require me to honor them — to love and respect them — regardless of my age or status.I don’t understand are you saying that adults don’t have to obey their parents?
I find that hard to follow.
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mlchance
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It’s actually rather simple. I, for example, am a 39-year-old married father of two. While I dearly love my mother and respect her for the sacrifices she made while I was growing, she is quite literally no longer the boss of me. If things were otherwise, I might not have married my wife, and I certainly wouldn’t have had my children baptized or been received into the Catholic Church.I don’t understand are you saying that adults don’t have to obey their parents?
I find that hard to follow.
To turn to the CCC (with emphasis added):
2217 As long as a child lives at home with his parents, the child should obey his parents in all that they ask of him when it is for his good or that of the family. "Children, obey your parents in everything, for this pleases the Lord."22 Children should also obey the reasonable directions of their teachers and all to whom their parents have entrusted them. But if a child is convinced in conscience that it would be morally wrong to obey a particular order, he must not do so.
As they grow up, children should continue to respect their parents. They should anticipate their wishes, willingly seek their advice, and accept their just admonitions. Obedience toward parents ceases with the emancipation of the children; not so respect, which is always owed to them. This respect has its roots in the fear of God, one of the gifts of the Holy Spirit.
– Mark L. Chance.
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cheddarsox
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I don’t believe he spoke sharply “to her” , he simply gave a rather sharp response when told his mother and sisters wanted him to come home.
I am not tryint to imply Jesus was not obedient to Mary, only that there were times when he did some things counter to her preference, because of the work he was doing for his Father.
I don’t know any other way to interpret his staying behind in the temple. She wished he had not done that, yet he did.
Mary is fully human, and perhaps there were times she did not fully understand why he needed to do all he did. That may only have been the situation when she was alive on earth.
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