Why were books taken out of the Bible?

[JonNC]

=onenow1;7439917]A question has been asked, that may help the OP, understand and seek more truths…

Perhaps, then, a more complete quote might have helped the OP more.

Catholics then and Catholics now can dispute,BUT ! there is a Creed Martin should have obeyed as all Catholics should, unfortunately, a lot of people then and now,subscribe to Martins type of arogance . The CC is not a democracy never was. It all boils down to authority NC but you knew that.

Certainly, it is not.
Curious that by the time Dr. Luther wrote his translation, he had already been excommunicated, and yet, included the DC’s in his translation.
It may be off topic, but perhaps you could explain the type of arrogance of which you speak.

Peace

And also with you,
Jon

 

[onenow1]

Curious that by the time Dr. Luther wrote his translation, he had already been excommunicated, and yet, included the DC’s in his translation.
It may be off topic, but perhaps you could explain the type of arrogance of which you speak.

Yes he placed them in an appendix. I thought his partial quote, had shown an egotistical or arrogant attiiude. “Oh”! By the way, I believe he also placed some epistles in the appendix; and later his disciples, put them back in there proper place.

Ohav Shalom for all

 

[JonNC]

Yes he placed them in an appendix. I thought his partial quote, had shown an egotistical or arrogant attiiude. “Oh”! By the way, I believe he also placed some epistles in the appendix; and later his disciples, put them back in there proper place.

Ohav Shalom for all

Actually, it was an expression of outrage that, while criticizing his translation, some were using it to pen their own.
His actual reason was:
“I know very well that in Romans 3 the word solum is not in the Greek or Latin text — the papists did not have to teach me that. It is fact that the letters s-o-l-a are not there. And these blockheads stare at them like cows at a new gate, while at the same time they do not recognize that it conveys the sense of the text – if the translation is to be clear and vigorous, it belongs there. I wanted to speak German, not Latin or Greek, since it was German I had set about to speak in the translation.”

As for Luther’s placement of the Epistles, he, like many going back to Eusebius, considered them disputed, and placed them as such. Luther was a man who was allowed to have opinions (as all Catholics were prior to Trent), and made clear his opinions about them should not bind others.

Jon

 

[Nicea325]

I certainly think they should be included, much as Luther did. As they are part of the writings of the historic Church Catholic, I think they are quite important.
As for concensus, I’m not sure. My sense is they are highly regarded by some Lutheran theologians, less so by others, but I’ve never gotten the feeling they are disregarded entirely. It may also depend on what synod or country one is in. American Lutheranism has been, I think, influenced by Protestantism such that at the congregational level the issue seems irrelevent to those in the pews.

Jon

Thanks for the reply Jon. So basically some Lutherans would like them included while others might not want them?

 

[PbloPicasso]

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His actual reason was:
“I know very well that in Romans 3 the word solum is not in the Greek or Latin text — the papists did not have to teach me that. It is fact that the letters s-o-l-a are not there. And these blockheads stare at them like cows at a new gate, while at the same time they do not recognize that it conveys the sense of the text – if the translation is to be clear and vigorous, it belongs there. I wanted to speak German, not Latin or Greek, since it was German I had set about to speak in the translation.”

Jon

This in itself is quite arrogant. I never realized just how arrogant he really carried himself. No wonder he got into trouble and excommunicated. As far as placed some epistles in the back, it’s quite arrogant as well. I always thought he was a humble man. But this portrays him as someone with a pride issue.

 

[Bluegoat]

This in itself is quite arrogant. I never realized just how arrogant he really carried himself. No wonder he got into trouble and excommunicated. As far as placed some epistles in the back, it’s quite arrogant as well. I always thought he was a humble man. But this portrays him as someone with a pride issue.

How do you get that from what he said???

 

[onenow1]

This in itself is quite arrogant. I never realized just how arrogant he really carried himself. No wonder he got into trouble and excommunicated. As far as placed some epistles in the back, it’s quite arrogant as well. I always thought he was a humble man. But this portrays him as someone with a pride issue.

He forgot the path was narrow, so he chose the wide one, in the end God brought good out of it. It also forced His successors, to officially canonize all 73 books of the bible,that up to that time had not been contested vocifericly. And hopefully as he reached the end, like, Peter he repented.

Peace

 

[PbloPicasso]

How do you get that from what he said???

bible-researcher.com/luther01.html

I went copied a section of what you posted and pasted it in Google search. I fount the site above and read it. in context I understood it better. But he still does come across as arrogant and rude. But, I have a feeling, so did the “Papists”. Papists is a derogatory term to me. I’m offended by it. It’s equivalent to saying “Fundi” which is alsoo viewed as rude. I understand the translation message he’s trying to convey. But I’m also reading the English translation of it next to the German. I lived in Germany 2 years and learned just enought to get me around. So I could follow the English without having to look up the words “nicht” for example. On a good day with the best choice of German or French I can figure out a conversation without requiring or reading the subtitles. I can do the same in Spanish or Latin as well. Bu throw Greek at me and I’ll tell you the letter and sound out the word. So that’s the sum of my expertise in translation. I also thought he exhibited rude and obnoxious behavior using the term “block heads”. So That is why it comes across rude. I also know Germans because I am Austrian from a place knon as the Republic of Czech now. Austrian Empire. Look at me, I’m running my mouth again.

 

[Matthew_P_Muehl]

This in itself is quite arrogant. I never realized just how arrogant he really carried himself. No wonder he got into trouble and excommunicated. As far as placed some epistles in the back, it’s quite arrogant as well. I always thought he was a humble man. But this portrays him as someone with a pride issue.

Hey Pblo, It all boils down to authority. All you have to do is read the bio on Luther and you will understand many things about him. Authority of the Church was one of his biggest problems…

Matthew

 

[PbloPicasso]

Hey Pblo, It all boils down to authority. All you have to do is read the bio on Luther and you will understand many things about him. Authority of the Church was one of his biggest problems…

Matthew

Matthew 23:1-7 changed my understanding as well and brought me home. Jesus put if quite well. Unfortunately obeying the law and not following the hypocrites appointed over us continues. I used to believe that if the leaders aren’t setting a good example it’s a problem with the entire church. Until, i stepped outside and found the same thing true in other faiths.

 

[JonNC]

This in itself is quite arrogant. I never realized just how arrogant he really carried himself. No wonder he got into trouble and excommunicated. As far as placed some epistles in the back, it’s quite arrogant as well. I always thought he was a humble man. But this portrays him as someone with a pride issue.

So, it was arrogant that he wanted his translation to be German?

All of us have a pride issue. When one claims he does not, it is often evidence that he does.

Jon

 

[JonNC]

Hey Pblo, It all boils down to authority. All you have to do is read the bio on Luther and you will understand many things about him. Authority of the Church was one of his biggest problems…

Matthew

Actually Matthew, his original dispute had to do with the arrogance of some leaders within the church, who thought they could use their authority to abuse the teachings of the Church.

Presuming that there was no fault on the part of Rome and its representatives regarding the Reformation just lacks intellectual honesty. The Catholic Catechism recognizes there was blame on all sides. Did Luther act without blame? Absolutely not! The question is, do we use the disputes of the past to condemn each other, or do we seek reconciliation.

Regarding the canon, Luther acted within the same freedoms to question the canon as anyone else - Cajetan, Erasmus, and others.

Jon