Why were there no miracles in the LDS Church?

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Tkdnick,
I missed you, welcome back.
To answer your question, which also was answered by flamesburn, I consider the story I related about being saved from the train, by a prompting from the Holy Spirit, one of the miracles in my life. There are stories of healing that are too numerous to tell about. Almost every family has experienced the miracle of recovering from a near fatal disease or accident, through the power of prayer.
I myself, have experienced the miracle of being able to understand someone speaking in a foreign language that I do not know, it has happened to me in church services in Costa Rica. I don’t know if those are miracles to anyone else, but they were amazing to me. When I realized that I knew what the speaker was saying and he was speaking in Spanish, I was just awestruck. It was very natural and I almost did not realize that I had understood his words. Anyway, just small examples of what I consider miracles.
BJ
 
BJ Colbert:
Tkdnick,
I missed you, welcome back.
To answer your question, which also was answered by flamesburn, I consider the story I related about being saved from the train, by a prompting from the Holy Spirit, one of the miracles in my life. There are stories of healing that are too numerous to tell about. Almost every family has experienced the miracle of recovering from a near fatal disease or accident, through the power of prayer.
I myself, have experienced the miracle of being able to understand someone speaking in a foreign language that I do not know, it has happened to me in church services in Costa Rica. I don’t know if those are miracles to anyone else, but they were amazing to me. When I realized that I knew what the speaker was saying and he was speaking in Spanish, I was just awestruck. It was very natural and I almost did not realize that I had understood his words. Anyway, just small examples of what I consider miracles.
BJ
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Cool! I believe I heard in the LDS Church something about the followers receiving the"gift of tounges". Is that true?

Also I might as well consider a miracle that happened in my parents life. My dad was offered a job in Florida- a take it or you’re fired job. We live in Ohio and my parents were engaged and if my dad lost his job then they would be in trouble. They stopped and prayed outside of my grandparent’s house. They claimed that a streak of lightning- in a bright and sunny midsummer’s day- struck right behind my grandparent’s house! The next day my dad’s boss said that he decided my dad didn’t have to take the job. He of course said he wouldn’t. I literallly thank God for this. If it weren’t for this, then I may have not been born.

Really when you think of it, life is a miracle. Earth is a miracle. God is a miracle. Everything is a miracle- falling in love, teaching your son how to walk, even getting an A on a math test. If everybody learns to cherish life, no matter of their background, nationallity, or religion, the world would be a much better place. 🙂
 
It is a historical fact that in the very early days of Mormonism, church services included ecstatic utterances not too dissimilar from what was later seen in the Pentecostal and Charismatic churches. Various Mormon diaries and journals record such occurences, and even the fictionalised-history series about Joseph Smith, entitled “The Work and The Glory” makes mention of such happenings, as I recollect.

I think that LeGrand Richards, in “A Marvelous Work and A Wonder” (often given to ‘Investigators’ in Mormonism or to new converts) mentions situations where LDS missionaries were given the temporary ability to preach the Mormon ‘gospel’ to one or more people in a language the missionaries had never studied and could not speak. This was BEFORE the Missionary Training Centers were established, with their intensive language training, Of course, the story is not substantiated to my knowledge and so is part of the anecdotal panoply of miracles which Mormons claim happen but which cannot be established nor disproven.
 
BJ Colbert:
Tkdnick,
I missed you, welcome back.
To answer your question, which also was answered by flamesburn, I consider the story I related about being saved from the train, by a prompting from the Holy Spirit, one of the miracles in my life. There are stories of healing that are too numerous to tell about. Almost every family has experienced the miracle of recovering from a near fatal disease or accident, through the power of prayer.
I myself, have experienced the miracle of being able to understand someone speaking in a foreign language that I do not know, it has happened to me in church services in Costa Rica. I don’t know if those are miracles to anyone else, but they were amazing to me. When I realized that I knew what the speaker was saying and he was speaking in Spanish, I was just awestruck. It was very natural and I almost did not realize that I had understood his words. Anyway, just small examples of what I consider miracles.
BJ
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And I agree totally with you. But why do you think these types of things wouldn’t be considered miracles in the eyes of Catholics and others?
 
I loved the train miracle! Those promptings happen to me a lot, too.

My best friend (LDS) says a lot of miracles have to do with the LDS garment and since the garment is sacred, the miracle associated with it is sacred. I have trouble following that but I said ok anyway.

I have to admit I find the use of “miracles as proof” frustrating. Isn’t it similar to statistics? I’ve heard it said that you can find a statistic (miracle) to back up anything you want.

That said, as God is the Maker of miracles, and there is some Truth in all religions. Wouldn’t everyone have some experience with a miracle or two?
 
BJ Colbert:
P.S. I don’t think your priests come to the house to bless the sick do they? If they do we would love to have them come. We have had the LDS church elders come and administer to my husband, that, plus our faith in God is what saved his life when he had brain surgery.
So far no one in the Catholic church even notices when he is not there, no one inquires about him and no one speaks to him at mass, except during the time they all hold hands and say peace be to you.
So if you know please let me know if your church has healing prayers where they anoint your head with oil and pray to Heavenly Father that you will be OK if it be the Father’s will. I think that would give my husband great comfort. He thinks they don’t really care about him as an individual. But, he has great faith still in the Catholic church, it is tradition for him and he will not waiver, even when I try to explain he doesn’t worship Mary. Now, I have go and tell him I was wrong, that he does worship Mary.
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BJ, yes the Catholic Church will have a priest come out and give your DH a blessing! It is called the “Annointing of the sick” They did it for my dad shortly before we lost him. They came out and blessed him. Then less than a month later we realized the Lord was calling him home nad the priest came out and gave him his “last rights.” The last rights to a Catholic are very important! My dad said confession at this time and was absolved of his sins just before passing!Two days later he went home, forever! God Bless and I will pray for you and your DH!
 
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tkdnick:
And I agree totally with you. But why do you think these types of things wouldn’t be considered miracles in the eyes of Catholics and others?
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Misconception. The Holy Spirit acts both personally and inclusively. The Holy Spirit does cause miracles in people’ lives on a daily basis, miracles that are particular to that person. This is one form and it is not meant for everybody. The Holy Spirit also causes world wide miracles such as Lourdes and the healings for example. These are miracles that God has intended for everyone. The Church investigates these and may or may not state that there is nothing contrary to faith and morals and all are free to reverence them.
When B.J. was prompted to cross the tracks, this was possibly an example of God’s personal care for B.J. and her children, whereas if God had prompted the entire civilization to cross the tracks, the Church would become involved to decide if it truly was meant for the whole world or B.J. alone or to determine if B.J. was creating a hoax, because many times people will hoax. Hoaxing can be a form of spiritual envy as well as a form of spiritual pride, both capital sins. I’m not saying she did. I’m giving this as an example of the different forms and reasons the Church responds to miracles. But yes, personal promptings by the Holy Spirit happen everyday in the Church for He causes the sun to shine for the sinner and the non sinner alike :tiphat: 24/7.
Everything is ordered for the good.
 
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flameburns623:
tknick: I assure you that the Latter-Day Saints have perfectly ordinary kinds of miracles–healings, ability to speak in unlearned languages, visions, prophecies, etcetera. The LDS Church does not attempt to ‘prove’ their miracles as a rule, but otherwise their miracles are in no wise remarkable when compared to Catholic miracles.
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Likewise, the Catholic Church does not attempt to prove miracles either. What it does do is make sure that there is nothing contrary to faith and morals in the miracle and then states this and people in the Church are free to either believe in it or not. They are not required to. On the other hand, there are people who will try and “make-up” miracles and a miracle that is false will directly contradict the teachings and doctrines of the Christian Chruch. These the Church states clearly that we cannot believe in them. For instance, Joseph Smith and the Tablets and so on, directly contradict the teachings of the several more Traditional Christian Churchs, therefore the churchs officially declare that the faithful should not believe in them. To willfully continue to believe in miracles that the Church has declared false is a serious sin for Catholics and some other Christian church’s. Whereas to not believe in miracles the Church has not found falsehood in is not a sin. So IF I don’t have any real faith in bleeding statues or such like- it is not a sin. It is sad though, for I would not be able to avail myself of the healing involved.
 
I agree that we all have daily miracles in our lives. We are all God’s children and he loves us all equally, be we Catholic or LDS, we are loved by God and He is our Father. He will protect us and grant us individual miracles in our lives if we only ask him through prayer.
My husband and I went to the Surgeon yesterday expecting to set up a date to have his colon removed, as one month ago the surgeon and his gastrointerologist had said it had to be removed. The sugeon told us yesterday that the colon has improved to the point where they are going to wait and give another colonoscopy in 6 months. We are elated and know it is only through the power of God and prayers that this healing occurred.
Thank you all for your kind thoughts and prayers. I consider this a major miracle. This has been heavy on our minds since April when he had his colonoscopy and the results came back from two labs that he had cancerous cells.
BJ
 
BJ Colbert:
I agree that we all have daily miracles in our lives. We are all God’s children and he loves us all equally, be we Catholic or LDS, we are loved by God and He is our Father. He will protect us and grant us individual miracles in our lives if we only ask him through prayer.
My husband and I went to the Surgeon yesterday expecting to set up a date to have his colon removed, as one month ago the surgeon and his gastrointerologist had said it had to be removed. The sugeon told us yesterday that the colon has improved to the point where they are going to wait and give another colonoscopy in 6 months. We are elated and know it is only through the power of God and prayers that this healing occurred.
Thank you all for your kind thoughts and prayers. I consider this a major miracle. This has been heavy on our minds since April when he had his colonoscopy and the results came back from two labs that he had cancerous cells.
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Whoa! How did I miss all this with your husband??? I shall put him on my prayer list!
 
Thank You Tkdnick,
You are one of the special people in this forum…BJ
 
I believe that miracles happen every day, no matter what religion, or, none at all. Many people believe in Jesus but do not go to any “church”. I know many really good folk who are not willing to commit to any particular religious sect. Miracles do not have to be huge, earth moving experiences. They come in all “sizes and shapes”. IE: I believe that when each baby comes into the world, each is a miracle. This all happened with the hand of our all loving God.

Last night a gentleman called on us. He is in his late 70’s and retired. His wife suffered a serious stroke 5 years ago and was put on many medications, none of them producing the desired results.

He decided to study about the medications, reactions, etc. Now, because of the work he did, through a rigid diet, and getting her doctors to change her medication,his lovely wife is showing improvement. I believe that God gave this man the intellect and desire to search out help for his wife. A miracle. The gentleman has learned a great deal through the process, his wife is showing improvement and may recover. God must be smiling at this elderly couple.

Last but not least miracle of all: This elderly man has been coming to our home for nearly 14 years with the purpose of trying to convert me to LDS and getting my husband to go back to his LDS religion.(Now Catholic) He was sometimes very forceful about his “mission” to convert me. Last night, he asked me for a Catholic Bible and Catholic reading material. He said," I am searching for the truth, through all the happenings these past years, through all my reading, I know that I need to search beyond LDS, will you help me?" “Through all my scripture reading, I am finding that there is no “church” in heaven”. This man is a retired scientist with many college degrees, including pre-med. His mind is sharp and finds time to read his vast library while caring for his wife.

Never did I ever think that this LDS man would tuck Catholic material under his arm, and ask for help through his search for “the truth”. He thanked me for always welcoming him into our home, (which I always did even when I really didn’t want to spend the evening listening to him.) I don’t know that he will ever convert to Catholicism, but I was relieved to have a visit that ended without him trying to change my faith and him wishing to inquire into ours.

Love and peace:)
 
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