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Harmony1988
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As the thread title asks.
Why was the prayer to St.Michael excluded from the mass in the 1960's?
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catharina
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The prayer to St. Michael was never a part of the Mass. It was prayed after Mass. Why that custom was discontinued, I don’t know.
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MrS
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apparently there is the most common(recognizable)version, and a longer, more exorcism, version not encouraged for the laity.
Did JPII just allow for, or recommend, the termination of the prayer for after Mass?
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Did JPII just allow for, or recommend, the termination of the prayer for after Mass?
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stbruno
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It is still recited at a parish in Wisconsin. I think it is up to the pastor to restore this wonderful devotion. I know it is printed in every missalette our parish has every used and I say it regularly, not because anyone told me to, just something that I have made a habit.
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It is also said after the daily mass (Mon-Sat) at my (NO) parish in Texas as well. That seems appropriate to me, as Pope Leo directed that it be said after Low Masses. I would agree that it’s probably up to each pastor to decide whether it should be said or not.
A lot of things like this might come about from personal initiative, so if you’d like to say it at your parish, ask the pastor if it’s OK and if he gives permission, ask him to make an announcement that the prayer will be said after mass. You might have to get up and lead the congregation the first few times before people say it automatically, unless the pastor decides that he’ll personally lead the parishioners in all the Leonine prayers.
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stmaria
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The Leonini prayers were suppressed but not abrogated in 1964. They can still be said after Mass. This directive came from the commission writing the New Mass in* Inter oecumenici* Some other changes were also introduced.
adoremus.org/Interoecumenici.html
i. The formulary for distributing holy communion is to be, Corpus Christi. As he says these words, the celebrant holds the host slightly above the ciborium and shows it to the communicant, who responds: Amen, then receives communion from the celebrant, the sign of the cross with the host being omitted.
j. The last gospel is omitted; the Leonine Prayers are suppressed.
No reason was ever given for the removal of the last Gospel or the Leonine prayers. Father Bugnini, one of the authors of the New mass simply states in his notes, “The final gospel is suppressed, as are the prayers that Leo XIII ordered to be recited after Mass.”
adoremus.org/Interoecumenici.html
i. The formulary for distributing holy communion is to be, Corpus Christi. As he says these words, the celebrant holds the host slightly above the ciborium and shows it to the communicant, who responds: Amen, then receives communion from the celebrant, the sign of the cross with the host being omitted.
j. The last gospel is omitted; the Leonine Prayers are suppressed.
No reason was ever given for the removal of the last Gospel or the Leonine prayers. Father Bugnini, one of the authors of the New mass simply states in his notes, “The final gospel is suppressed, as are the prayers that Leo XIII ordered to be recited after Mass.”
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Nordar
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We say it every morning when we say the Rosary after Mass!
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AJV
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The reason for the Last Gospel is that it occurs after “Ite Missa Est” and was originally a private devotion. For reasons you can look to accounts of the Lugano conference, 1953, where such things were proposed.
After low Mass, or more correctly, “private Mass”, therw were only two positions for intentions and prayers
If you think about it, why did Leo XIII not prescribe the recitation of these prayers after High Masses? Why were these prayers dispensed with for occasions of liturgical functions, Sunday parochial Masses, etc.? Surely for such an urgent need shouldn’t the prayer have been ordered for after *every *Mass? There was always a reluctance to add prayers after the Mass.
After low Mass, or more correctly, “private Mass”, therw were only two positions for intentions and prayers
- if they had collects (e.g. for the King, peace) they could be annexed to the collects of the Mass as commemorations. However, these were subject to the rubrics and could not always be said.
- they could be said after the Mass. This was because the Traditional Mass did not allow for the insertion of such in its structure - though these were in some places commonly annexed to the sermon at a parochial Mass or said after the Offertory.
If you think about it, why did Leo XIII not prescribe the recitation of these prayers after High Masses? Why were these prayers dispensed with for occasions of liturgical functions, Sunday parochial Masses, etc.? Surely for such an urgent need shouldn’t the prayer have been ordered for after *every *Mass? There was always a reluctance to add prayers after the Mass.
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markadm
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It was discontinued? Oh.
We pray it after every Low Mass.
We pray it after every Low Mass.
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markadm
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I don’t know what’s “wrong” with it, but I would say that if the Church advises that only Priests should say it we should stick to that. After all, exorcisms are not to be toyed with!
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Longer Version:
"O glorious Archangel St Michael, Prince of the heavenly host, defend us in battle, and in the struggle which is ours against the principalities and Powers, against the rulers of this world of darkness, against spirits of evil in high places (Eph 6:12). Come to the aid of men, whom God created immortal, made in his own image and likeness, and redeemed at a great price from the tyranny of the devil (Wis 2:23-24, 1 Cor 6:20).
Fight this day the battle of the Lord, together with the holy angels, as already thou hast fought the leader of the proud angels, Lucifer, and his apostate host, who were powerless to resist thee, nor was there place for them any longer in Heaven. But that cruel, that ancient serpent, who is called the devil or Satan, who seduces the whole world, was cast into the abyss with all his angels (Rev 12:7-9).
Behold, this primeval enemy and slayer of man has taken courage, Transformed into an angel of light, he wanders about with all the multitude of wicked spirits, invading the earth in order to blot out the name of God and of his Christ, to seize upon, slay and cast into eternal perdition souls destined for the crown of eternal glory. This wicked dragon pours out, as a most impure flood, the venom of his malice on men of depraved mind and corrupt heart, the spirit of lying, of impiety, of blasphemy, and the pestilent breath of impurity, and of every vice and iniquity.
These most crafty enemies have filled and inebriated with gall and bitterness the Church, the spouse of the Immaculate Lamb, and have laid impious hands on her most sacred possessions.
In the Holy Place itself, where has been set up the See of the most holy Peter and the Chair of Truth for the light of the world, they have raised the throne of their abominable impiety, with the iniquitous design that when the Pastor has been struck, the sheep may be scattered.
Arise then, O invincible prince, bring help against the attacks of the lost spirits to the people of God, and bring them the victory.
The Church venerates thee as protector and patron; in thee holy Church glories as her defense against the malicious powers of this world and of hell; to thee has God entrusted the souls of men to be established in heavenly beatitude.
Oh, pray to the God of peace that He may put Satan under our feet, so far conquered that he may no longer be able to hold men in captivity and harm the Church. Offer our prayers in the sight of the Most High, so that they may quickly conciliate the mercies of the Lord; and beating down the dragon, the ancient serpent, who is the devil and Satan, do thou again make him captive in the abyss, that he may no longer seduce the nations.
This prayer was replaced in 1902, a year and a half before the death of Pope Leo XIII, by a much shortened prayer:
O glorious Archangel St Michael, Prince of the heavenly host, defend us in battle, and in the struggle which is ours against the principalities and Powers, against the rulers of this world of darkness, against spirits of evil in high places (Eph 6:12). Come to the aid of men, whom God created immortal, made in his own image and likeness, and redeemed at a great price from the tyranny of the devil (Wis 2:23-24, 1 Cor 6:20).
The Church venerates thee as protector and patron; to thee has God entrusted the souls of men to be established in heavenly beatitude.
Oh, pray to the God of peace that He may put Satan under our feet, so far conquered that he may no longer be able to hold men in captivity and harm the Church. Offer our prayers in the sight of the Most High, so that they may quickly conciliate the mercies of the Lord; and beating down the dragon, the ancient serpent, who is the devil and Satan, do thou again make him captive in the abyss, that he may no longer seduce the nations."
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AJV
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The first part of the prayer is alright. The exorcism bit which uses imprecatory language I’m a bit wary of, although I have seen websites which say you can pray it while making the signs of the cross on yourself. If there is an official book or document which says it is ok, then I’m fine. Until then, I’m a bit hesitant since addressing the devil directly with imprecatory commands is dangerous for non-exorcists, IMO.
I remember sometime back when I had just joined the forum, Dr. Bombay, erstwhile poster on CAF, had likened it to rubbing yourself with raw meat and walking in front in a hungry lion
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itsjustdave1988
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itsjustdave1988
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No, the shorter version is encouraged.
In 1994, John Paul II, Servant of God****, encouraged the recitation of the Prayer to St. Michael to obtain help in battle against the forces of darkness:
"May prayer strengthen us for the spiritual battle we are told about in the Letter to the Ephesians, “Draw strength from the Lord and from his mighty power” (Eph 6 10). The Book of Revelation refers to this same battle recalling before our eyes the image of St. Michael the Archangel (Rev. 12:7). Pope Leo XIII certainly had a very vivid recollection of this scene when, at the end of the last century, he introduced a special prayer to St Michael throughout the Church. “St Michael the Archangel defend us in battle, be our safeguard against the wickedness and snares of the devil.” Although today this prayer is no longer recited at the end of Mass, I ask everyone not to forget it, and to recite it to obtain help in the battle against the forces of darkness and against the spirit of this world." [Pope John Paul II, *Regina Caeli, 24 April 1994]My Daily Roman Missal (Our Sunday Visitor, 6th ed., 2003) has the following prayer within the section entitled, “Prayers after Mass”:
Saint Michael the Archangel, defend us in battle; be our defense against the wickedness and snares of the devil. May God rebuke him, we humbly pray. And do you, O prince of the heavenly host, by the power of God thrust into hell Satan and all the evil spirits who prowl about the world for the ruin of souls. Amen.
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itsjustdave1988
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There are longer versions which do not have the imprecatory simple exorcism which Leo XIII wrote and approved. The simple exorcism of Leo XIII invokes St. Michael the archangel, but also has language in it which addresses satan and demons directly, for example:
“We drive you from us, whoever you may be, unclean spirits, all satanic powers… Most cunning serpent, you shall no more dare to deceive the human race…”, etc.
Prayers of this sort are contrary to current norms of the Church.
However, there are longer forms of the St. Michael Prayer which do not have language which address evil spirits directly. These prayers and those like them can be licitly prayed by the faithful.
For example, this long form does not directly address evil spirits:
"O glorious Archangel Saint Michael, Prince of the heavenly host, be our defense in the terrible warfare which we carry on against principalities and powers, against the rulers of this world of darkness, spirits of evil. Come to the aid of man, whom God created immortal, made in His own image and likeness, and redeemed at a great price from the tyranny of the devil. Fight this day the battle of our Lord, together with the holy angels, as already thou hast fought the leader of the proud angels, Lucifer, and his apostate host, who were powerless to resist thee, nor was there place for them any longer in heaven. That cruel, that ancient serpent, who is called the devil or Satan who seduces the whole world, was cast into the abyss with his angels.
Behold this primeval enemy and slayer of men has taken courage. Transformed into an angel of light, he wanders about with all the multitude of wicked spirits, invading the earth in order to blot out the Name of God and of His Christ, to seize upon, slay, and cast into eternal perdition, souls destined for the crown of eternal glory. That wicked dragon pours out, as a most impure flood, the venom of his malice on men of depraved mind and corrupt heart, the spirit of lying, of impiety, of blasphemy, and the pestilent breath of impurity, and of every vice and iniquity.
These most crafty enemies have filled and inebriated with gall and bitterness the Church, the spouse of the Immaculate Lamb, and have laid impious hands on Her most sacred possessions. In the Holy Place itself, where has been set up the See of the most holy Peter and the Chair of Truth for the light of the world, they have raised the throne of their abominable impiety with the iniquitous design that when the Pastor has been struck the sheep may be scattered. Arise then, O invincible Prince, bring help against the attacks of the lost spirits to the people of God, and give them the victory. They venerate thee as their protector and patron; in thee holy Church glories as her defense against the malicious powers of hell; to thee has God entrusted the souls of men to be established in heavenly beatitude. Oh, pray to the God of peace that He may put Satan under our feet, so far conquered that he may no longer be able to hold men in captivity and harm the Church. Offer our prayers in the sight of the Most High, so that they may quickly conciliate the mercies of the Lord; and beating down the dragon, the ancient serpent, who is the devil and Satan, do thou again make him captive in the abyss, that he may no longer seduce the nations. Amen.
V: Behold the Cross of the Lord; be scattered ye hostile powers.*
R:* The Lion of the Tribe of Juda has conquered the root of David.
V: Let Thy mercies be upon us, O Lord.
R: As we have hoped in Thee.
V: O Lord hear my prayer.*
R:* And let my cry come unto Thee.
V: Let us pray. O God, the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, we call upon Thy holy Name, and as suppliants, we implore Thy clemency, that by the intercession of Mary, ever Virgin, immaculate and our Mother, and of the glorious Archangel Saint Michael, Thou wouldst deign to help us against Satan and all other unclean spirits, who wander about the world for the injury of the human race and the ruin of our souls. Amen."
I believe that such prayers after mass are still allowed. However, they are optional devotions.Behold this primeval enemy and slayer of men has taken courage. Transformed into an angel of light, he wanders about with all the multitude of wicked spirits, invading the earth in order to blot out the Name of God and of His Christ, to seize upon, slay, and cast into eternal perdition, souls destined for the crown of eternal glory. That wicked dragon pours out, as a most impure flood, the venom of his malice on men of depraved mind and corrupt heart, the spirit of lying, of impiety, of blasphemy, and the pestilent breath of impurity, and of every vice and iniquity.
These most crafty enemies have filled and inebriated with gall and bitterness the Church, the spouse of the Immaculate Lamb, and have laid impious hands on Her most sacred possessions. In the Holy Place itself, where has been set up the See of the most holy Peter and the Chair of Truth for the light of the world, they have raised the throne of their abominable impiety with the iniquitous design that when the Pastor has been struck the sheep may be scattered. Arise then, O invincible Prince, bring help against the attacks of the lost spirits to the people of God, and give them the victory. They venerate thee as their protector and patron; in thee holy Church glories as her defense against the malicious powers of hell; to thee has God entrusted the souls of men to be established in heavenly beatitude. Oh, pray to the God of peace that He may put Satan under our feet, so far conquered that he may no longer be able to hold men in captivity and harm the Church. Offer our prayers in the sight of the Most High, so that they may quickly conciliate the mercies of the Lord; and beating down the dragon, the ancient serpent, who is the devil and Satan, do thou again make him captive in the abyss, that he may no longer seduce the nations. Amen.
V: Behold the Cross of the Lord; be scattered ye hostile powers.*
R:* The Lion of the Tribe of Juda has conquered the root of David.
V: Let Thy mercies be upon us, O Lord.
R: As we have hoped in Thee.
V: O Lord hear my prayer.*
R:* And let my cry come unto Thee.
V: Let us pray. O God, the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, we call upon Thy holy Name, and as suppliants, we implore Thy clemency, that by the intercession of Mary, ever Virgin, immaculate and our Mother, and of the glorious Archangel Saint Michael, Thou wouldst deign to help us against Satan and all other unclean spirits, who wander about the world for the injury of the human race and the ruin of our souls. Amen."
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catharina
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From a Catholic site, here is the prayer to St. Michael that was siad by THE PRIEST after Low Mass between 1886 and the 1960s:
“St. Michael the Archangel, defend us in battle! Be our protection against the wickedness and snares of the devil. May God rebuke him, we humbly pray, and do thou, O Prince of the heavenly host, by the power of God, cast into Hell, Satan, and all the other evil spirits who roam about the world seeking the ruin of souls.”
It was not prayed by the parishoners. It was prayed by the priest.
“St. Michael the Archangel, defend us in battle! Be our protection against the wickedness and snares of the devil. May God rebuke him, we humbly pray, and do thou, O Prince of the heavenly host, by the power of God, cast into Hell, Satan, and all the other evil spirits who roam about the world seeking the ruin of souls.”
It was not prayed by the parishoners. It was prayed by the priest.
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SFD
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Prayer to St. Michael from Exorcism against Satan and the Apostate Angels (Approved 18 May 1890.)
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SFD
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This is wrong. It is in all lay Missals. It says “priest and people” say the prayer. The 1945 missal has it…I’m looking at it right now.
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