Why we need conservative, pro-life Supreme Court Justices

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Rulings such as this are precisely why I plan to vote for Trump, however much I may dislike his attitude towards the coronavirus, or his manner and deportment in general.

If Biden is elected, you may be absolutely sure that liberal, pro-choice, possibly even anti-Catholic justices will be nominated, and if the Senate shifts to the Democrats, they will be approved.
 
And not just pro birth…also pro life requires needed is push back on capital punishment, euthanasia and for food, housing, medical care for the impoverished.
 
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It goes far beyond this. Hoping that we can get the right 9 justices onto the Supreme Court is not going to protect our rights. We need conservative legislators and a President who believes in the Constitution as written, and will pass laws in concert with the Constitution and the principles upon which it stands.
 
I’m not saying you should or shouldn’t vote for President Trump, and I agree we need conservative justices, but, here’s the thing: The Conservative Judges we have, with a few exceptions, have been a bit of a disappointment. Look at the recent transgender ruling, as an example. It would not have been so bad if they would have ACTUALLY ENFORCED THE PART OF TITLE VII that prohibited discrimination on religious belief. Title VII of the Civil Rights Act of 1964
 
Rulings such as this are precisely why I plan to vote for Trump, however much I may dislike his attitude towards the coronavirus, or his manner and deportment in general.

If Biden is elected, you may be absolutely sure that liberal, pro-choice, possibly even anti-Catholic justices will be nominated, and if the Senate shifts to the Democrats, they will be approved.
What if previous rulings on abortion, under the US Constitution, were correct? At the very least you are calling for ‘activist judges’. At worse you are seeking partiality in judges. Either option is wrong.

It is better to change laws on abortion than to try to stack the courts with friendly judges.
 
Agree, but it at least puts emphasis on our personal responsibility to perform our civic duty faithfully.
Good point, but I see passing the responsibility to put legal restrictions on abortion to elected officials and courts as playing into the creation of a nanny state.

Legislative and judicial action does not excuse the lack of personal responsibility…why the abortion problem? Because it is legal? I don’t think so. I think it’s a failure of parents from teaching morality to their sons and daughters, the breakdown of families which cause loss of opportunity for teaching morality to young people, and general selfishness of men and women of child rearing age to consider the sanctity of life.
 
These recent cases stand for the opposite of the idea that a president can (or needs to) change the composition of the court with one or two picks. Both of the decisions in favor of religious institutions were 7-2. In the abortion decision only one justice (Thomas) said he would vote to overturn Roe and Casey. Religious freedom is not hanging by a thread, and illegalizing abortion is not one vote away. Both are just scare tactics that both parties use to rile up the base.
 
These recent cases stand for the opposite of the idea that a president can (or needs to) change the composition of the court with one or two picks. Both of the decisions in favor of religious institutions were 7-2. In the abortion decision only one justice (Thomas) said he would vote to overturn Roe and Casey. Religious freedom is not hanging by a thread, and illegalizing abortion is not one vote away. Both are just scare tactics that both parties use to rile up the base.
Since Roe v. Wade was issued in 1973, Republican Presidents have appointed eleven justices to the U.S. Supreme Court (Ford appointed Stevens; Reagan elevated Rehnquist to Chief and appointed O’Connor, Scalia, and Kennedy; Bush 41 appointed Souter and Thomas; Bush 43 appointed Roberts and Alito; and Trump appointed Gorsuch and Kavanaugh). Democratic Presidents have appointed four (Carter appointed none; Clinton appointed Breyer and Ginsburg; Obama appointed Sotomayor and Kagan).

Eleven to four.

The Republican Party makes the same argument to Catholics every election: You have to vote Republican because of abortion, and we (whoever the Republican nominee is) will appoint pro-life justices to the Court, and Roe v. Wade will be overturned.

The colloquial definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result.
 
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And not just pro birth…also pro life requires needed is push back on capital punishment, euthanasia and for food, housing, medical care for the impoverished.
Quite agreed, but it is a sin that cries to heaven for vengeance, the murder of the unborn, and it is far worse than any of the other things you cite (with the exception of euthanasia).

I can far more easily live with a hypothetical President, legislator, or Supreme Court Justice, who may have a “blind spot” about any of those issues (again, euthanasia excepted), than the alternative. I do acknowledge that Democrats do a better job of caring for the poor and marginated, than Republicans do.
It goes far beyond this. Hoping that we can get the right 9 justices onto the Supreme Court is not going to protect our rights. We need conservative legislators and a President who believes in the Constitution as written, and will pass laws in concert with the Constitution and the principles upon which it stands.
Anything we can get is better than not getting it.
I’m not saying you should or shouldn’t vote for President Trump, and I agree we need conservative justices, but, here’s the thing: The Conservative Judges we have, with a few exceptions, have been a bit of a disappointment. Look at the recent transgender ruling, as an example. It would not have been so bad if they would have ACTUALLY ENFORCED THE PART OF TITLE VII that prohibited discrimination on religious belief. Title VII of the Civil Rights Act of 1964
Yes, but better than the alternative of solidly liberal, pro-choice Justices. As I said, anything’s better than nothing.
 
What if previous rulings on abortion, under the US Constitution, were correct? At the very least you are calling for ‘activist judges’. At worse you are seeking partiality in judges. Either option is wrong.

It is better to change laws on abortion than to try to stack the courts with friendly judges.
In a perfect judicial world, you would have justices who are apolitical, have no agenda either liberal or conservative, and would interpret the Constitution strictly as written pursuant to the intent of the founders. Perhaps that is why conservative justice nominees refuse to say “yes, I am going to try my best to find a way to save the unborn in the Constitution, and overturn as much of Roe v Wade as I can”. They might have that in mind, but they dare not speak it, not even after they are confirmed.

On the other hand, liberal justice nominees have no compunction about proclaiming their own “partiality”. The way liberal thought works, their basket of assumptions is the absolute truth, dogma that no one may question. To their minds, they are so obviously “right”, that if you disagree with them, you are a bad person whose point of view need not even be considered. They also have a mentality of “they’ll come around, it’s inexorable, it may take time, but we’re right, and they will eventually see that”. Not the most tolerant creatures on the face of the earth. Let’s put it another way — how often do you meet a liberal who is willing to consider that they might be wrong, that they might need to take a more “conservative” stance on this or that? Doesn’t happen. I’ve never met one yet, and I’ve known a whole lot of liberals.

Yet I will concede, it might be possible that abortion simply isn’t addressed, one way or the other, in the Constitution. Even if there is no “right to privacy”, there may be no “right to life” for the unborn. The Constitution doesn’t entertain the question of “when does life begin, life that is protected by law?”. It’s hard to say whether the founders even thought about this. I tend to doubt it was anywhere on their radar. What then? Amend the Constitution? “Right to life from the moment of conception”? Good luck getting that passed. Trimesters are just a made-up construct.
These recent cases stand for the opposite of the idea that a president can (or needs to) change the composition of the court with one or two picks. Both of the decisions in favor of religious institutions were 7-2. In the abortion decision only one justice (Thomas) said he would vote to overturn Roe and Casey. Religious freedom is not hanging by a thread, and illegalizing abortion is not one vote away. Both are just scare tactics that both parties use to rile up the base.
We just got lucky those two times.
 
The Republican Party makes the same argument to Catholics every election: You have to vote Republican because of abortion, and we (whoever the Republican nominee is) will appoint pro-life justices to the Court, and Roe v. Wade will be overturned.
Yes, and I hate having to vote Republican for all federal offices. But the alternative is “vote Democratic, and Roe v Wade will never be overturned, not even in part”. Between the devil and the deep blue sea.
 
Good point, but I see passing the responsibility to put legal restrictions on abortion to elected officials and courts as playing into the creation of a nanny state.

Legislative and judicial action does not excuse the lack of personal responsibility…why the abortion problem? Because it is legal? I don’t think so. I think it’s a failure of parents from teaching morality to their sons and daughters, the breakdown of families which cause loss of opportunity for teaching morality to young people, and general selfishness of men and women of child rearing age to consider the sanctity of life.
I would disagree with you here. Why do so many people use seatbelts and carseats when 40 years ago, this practice was the exception rather than the norm? Well, it turns out that the law is a good teacher. This is also why we have kids learn the 10 Commandments in catechism, right? My last thought on the matter is that the law does a couple things: 1) it communicates the minimum expectations for morality to society; and 2) it imposes punishment for breaking this minimum code of morality. If you don’t think it is nanny statism to impose punishments for committing assault, rape, and murder, then it isn’t nanny statism to impose laws with punishments for harming and killing the unborn. The government has a rightful duty to preserve life by preventing private individuals from killing and harming one another. I agree with you that it is first and foremost the responsibility of parents to teach their children to be moral, ethical people. But the state also bears some measure of this burden as well, and has been invested with the authority to impose and apply laws by God to protect human life and property. Look at Romans 13.

“For there is no authority except from God and those which exist are established by God. Therefore whoever resists authority has opposed the ordinance of God; and they who have opposed will receive condemnation upon themselves. For rulers are not a cause of fear for good behavior, but for evil. Do you want to have no fear of authority? Do what is good and you will have praise from the same; for it is a minister of God to you for good. But if you do what is evil, be afraid; for it does not bear the sword for nothing; for it is a minister of God, an avenger who brings wrath on the one who practices evil.”

Rest assured that governments who cast aside their God-given responsibility to minister for good will be judged by God.
 
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On the other hand, liberal justice nominees have no compunction about proclaiming their own “partiality”.
Conservative nominees hide their agendas but the liberal nominees wear theirs like a banner? OK, but you couldn’t prove that by me!
 
Both parties are useless and I wouldn’t hope for anything from them. It probably doesn’t matter who is going to win or not.
 
On the other hand, liberal justice nominees have no compunction about proclaiming their own “partiality”.
Wouldn’t that make conservative justices either hypocritical or hiding the truth? In your haste to criticize liberal judicial candidates you do a disservice to conservative candidates.

I prefer to give both the benefit of the doubt, rather than painting one or the other with such a broad brush.
 
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Rulings such as this are precisely why
Both of these decisions were 7-2. I don’t think it makes your case.
Which justices decided which way in either case? (Justices do not “vote”, they “decide”. It’s not a rump legislature.) How might things have shaken out if all nine justices had been self-declared liberals?
Conservative nominees hide their agendas but the liberal nominees wear theirs like a banner? OK, but you couldn’t prove that by me!
Do you mean that Breyer, Sotomayor, Kagan, and Ginsburg — especially Ginsburg — don’t make it known to any and all comers that they are liberal progressives? To borrow your phrase, you couldn’t prove that by me.
Wouldn’t that make conservative justices either hypocritical or hiding the truth? In your haste to criticize liberal judicial candidates you do a disservice to conservative candidates.
Being coy and dissembling about the depth of one’s conservative values is a survival skill in many fields of endeavor, including education, law, possibly even medicine, and more. Many people in the secular world think I am a liberal Democrat because of the opinions I express, and because of the opinions I’m not so free with. Wise as serpents and gentle as doves, milk before meat.
I prefer to give both the benefit of the doubt, rather than painting one or the other with such a broad brush.
When a judge declares that they believe in judicial activism, and declares that they will always uphold Roe v Wade, there’s not much doubt there.
 
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