Why wasn't it a sin when Jesus

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…stayed behind at the temple without telling his mother and Joseph? I would think that if an ordinary child did this, it would be at least venially sinful, if only because it was an inconsiderate thing to do.
I think the better question is why did it take so long for mom and dad to realize they lost their son, the Savior of the world?

I am kidding, of course.

I did read some comments on here about my all-time-favorite book on Christ, Life of Christ, by A.B. Fulton Sheen. God bless him. When he is finally canonized, he will be my Patron Saint.

God love you,

Travis Dover
 
I think the better question is why did it take so long for mom and dad to realize they lost their son, the Savior of the world?

I am kidding, of course.

I did read some comments on here about my all-time-favorite book on Christ, Life of Christ, by A.B. Fulton Sheen. God bless him. When he is finally canonized, he will be my Patron Saint.

God love you,

Travis Dover
Haha. I know, Mary must have really been kicking herself over that one - “Oh my gosh, I lost the Messiah. This does NOT look good!” 🙂
 
Sorry, if I misplaced it, the mods can move it.

Yes, but even if he didn’t lie or disobey his parents, he HAD to know that they would be worried sick, unless he honestly thought that they would know where he was.
I worry because I do not trust in God, not because of something He does to MAKE me worry. Same with Jesus, they worried because of their own human weakness, not because of something Jesus did - His answer to them tells us that.
 
Are you kidding me? I am in no way implying that Jesus was a sinner, nor am I questioning holy scripture. I am looking for an honest answer as to WHY this was not a sin! For Catholics, the age of reason is 7, the point at which you should know the difference. Etween right and wrong. For any NORMAL 12 year old child, disappearing for 3 days without telling your parents where you were going would clearly be wrong, and most 12 year olds would know better.

So the question remains: since we know that Jesus was sinless, WHY was this not a sin?
First of all, I’d like to say that this is an excellent question. If we don’t encourage questions, discussion and debate, then what is this forum for if nothing other than a lesson on Canon Law… BigDave. We can read all about the rules and catechism teachings in other places, but this forum is supposed to be for this type of question.

No one is saying here that Jesus was a sinner, but questioning Why this was not a sin is a great question, so consider this;

Jesus at 12 years old was obviously very knowledgable and as scripture says was “full of Wisdom”, just like Mary was “full of Grace”. After a long journey into Jerusalem on foot, the first thing they would have noticed would be loads of people from all over the region setting up camp and finding accomodations to celebrate the holiday. There were musicians, merchants, families, all different Jewish sects in a Roman occupied city. Along with all this, remember that Mary and Joseph would have most likely traveled with a large group of family and friends. Once they arrived in the city, it would be difficult to keep tabs on everyone in their party. Just think how hard it is for us going to a theme park with just a few people, never mind a large family with NO cell phone or method of communication. Imagine the chaos, and imagine a young boy with an incredible theological mind being drawn to the people and particularly the temple. In the temple is where he would find like minded thinkers and teachers of the law of Moses. Regardless of that, I believe the group stayed together for the whole celebration of Passover. They performed all the customary rituals and participated in the prayers and offerings and kept the law perfectly as required. But just as it is on any retreat, there was “free” time set aside to explore the great city of Jerusalem, and a 12 year old would have been afforded a certain degree of freedom that would be more restricted today.

With that in mind, as Jesus being “full of wisdom” began his discourse with the Jewish Rabbi’s, he would have become immersed in that dialog and was taking the opportunity to lay the foundation for the coming Kingdom of God. Being that these great “Doctors” of the jewish faith were astonished by his teaching, we can only conclude that time just raced by for everyone present listening and learning from this little Holy one. Mary and Joseph packed up with the whole group and set off on their journey. Jesus didn’t realize they were gone and they didn’t realize he wasn’t there because of the sheer number of people and the chaos I mentioned above. This type of family activity really must have been fun and exciting. I bet they really looked forward to this trip to Jerusalem by cooking, packing, saving and planning for it the whole year.

Now at one point, we have to conclude that during this time, the child Jesus knew that he had been left in Jerusalem. This is why scripture says he “stayed behind”, he did not go after them, or try to send a message to them (if that were possible). He just stayed at the Temple, at his Father’s house, and while he was there would be about his Father’s work (building the future Kingdom of God). It was three days that Mary and Joseph were searching for him and they must have looked everywhere BUT the Temple. This is why Jesus says “How is it that you sought me?”, in other words, “why didn’t you look for me here, where you must have known I would be?” Don’t forget, Mary and Joseph are the parents, not Jesus. He is wondering why they didn’t know how or where to find him, which is why it appears in this scripture that he is agitated. Further, when Jesus says “did you not know, that I would be about my Father’s business?”, Mary and Joseph did not understand, but Mary kept this in her heart, just like she did after the annuciation by the Angel that she would be the mother of God. Things were starting to come together for her, but she still needed to “keep them in her heart” to ponder, digest and come to grips with the knowledge that her son would be man’s redeemer. This was a great learning experience for her and for us, to understand the historical nature of Christ’s life as well as how the holy family relates to us in today’s world. The story touches us and lifts our hearts to fall in love with tradition, heritage, family and ultimately Christ himself.

No there was definately no sin. Not a chance, in fact; I hope that what I’ve written here shows why Christ’s whole life and missionary zeal proves just the opposite.
 
First of all, I’d like to say that this is an excellent question. If we don’t encourage questions, discussion and debate, then what is this forum for if nothing other than a lesson on Canon Law… BigDave. We can read all about the rules and catechism teachings in other places, but this forum is supposed to be for this type of question.

No one is saying here that Jesus was a sinner, but questioning Why this was not a sin is a great question, so consider this;

Jesus at 12 years old was obviously very knowledgable and as scripture says was “full of Wisdom”, just like Mary was “full of Grace”. After a long journey into Jerusalem on foot, the first thing they would have noticed would be loads of people from all over the region setting up camp and finding accomodations to celebrate the holiday. There were musicians, merchants, families, all different Jewish sects in a Roman occupied city. Along with all this, remember that Mary and Joseph would have most likely traveled with a large group of family and friends. Once they arrived in the city, it would be difficult to keep tabs on everyone in their party. Just think how hard it is for us going to a theme park with just a few people, never mind a large family with NO cell phone or method of communication. Imagine the chaos, and imagine a young boy with an incredible theological mind being drawn to the people and particularly the temple. In the temple is where he would find like minded thinkers and teachers of the law of Moses. Regardless of that, I believe the group stayed together for the whole celebration of Passover. They performed all the customary rituals and participated in the prayers and offerings and kept the law perfectly as required. But just as it is on any retreat, there was “free” time set aside to explore the great city of Jerusalem, and a 12 year old would have been afforded a certain degree of freedom that would be more restricted today.

With that in mind, as Jesus being “full of wisdom” began his discourse with the Jewish Rabbi’s, he would have become immersed in that dialog and was taking the opportunity to lay the foundation for the coming Kingdom of God. Being that these great “Doctors” of the jewish faith were astonished by his teaching, we can only conclude that time just raced by for everyone present listening and learning from this little Holy one. Mary and Joseph packed up with the whole group and set off on their journey. Jesus didn’t realize they were gone and they didn’t realize he wasn’t there because of the sheer number of people and the chaos I mentioned above. This type of family activity really must have been fun and exciting. I bet they really looked forward to this trip to Jerusalem by cooking, packing, saving and planning for it the whole year.

Now at one point, we have to conclude that during this time, the child Jesus knew that he had been left in Jerusalem. This is why scripture says he “stayed behind”, he did not go after them, or try to send a message to them (if that were possible). He just stayed at the Temple, at his Father’s house, and while he was there would be about his Father’s work (building the future Kingdom of God). It was three days that Mary and Joseph were searching for him and they must have looked everywhere BUT the Temple. This is why Jesus says “How is it that you sought me?”, in other words, “why didn’t you look for me here, where you must have known I would be?” Don’t forget, Mary and Joseph are the parents, not Jesus. He is wondering why they didn’t know how or where to find him, which is why it appears in this scripture that he is agitated. Further, when Jesus says “did you not know, that I would be about my Father’s business?”, Mary and Joseph did not understand, but Mary kept this in her heart, just like she did after the annuciation by the Angel that she would be the mother of God. Things were starting to come together for her, but she still needed to “keep them in her heart” to ponder, digest and come to grips with the knowledge that her son would be man’s redeemer. This was a great learning experience for her and for us, to understand the historical nature of Christ’s life as well as how the holy family relates to us in today’s world. The story touches us and lifts our hearts to fall in love with tradition, heritage, family and ultimately Christ himself.

No there was definately no sin. Not a chance, in fact; I hope that what I’ve written here shows why Christ’s whole life and missionary zeal proves just the opposite.
What a WONDERFUL analysis! This makes perfect sense to me. Thank you for taking the time to write it out 🙂
 
I think the better question is why did it take so long for mom and dad to realize they lost their son, the Savior of the world?

I am kidding, of course.
I’ve always thought that was a case of “Wait, I thought he was with you.” “I thought he was with you!” which sometimes happens between parents when a kid goes astray in a shopping mall/grocery store/etc.
 
I allway thought of it as saying Jesus was a adolescent too, that he a had a spirit that couldn’t be contained or understood by human standards not even his parents. What ever he was doing it sounds “rebelious” but what he was really doing obviously teaching the teachers, or talking to the teachers. But why would Jesus be in such a “controversial” situation he was more concerned with God’s will then his parents.

“from that day on he obeyed his parents” maybe its to show his child like innocence in serving God, he simply just didn’t think he was doing anything wrong. Or else why would they say that he corrected his behavior, why does God have to correct his behavior if he is perfect without sin etc. Maybe its as simple as showing his human side.
Like when he prayed that he wouldn’t have to go through the suffering in the garden, but that not he wanted but the father wanted so again, he shows human weakness by saying he doesn’t want to go through what he is about to go through, but shows God’s strenght in overcoming the weakness of flesh.

Maybe Jesus as a boy grew up that day because he learned he had to obey his parents and that was a sign of his maturity. From maybe a point of view of not understanding the what really happened in this story it sounds exactly like he was showing disrespect to his parents. Why would anyone tell this story that contradicts our understanding of Jesus?

Its a stumbling block because you can’t ignore the fact that it troubles you inside everytime you read it. Maybe thats the point this story makes you think, did he do anything wrong? if he corrected his behavior then did he ahve behavior to correct, that needed correcting? Whats the wholestory just at face value it sounds like a an adolescent exploring their adulthood their freedom as growing into a man. Maybe it was a mark going from childlike understanding to a more mature understanding? Is it a sin that God had to learn a lesson? Didn’t Joseph teach him to be a carpenter? Didn’t he learn from his mother and stepfather just like all of us learn when we are growing up? Maybe it is an example for all to see how a truely good adolescent behaves and what is acceptable behavior for adolescents?

Who knows someone probablly knows, but for now we are stuck figuring it out togeather.

Like everything in the bible the meaning is probablly right there, straitforward but also full mystical prophesy lesson and not put there on a whim, but because it was a verry important in all their lives and a verry important lesson for the world that is not just a whim but a truely deep but face value meaning??? Who knows
 
“from that day on he obeyed his parents” maybe its to show his child like innocence in serving God, he simply just didn’t think he was doing anything wrong. Or else why would they say that he corrected his behavior, why does God have to correct his behavior if he is perfect without sin etc. Maybe its as simple as showing his human side.
I don’t know what translation you’re using, but the passage does NOT say “from that day on he obeyed his parents”. Rather, it states:
“And he went down with them, and came to Nazareth, and was subject to them. And his mother kept all these words in her heart.”

In context, the entire chapter of Luke 2 discusses Jesus’ care by His parents and His growth… being subject to them does not mean they rebuked Him for doing wrong, but rather that He was their child, just and obedient, and they were his parents raising Him in wisdom and faith.
 
Along with all this, remember that Mary and Joseph would have most likely traveled with a large group of family and friends. Once they arrived in the city, it would be difficult to keep tabs on everyone in their party. Just think how hard it is for us going to a theme park with just a few people, never mind a large family with NO cell phone or method of communication. Imagine the chaos, and imagine a young boy with an incredible theological mind being drawn to the people and particularly the temple.
This is exactly correct, and you beat me to the punch. Pascha (Passover) was a solemn duty to all the Jews, and they ALL travelled to Jerusalem EVERY year for the sacrificial feast. Add to that the fact that families and friends lived in VERY near proximity back in that time, and what you end up with is Mary and Joseph travelling in a LARGE group with every person they know in order to fulfill their duties as Jews. Elizabeth and John the Baptist were likely in this crowd, along with all of Joseph’s family and friends, their entire synagogue, etc.

We must also remember that back then, children were a duty to be cared for by entire communities, not just by the parents and a few chosen caretakers like today… babysitting services were in short supply! Ergo it would not be a reasonable assumption by Joseph and Mary that Jesus had simply remained with the group throughout the whole trip, and was merely off with the other children of their family and community. Under that assumption, it was fairly reasonable that when they and the hundreds if not thousands they travelled with went to leave, that they would assume Jesus had stayed with His community members and was somewhere with the group in the throngs of people… not a good assumption when your Child is the Son of God and is at the temple with an opportunity to converse with HIS priests and rabbis (we must remember at the time, the Jewish leaders were Jesus’ covenential leaders!)… but still an excusable assumption given society at the time.

The reality is that Jesus was talking in the temple, not merely playing with the other children from their community… He was “about His Father’s work” the whole time He was in Jerusalem and so He wasn’t with the other children when the community packed up to leave and go home.

Add to that, the tradition in Jerusalem during pascha was to build a hut (for Elijah to stay in with the family), and Jesus would have come to this hut every night to sleep with his family… thus at the end of the day of TRAVEL, when Mary and Joseph set up their domicile, THAT is when Jesus would have been expected to find His parents and stay with them over night, and that is when He didn’t show up, causing Mary and Joseph to realize that He was missing from the entire group.

It’s all really not too hard to understand how Mary and Joseph’s assumptions were reasonable granted their society and the fact that Jesus was incarnate in human form… they often must have forgotten that He was God and not JUST their child… especially after raising Him from a defenseless baby! In this case, it was not Jesus disobediently staying in the temple, but rather a misunderstanding of Joseph and Mary’s assumptions about jewish child behavior and Christ’s ACTUAL behavior. No one is at fault, any more than any child sins when they are lost or separated from their parents after getting into a large crowd.

Jesus’ words to them are twofold:
  1. Did you not understand that while we are in Jerusalem I would be involved with the temple rather than with play?
  2. Having lost me, did you not realize immediately that rather than being with the other children, I would have been at the Temple and stayed there since it is my Father’s house?
 
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