Why wasn't Mary a Priest?

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I once read one time that the Descent of the Holy Spirit was when the Apostles were “officially” made bishops by God, and had the powers of bishops. The author then stated that since the fire descended upon Mary as well, she was made a bishop too. Is there a false assumption here? I know that women can’t be priests, so what am I missing?
 
aball1035 said:
I once read one time that the Descent of the Holy Spirit was when the Apostles were “officially” made bishops by God, and had the powers of bishops. The author then stated that since the fire descended upon Mary as well, she was made a bishop too. Is there a false assumption here? I know that women can’t be priests, so what am I missing?
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Obviously this is false. The Holy Spirit does not always make someone a bishop. There are other sacraments where we are filled with the Spirit.

I had a teacher who once said she though of Mary as the first priest because she made Christ present to the world. That may well have been true in the sense that we all share in the priesthood of believers. But the ministerial priesthood is reserved for men.
 
Take a look at John 20:19-23, Acts 1:8, 23-25, and in general all of Acts 2, especially v.14. The repeated references are to the Apostles, the Twelve, Peter and the Eleven, and so on. There is absolute not the slightest indication that Mary was there at all, much less that she was imbued with the episcopate. And although in Acts 1:14 Mary is there, by the end of the chapter the question is, who will take the apostolic ministry abandoned by Judas and be counted along with the Eleven? The lot falls to Matthias.

Also, if Mary had become a bishop, it would have been impossible for St. Paul to write 1 Tim. 2:12 or 3:1-7.
 
Adam, if he were to remain innocent, would have sacrificed his life (Eve) and become a living testimony against the serpent ( and Eve). By giving up his life he would have gained it. Adam would have offered sacrifice for the forgiveness of sin. Jesus offers sacrifice for the forgiveness of sins. Priests act persona Christi ,the second Adam.

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aball1035 said:
I once read one time that the Descent of the Holy Spirit was when the Apostles were “officially” made bishops by God, and had the powers of bishops. The author then stated that since the fire descended upon Mary as well, she was made a bishop too. Is there a false assumption here? I know that women can’t be priests, so what am I missing?
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Youre not missing anything; but the author is. Hes either lying or horribly mistaken.
The first bishops (and of course: priests) were the Twelve who were consecrated by our Lord at the Last Supper.

Acts 1:15-26, when Matthias is selected to replace Judas, occurs before Pentecost.

The Church is the Bride of Christ.
Christ is the Bridegroom.
Through the Mass and the Sacraments, Christ the Bridegroom gives Life to His Bride.
The priest takes the place of the Bridegroom.
A woman CANNOT take the place of the Bridegroom: only a man can do that.
Apart from being invalid: a “marital” “embrace” between a “priestess” and the Bride would be - as one speaker called it - Liturgical Lesbianism. Radical feminists notwithstanding!

Priesthood is also Spiritual Fatherhood.

A bishop is supposed to be a (male) Shepherd. Our Lord said to Peter to tend and feed His lambs and sheep.
 
The Apostles were not made Bishops at Pentecost! They were ordained with the fullness of Holy Orders at the Last Supper. That is when they were made Bishops.

However, even after seeing Jesus resurrected and His ascension into Heaven, they were still cowardly and hid away in the upper room, along with Mary and other holy women.

They received the Holy Spirit at Pentecost and an overflowing of the supernatural virtues, including Fortitude, which enabled them to start openly preaching about Jesus.

Anyone thinking that it was the descent of the Holy Spirit that ordained them in totally mistaken.
 
Joan_M said:
The Apostles were not made Bishops at Pentecost! They were ordained with the fullness of Holy Orders at the Last Supper. That is when they were made Bishops.

However, even after seeing Jesus resurrected and His ascension into Heaven, they were still cowardly and hid away in the upper room, along with Mary and other holy women.

They received the Holy Spirit at Pentecost and an overflowing of the supernatural virtues, including Fortitude, which enabled them to start openly preaching about Jesus.

Anyone thinking that it was the descent of the Holy Spirit that ordained them in totally mistaken.
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This is correct as a matter of Church teaching, see Lumen Gentium 18-22. However, for responding to Protestants and others who would reject Church teaching, i.e. people who might think that bishops were instituted at Pentecost, it’s worth being able to refute the alleged episcopacy of Mary as totally unscriptural, and in fact anti-scriptural, as well.

By the way, I forgot in my previous post to mention, on a related note, John 20:16-19. Mary Magdalene sees the risen Christ, but he sends her away to gather the apostles, who then meet in the locked room where Jesus appears to them. Jesus forbids Mary Magdalene to touch him, “for I have not yet ascended to the Father,” in v.17, but invites Thomas to do so in v.27 a week later. So anyone who wanted to argue for the episcopacy of Mary Magdalene has kind of a hard time also: “Uh, please don’t touch me. In fact, go round up the boys.”
 
MarkThompson said:
Take a look at John 20:19-23, Acts 1:8, 23-25, and in general all of Acts 2, especially v.14. The repeated references are to the Apostles, the Twelve, Peter and the Eleven, and so on. There is absolute not the slightest indication that Mary was there at all, much less that she was imbued with the episcopate. And although in Acts 1:14 Mary is there, by the end of the chapter the question is, who will take the apostolic ministry abandoned by Judas and be counted along with the Eleven?
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So the question is, is the “they” of Acts 2:1 speaking of only Matthias and the Eleven (cf. Acts 1:26), or of “the brethren” which included “the women and Mary the mother of Jesus”, about 120 people (Acts 1:14-15)?

I think it was the latter (all 120 of them) because Acts 1:14-26, although being about the selection of a new 12th Apostle, is done in the presence of all 120 brethren.
 
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So the question is, is the “they” of Acts 2:1 speaking of only Matthias and the Eleven (cf. Acts 1:26), or of “the brethren” which included “the women and Mary the mother of Jesus”, about 120 people (Acts 1:14-15)?

I think it was the latter (all 120 of them) because Acts 1:14-26, although being about the selection of a new 12th Apostle, is done in the presence of all 120 brethren.
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I don’t know this is a fair conclusion. The action in Chapter 2 commences “[w]hen the time for Pentecost was fulfilled,” and there’s no particular reason to think that this was, you know, half an hour after the selection in the previous chapter. Biblical text is a lot looser with the use of pronouns than English, so it’s not a necessary conclusion that the word “they” must refer to the last collection of people mentioned.

At any rate, even if it were the case that all 120 people from Chapter 1 “began to speak in different tongues,” that only serves to put in starker relief the fact that in 2:14 it is Peter and the Eleven who stand up to explain to the masses the message of Pentecost, and that in 2:37 it is to “Peter and the other apostles” that the masses turn for spiritual direction, asking, “What are we to do, my brothers?” In vv. 42-43 we hear that the newly baptized “devoted themselves to the teaching of the apostles,” and that “many wonders and signs were done through the apostles.” In other words, this simply emphasizes the definitive truth, explained in Lumen Gentium, that it was not the tongues of fire at Pentecost that instituted the episcopacy.
 
So what was the meaning or what “happened” during the Descent of the Holy Spirit?
 
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In other words, this simply emphasizes the definitive truth, explained in Lumen Gentium, that it was not the tongues of fire at Pentecost that instituted the episcopacy.
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Oh, I certainly agree that it was not Pentecost which made the Apostles bishops. I’m just saying it’s possible that there were more than just 12 people in the room. When Peter speaks in Acts 2:17-18 (quoting the prophet Joel), he mentions the Spirit being poured out into “daughters” and “maidservants”.
 
Because Mary is a woman. A woman is invalid matter for the priesthood.
 
Originally Posted by japhy
So the question is, is the “they” of Acts 2:1 speaking of only Matthias and the Eleven (cf. Acts 1:26), or of “the brethren” which included “the women and Mary the mother of Jesus”, about 120 people (Acts 1:14-15)?
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I think it was the latter (all 120 of them) because Acts 1:14-26, although being about the selection of a new 12th Apostle, is done in the presence of all 120 brethren.
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Japhy is right… it is all of them. Acts 2:1 speaks that they were all together. While not everyone there cast lots, the 120 were present AT the election of Matheus (at least in the next room) and those who were in 2:1 were already there in 1:14-26.

There is no indication that there is a separation of the 12 from the others. While the focus stays on the 12 MEN, the others don’'t suddenly disappear or go away without explanation.

I’m too tired to refute the supposed “andres adelphoi” argument, but it’s weak.😃
 
If Mary, or ANY other one of Jesus’ female followers were at the Last Supper (WHICH WAS THE FIRST MASS) Believe me, Christ would’ve, in his authority given from God the Father would have instituted ‘priestess’. But since it wasn’t in the plan of Salvation it isn’t. The Eucharist was instituted by THE priest (Jesus Christ) For Priests to give them to the nations. This is among the many things that separate a Priest from an ordinary person: Having the Divine, and highest of all honors to touch the Body of Christ. Amen.
 
Pentecost is equivalent to confirmation

even if there were female disciples during Pentecost, that didn’t equate to them becoming priests/bishops. its just the same as them receiving Confirmation today, being sealed in the Holy Spirit
 
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