Why Was The Prayer Of Saint Micheal Abandoned At The Conclusion Of Every Novus Ordo Mass

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centurionguard said:
I haven’t seen anyone yet come up with documentation revealing beyond unequivocal proof that Pope Leo’s XIII vision was fake.
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No one said the vision was “fake;” we said that it is a pious legend.
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“In 1934, a year after the appearance of the earliest printed version of the story, a German writer, Father Bers, tried to trace the origin of the story and declared that, though the story was widespread, nowhere could he find a trace of proof. Sources close to the institution of the prayer in 1886, including an account of a conversation with Pope Leo XIII about his decision, say nothing of the alleged vision. Father Bers concluded that the story was a later invention that was spreading like a virus.”*

According to this, the first printed appearance of the story was in 1933, some 50 years after the “fact.”

“This prayer, whose opening words are similar to the Alleluia verse for Saint Michael’s feasts on 8 May and 29 September in the Roman Missal of the time (which ran, “Sancte Michael, defende nos in proelio ut non pereamus in tremendo iudicio”), was added in 1886 to the Leonine Prayers that in 1884 Pope Leo XIII ordered to be said after Low Mass,** for the intention of obtaining a satisfactory solution to the problem that the loss of the Pope’s temporal sovereignty** caused in depriving him of the evident independence required for effective use of his spiritual authority.[2]”
 
TrueLight said:
The ones I tend to doubt most are the stories of Saints levitating.
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I agree. I gave up on the Dolorous Passion of Our Lord Jesus Christ when the writer (can’t remember her name) said that the cup that Jesus used at the Last Supper was used by Noah and his family on the ark. :rolleyes:
TrueLight said:
But nevertheless, I chose to believe that something real happened. It didn’t matter if it was real or not, because we do need to pray for St Michael’s intercession.
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It is a very good prayer, one that I like using, too. In short, in touches all the bases with me.
 
TrueLight said:
The ones I tend to doubt most are the stories of Saints levitating.

I tend to be skeptical anyway, so I did think maybe the Pope was having a stroke or something and that is why he imagined his talk with Satan. 😛

But nevertheless, I chose to believe that something real happened. It didn’t matter if it was real or not, because we do need to pray for St Michael’s intercession.

But to think something like this, that I have heard repeated over and over is an urban legend, is disturbing.
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TrueLight said:
The ones I tend to doubt most are the stories of Saints levitating.

I assume your speaking here about the Story of Saint Francis.
I don’t find it difficult to believe Saint Francis levitated in Contemplative Mystical Prayer between God and Saint Francis. If you took time to read the entire Omnibus stories of Saint Francis you just might change your views. And it wasn’t so much the Saints own power that enabled Saint Francis to levitate…it was the profound union of ineffable prayer that brought Saint Francis in that supernatural state of union between his soul and God Himself.
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Doesnt “Saint” come from the word “sanctus” meaning “holy”? Which, as is true many times in language, went from an adjective to a noun?

So wouldn’t it be more along the lines of “Holy Michael”
 
centurionguard said:
I assume your speaking here about the Story of Saint Francis.
I don’t find it difficult to believe Saint Francis levitated in Contemplative Mystical Prayer between God and Saint Francis. If you took time to read the entire Omnibus stories of Saint Francis you just might change your views. And it wasn’t so much the Saints own power that enabled Saint Francis to levitate…it was the profound union of ineffable prayer that brought Saint Francis in that supernatural state of union between his soul and God Himself.
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It wasn’t only Saint Francis. I read Saint Dominic levitated one time too and Saint Teresa Avila and St John of the Cross were said to levitate one time together. I found this quote on this site but I also read it elsewhere.
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On Trinity Sunday, 1573, the two saints were seated on opposite sides of the grille in the speakroom. Their intense conversation on the Trinity, combined with prayerful exhortation, was not interrupted when Teresa’s niece, Beatriz de Cepeda y Ocampo, entered the room.
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Before her eyes, Teresa was levitating, oblivious to her presence. Through the grille, she could see John of the Cross was also aloft, and even his chair! Such events of ecstasy were not uncommon for Teresa in her later years, who sometimes had to have her nuns hold her down when she began to levitate during public liturgies.
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Marie5890 said:
Doesnt “Saint” come from the word “sanctus” meaning “holy”? Which, as is true many times in language, went from an adjective to a noun?

So wouldn’t it be more along the lines of “Holy Michael”
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Yah. I started to write that, but I suspect Pro was teasing me.
 
TrueLight said:
I know. It’s kind of weird, but he is called a Saint. All I know is that Michael has my back. 🙂
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He’s popular in my family. My brother, my nephew, and my grandnephew all are Michaels. And my mother named the cat Michelle. 🙂
 
ProVobis said:
He’s popular in my family. My brother, my nephew, and my grandnephew all are Michaels. And my mother named the cat Michelle. 🙂
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I actually named my son Michael, after the same Saint Michael, although as a Protestant, I wasn’t calling him Saint then. I always had an affinity for him.
 
Marie5890 said:
Doesnt “Saint” come from the word “sanctus” meaning “holy”? Which, as is true many times in language, went from an adjective to a noun?

So wouldn’t it be more along the lines of “Holy Michael”
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In Polish it would be. święty 😉
 
Marie5890 said:
And how do you pronounce that?? 😃 (My grandmother was Polish).
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SHVYEN-TI (short i)

It takes different forms depending on use, similar to Latin. For example in the sign of the cross it would be:

W imie Ojca I Syna I Ducha Swietego (DOO-HA SHVYEN-TEG-OH)
 
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