Why were Memorials removed at Daytime Prayer?

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Office question:

In the OF LOTH, memorials and feasts aren’t commemorated at Daytime Prayer.

In the Extraordinary Form Office, they are commemorated (the collect is said).

Why was this removed in the reforms? I have to say, praying the same collect throughout the entire day makes a whole lot of sense to myself, but I am open to hearing theories as to why this omission is a good thing.
 
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Bugnini talks about this in his book on the liturgical work he did. It was simply a case of wanting to downplay the sanctoral office. It was, incidentally, exactly what the Jansenists pushed for in the Paris and other Gallican breviaries of the 18th century.

Of course “Daytime Prayer” has dramatically been curtailed in the LOTH. Of 4 traditional day hours, only 1 is mandatory now.
 
Huh. I mean, that’s odd. One collect is hardly glorifying the Sanctoral Office. At least the psalms are all from the psalms of the day rather the ones from the proper of the saints.

In the traditional office, not even the hymn for the daytime hours changes. I just don’t see how the Sanctoral Office is that glorified.

Why did he want to downplay the Sanctoral Office?
 
Is there any option at all to say the collect of the saint instead of the typical Daytime Prayer collect?
 
The rubrics of the LOTH allow for pretty much whatever you want on many days of the year, so yes, one could certainly do something under the label of a votive office, etc. etc.

As for why Bugnini did what he did…I recommend reading his book. His one virtue was brutal honesty in what his agenda was.
 
What is his book?

Also, what portions of the GILH are you referring to?
 
That’s fair on the Bugnini book.

However, in the GILH it is harder for me to track down the exact rubrics you are referring to. But do not feel the need to go looking for me if you don’t know the exact statement off the top of your head; I can definitely do the research myself.

Also, the General Instruction seems so vague half of the time haha. It is hard to tell how far they want you to go when applying a certain statement.
 
The LOTH allows tremendous flexibility. It’s very hard to do something that violates the rubrics of the LOTH when you consider just how much latitude someone has in what texts they pray.
 
A man who teaches Lay Ministry classes for our local Diocese mentioned when praying the Liturgy of the Hours keep in mind that there is no wrong way to pray.
 
Well there are certainly “wrong ways” in the sense that, there are rubrics one can violate…it’s just that the options that are allowed by the rubrics are so extensive that it’s not really that easy to break them.
 
KMG said:
Bugnini talks about this in his book on the liturgical work he did. It was simply a case of wanting to downplay the sanctoral office. It was, incidentally, exactly what the Jansenists pushed for in the Paris and other Gallican breviaries of the 18th century.
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Where specifically did he mention this specifically as the reason for not commemorating a saint at the daytime hours? I must have missed it in his book. Pius X also wanted to downplay the impact of the sanctoral on the psalmody, incidentally.
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Of course “Daytime Prayer” has dramatically been curtailed in the LOTH. Of 4 traditional day hours, only 1 is mandatory now.
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Only one is mandatory for secular clergy. Many religious, including Benedictines, 3 daytime hours are required. Prime has been suppressed for all but some Benedictines retain it in the post-Conciliar version of the original Benedictine Office; others redistribute its psalms to other hours, mostly the other daytime hours. GILH:
76 The Second Vatican Council laid down that the little Hours of Terce, Sext and None should be preserved in choir.The liturgical practice of saying these three Hours is retained by those who lead a con- templative life, unless particular law indicates otherwise. This is also recommended for everyone, especially for those who take part in retreats and pastoral gatherings.
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Why did Bugnini have such pull in everything liturgical? Didn’t anyone ever say hey who made you the sole innovator of the liturgy?
 
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Actually, my impression was that you just look up the saint day readings instead of the ferial day readings. If they don’t appear in your book, you just look them up in another source, like the old book or the readings from a religious order webpage. If you want to.

A lot of the LOTH apps do this for you.
 
Thomasbradley312 said:
Why did Bugnini have such pull in everything liturgical? Didn’t anyone ever say hey who made you the sole innovator of the liturgy?
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Well, KMG seems to think he imposed a liturgy on everyone. The reality is more subtle than that. He was secretary (not president; those were at different times, Cardinal Giacomo Lercaro and Cardinal Benno Gut) of the Consilium that reformed the liturgy. The consilium was comprised of many experts, and many of the ideas were floated to bishops for their (name removed by moderator)ut.

And then there was Pope Paul VI himself who was very much involved in the proceedings, and imposed his own will in many places, for instance eliminating the imprecatory psalms/verses.

Abp. Bugnini is just the traditionalists’ favourite bogeyman.
 
Mintaka said:
Actually, my impression was that you just look up the saint day readings instead of the ferial day readings. If they don’t appear in your book, you just look them up in another source, like the old book or the readings from a religious order webpage. If you want to.
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Only on feasts and solemnities. On memorials, optional or mandatory, the readings and collect are of the day, not the saint.
 
jesusalright4me said:
Why did he want to downplay the Sanctoral Office?
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I don’t know about Bugnini himself, however, from what I understand- the reason why many were in favor of this was because they wanted to simplify the Daytime Prayers as cars made it easier for Bishops & Diocesan Priests to travel far from their parish and made a practical reality.

In other words, secular priests had become more busy with tasks outside of the parish (visiting hospitals further away, visiting the diocesan office more often, visiting parish members who live further away, etc)

Also, (while maybe not a direct reason to do it) the revised Daytime Prayers has allowed for the creation of a pocket breviary for those prayers. The one I have easily fits in my front or back pants pockets & inside pocket of sports / suit jacket

https://catholicbookpublishing.com/product/108

God Bless
 
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Anyone who wants to know about Bugnini should read his book, and then also books like the memoirs of Father Bouyer, who worked with him.

You will learn that Bugnini had immense power (“Secretary” is a misleading title). There is evidence (again, read Bouyer) that Bugnini would tell his colleagues, “the pope wants this or that”…while meanwhile telling the pope, “the experts want this or that.”

His record is highly suspect to say the least.
 
OraLabora said:
Many religious, including Benedictines, 3 daytime hours are required.
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That does apply in a few of the Benedictine Congregations, e.g. Solesmes and Subiaco-Cassinese. I have found with many that they only pray one of the little hours.
 
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