Why was the Mass changed after Vatican II?

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I don’t think that Pope Paul VI envisioned the reform that we did get from his wanting to reform the church, In my opinion I think the church is not the same one I grew up in. And the change isn’t for the better. We have the Mass in English but I think the revised wording coming in November will be good. It seems to me that the church doesn’t take a stand on some important issues and is a little lax.

He was at least very aware of the Mass, and felt it was acceptable. Of course I wouldn’t decent from his opinion, even if I prefer the new upcoming reform of the Mass. I love the Latin, and like the new English, but what we’ve had since VII hasn’t ill served the Church.

What has, I suspect gets more to the core of what you might really have been talking about. All those “Spirit of Vatican II” folks who sought, and believed they had, to change the church in far more fundamental ways. This is not acceptable, we are not a new “modern” church, rather we are the same Church fully consistant with the fathers.

With regards to the changes in the church… Is it exactly the same church you grew up with? I doubt it, it never really is exactly the same is it? There will be some change always. I beleive however there are some area’s of improvement now being addressed.

1. Need for a more distint Catholic Christian culture, this is being addressed via more programs and…
2. Need for more fellowship oppertunities - The protestants aren’t fundamentally wrong about everything (just many theological points). Fellowship is an important part of the Christian life, the faith has always been about the community.
3. Resurgence of apologetics, however tempered with a less firy more uplifting attitude (though some of us lay folks need to work on that, me included in many cases).

I’d say the Church is different, perhaps worse in some ways… But I would argue in far more ways, better. After all, one has to admit… The church of yesteryear did some how allow the heresy of the Spirit of Vatican II to develop for decades (in fact), along with a lot of other nastyness we choose to allow go unnoticed. Perhaps we will now, not allow the same mistake to happen again?

Though Spanish is a descendant of Latin, many linguists and Latin scholars would disagree with you on that. Cognates don’t always mean more literal translations. Every language has its own nuances that stem from its history, culture, politics, and national borders. No translation is perfect and each seems to convey its own theology which we discussed under a different thread recently.

You are right with regards to any translation, and if you wanted to you can attempt to make this argument anytime you read any document in any language other than it’s source. Fact remains, the spanish got what we should have gotten to start with, and what we’re about to get now (finally).