Why was Vatican 2 passed?

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stpurl said:
It is really still too early to make any kind of final judgments. The Church has been around for 2000 years; something that occurred only 50 or so years ago is still evolving and being worked out.
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Absolutely… Vatican 2 is still being examined, and the texts of the documents are still being implemented . Much of the pontificates of Paul VI, John Paul II and Benedict XVI was devoted to making sure that the Church remained faithful to its texts—while ruling out falsehoods and mis-interpretations that were outside of them.

Similarly, the texts of the Council of Trent were also heavily criticized and mis-interpreted for many decades.

The Church continues, as she has always been, to entrust herself in the care of the Holy Spirit to remain faithful to Christ.
 
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The Novus Ordo Mass is still a sacrifice but it isn’t as obvious compared to the Taditional Roman Mass.

And this is a drawback.
 
StudentMI said:
If interested in reading about the council I recommend two books.

The Second Vatican Council: An Unwritten Story By Roberto de Matteo
The Second Vatican Ecumenical Council by Agostino Marchetto

And for an overview of changes afterwards, Iota Unum by Romano Amerio
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If you want a Catholic perspective on the Council, suggest:

Read the documents themselves first.

Read books that have an Imprimatur, (I’m not familar with the books mentioned) or websites affiliated with the Catholic Church. Many websites quoted on CAF are not affiliated with the Catholic Church.
 
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Why are there so many of same kind of threads on Vatican 2? Most posts ask the same basic questions, over and over and over. They have all been answered.

It is what it is. It’s been clarified many times. It recognized some developments since V1, did not foresee some other developments after its time. It’s not going to change.

Today the Church is still influenced by V2, and still influenced a lot by Trent. But the world has changed more since V2 than it did between Trent and V2. Why is there so much fixation on V2 (and not on contemporary 2020 secular humanism, prolife, Evangelism, opportunities/problems,) on actions 2020 individuals can take in 2020?

Why so few threads with practical information individuals can act on? The problem with Monday Morning Quarterbacks is they are distracted from taking personal actions for Monday’s challenges.

I think a lot of this unproductive pot stirring is to generate money for certain websites.
 
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JacobF said:
Mary and the saints are pretty much not even mentioned during the modern Mass. In the Latin Mass, there are many prayers dedicated to them.
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That’s simply not true. Neither thing is. Mary and the saints are mentioned in every single Eucharistic prayer in the new Mass. And they have their feast days too.

And in the old rite the prayers are all addressed to God the Father, and there aren’t prayers to Mary and the saints at all.

I offer the Latin Mass. I love to offer it. I think it should become more widespread. But let’s argue for it in an informed and effective way. Otherwise you only hurt the case for it.

-Fr ACEGC
 
Which are not prayers directed toward the saints, but commemorations of them. And those are found in the new Mass as well.

I’ve offered Mass about 2000 times. You’d think I’d know what was in it.
 

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This kinda new and interesting for me. Trent that most of time being advocated as a “counter” against ecumenism, but here we see that the Holy See inviting them for dialog. Now, we just need to see other documents that show they actually came or even barely interested for it.
 
JacobF said:
Mary and the saints are pretty much not even mentioned during the modern Mass. In the Latin Mass, there are many prayers dedicated to them. You’re correct that Vatican II did not remove the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass. When the new Mass was composed, after Vatican II, they removed the notion of sacrifice.
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I see that Fr Edward has already addressed this fully.
 
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In response to the claim that the new Mass doesn’t have the notion of sacrifice in it, check out this excerpt from the post-consecratory prayers in Eucharistic Prayer III:
Therefore, O Lord,
as we celebrate the memorial
of the saving Passion of your Son,
his wondrous Resurrection
and Ascension into heaven,
and as we look forward to his second coming,
we offer you in thanksgiving
this holy and living sacrifice.
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Look, we pray,
upon the oblation of your Church
and, recognizing the sacrificial Victim
by whose death you willed to reconcile us to yourself,
grant that we,
who are nourished by the Body and Blood of your Son and filled with his Holy Spirit,
may become one body, one spirit in Christ.
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May he make of us
an eternal offering to you,
so that we may obtain an inheritance with your elect,
especially with the most Blessed Virgin Mary, Mother of God,
with blessed Joseph, her Spouse,
with your blessed Apostles and glorious Martyrs
(with Saint N.: the Saint of the day or Patron Saint)
and with all the Saints,
on whose constant intercession in your presence
we rely for unfailing help.
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May this Sacrifice of our reconciliation,
we pray, O Lord,
advance the peace and salvation of all the world.
Be pleased to confirm in faith and charity
your pilgrim Church on earth,
with your servant Francis our Pope
and N. our Bishop, [and his assistant Bishops]
the Order of Bishops, all the clergy,
and the entire people you have gained for your own.
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