Why women cant be Catholic Priests

[simpleas]

They are visible signs of Christ the Head, the Bridegroom in relation to Christ’s Body, the Bride.

And women are not…:+1:t2:

 

[simpleas]

Your post is even more bizarre.

It’s good to know then (as you seem to believe?) that a man isn’t fully a man unless he has fathered biological children and a woman is not fully a woman unless she has given birth to another human.

 

[Lea101]

Now that’s just lazy of you.

I’m sure you know that the average feminist out there looks a lot like the second picture.

The whole ‘acting like a man’ thing was more popular in the 80s (or at least around that era, I genuinely can’t remember). Modern feminists would look like your average woman at this point. Sans the child, maybe, lol.

What’s bizarre about the truth?

She was probably referring to the fact that we are fully woman and man because we are. Someone who is single is not less of a man than a dad. It’s more to do with being rather than becoming.

 

[Elizabeth3]

And women are not…:+1:t2:

Right. Women are not visible and living signs of Christ as Head and Bridegroom. Women, in their female body, do not signify this.

Women are visible and living signs as Christ’s Body, and Bride. Men, in their male body do not signify this.

In liturgy, these signs point to spiritual truths without which we cannot properly worship God, who made us male and female to reflect different perfections found in Him.

 

[Fauken]

And women are not…:+1:t2:

How can a woman be a groom?

 

[Spyridon]

@simpleas are you a Catholic Christian?

 

[Spyridon]

I’m sure you know that the average feminist out there looks a lot like the second picture.

The average traditional feminist of the 1st or 2nd wave, sure.

The average 3rd wave feminist looks like this:

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I’m a traditional feminist myself. I despise third wave feminism though.

 

[Arkansan]

Feminism is poisoned at the root to be honest.

 

[Elizabeth3]

It’s good to know then (as you seem to believe?) that a man isn’t fully a man unless he has fathered biological children and a woman is not fully a woman unless she has given birth to another human.

I do agree that that wording is not fully clear by Father Longenecker. I think human fatherhood is the complete fruition of being fully a man on the biological level. Likewise for women and motherhood. However, both men and women, fully as men and women, have also the capacity for spiritual fatherhood and motherhood, which is of a higher order than biological parenthood.

 

[Lea101]

The average 3rd wave feminist looks like this

I don’t really know how old you are because that’s honestly inaccurate (if you’re quite old then it would show that you may be out of touch with the newer generation as the crazy looking ones are usually from the time I stated). Most of your feminists are your average college women. Only a small proportion of them look like this and they usually identify with some weird group. In simpler terms, these would be your extreme radical feminists.

I mean, if you think about this little deeper…it’s like me saying that all conservative Christians look like insert random radical hateful alt-right dude I found on the internet by using clearly rude keywords. When it would be plain false.

Your typical feminist look normal. It could look like your daughter in her early 20s, lol. Even Clinton doesn’t look like that. The more popular feminists make no effort to look masculine, actually. Think Beyonce, Taylor Swift (2 women who have praised motherhood very vocally) Emma Watson, blah blah

Edit: seems like you’ve edited a post to replace that awfully rude picture of a woman hmm

And I guess one more thing: even that woman you’ve posted earlier would be fully woman. A trans person would be fully woman/man) whatever their original sex is) Because she’s born that way. As a catholic, I’m sure you would agree. Being fully a woman/man does not equal to how masculine/feminine you look.

 

[Spyridon]

don’t really know how old you are because that’s honestly inaccurate. Most

I’m a 30 year old US Military Veteran.

Most of the third wave feminists I typically see look like this:

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I repeat again: I am personally a feminist. But I’m a traditional feminist, not a third wave feminist.

@Lea101 do you know the difference between traditional feminism and third wave feminism?

Do you understand propagation of abortion is a key tenet of third wave feminism?

 

[Lea101]

Most of the third wave feminists I typically see look like this:

Online? I mean, if you frequent conservative sites then it would be obvious that that’s the common kind of thing you would see because they love to laugh at the nut cases that made it online.

If you’re just scrolling through social media or even if you look at pictures of the Women’s March, you would see women that would look ‘normal’. You have probably walked past many of them! 3rd wave feminists would argue that it’s more to do with freedom to choose (so you’ll see very diverse looks).

Even Linda Sarsour doesn’t even look like that. So would your liberal CNN presenters. Anyway, you get the point. I’m sure I don’t have to explain to you why your previous posts were cherry picking and definitely did not represent the large minority of American feminists.

(by the way, dyed hair does not mean feminist. I’ve seen a lot of lovely catholic women with crazy hair colors and they would rather choke than to align themselves with any feminist)

I repeat again: I am personally a feminist. But I’m a traditional feminist, not a third wave feminist.

I don’t really know why you’re telling me this. I did not call you sexist or anything like that…I think, lol.

do you know the difference between traditional feminism and third wave feminism?

Do you understand propagation of abortion is a key tenet of third wave feminism?

Yes and yes. I’m not sure why you’re bringing this in. I didn’t say I was that feminist. I’m just pointing out the fact that your average pro-choice feminist (with the intersectionality and gender stuff) can easily look like a typical college student studying literature or something.

I am very hesitant to call myself a feminist now than I was last year. I’m an egalitarian and a feminist if we look at the strict definition. But I don’t really align myself with ‘feminism’ unless certain issues are being talked about.

 

[Lea101]

However, both men and women, fully as men and women, have also the capacity for spiritual fatherhood and motherhood,

Don’t mean to change the topic or whatever but could you maybe explain what does these two concepts mean/look like?

 

[Spyridon]

didn’t say I was that feminist. I’m just pointing out the fact that your average pro-choice feminist (with the intersectionality and gender stuff) can easily look like a typical college student studying literature or something.

I’m using somewhat true stereotypes for a rhetorical purpose in a hyperbolic manner.

I’m aware that not literally all third wave feminists look like that. I’m saying that look is the look of the archetypal third wave feminist. Go to any feminist rally, and you’ll see many of the key people leading the “feminist” cause look like that. The average 3w feminist layperson will quite possibly look normal. But the figureheads, spokespeople, and zealouts will more likely than not look like the pictures I shared.

 

[Lea101]

Go to any feminist rally, and you’ll see many of the key people leading the “feminist” cause look like that. The average 3w feminist layperson will quite possibly look normal. But the figureheads, spokespeople, and zealouts will more likely than not look like the pictures I shared.

Again, I respectfully disagree. They’re really more of the minority. I don’t know how to insert pictures on mobile but if it’s convenient for you, you can look up the organizers of the Women’s March. They look normal, in my opinion. The spokespeople are usually more famous women. Gal Gadot, for example, is one of them that I can remember who recently posted about feminism. Emma Watson did that whole speech. Chelsea Handler, who’s very pro choice, and yadayadayada. Michele Obama and so on. The 3rd wave feminism is not necessarily defined by a look since its focus is on intersectionality.

The pictures you post are usually used as caricatures of them, which you just admitted to (hyperbole). A little mean-spirited, which is why I’m surprisingly jumping to their defense here.

My initial point which was lost earlier is that basically, both types of women are fully women. Because they’re born female. Skirts and hair would not make them more woman. It’s being, not becoming. You will be a man no matter how effeminate you are. Your manhood won’t decrease. If anything, it would be your masculinity (a concept that would change and vary throughout eras and cultures, if I’m going to be annoying). Your reply to the other poster was not relevant to what they’re saying and I was just trying to point that out.

 

[Elizabeth3]

Don’t mean to change the topic or whatever but could you maybe explain what does these two concepts mean/look like?

Sure. Basically, it is the Spiritual and Corporal Works of Mercy, which every man and woman as members of the Body of Christ are called to do for others. Reading them carefully, you will see that these are all things that good biological fathers and mothers do as well. But note, they do these things as “being man” and “being woman.”

Corporal Works of Mercy

To feed the hungry;
To give drink to the thirsty;
To clothe the naked;
To harbour the harbourless;
To visit the sick;
To ransom the captive;
To bury the dead.

Spiritual Works of Mercy

To instruct the ignorant;
To counsel the doubtful;
To admonish sinners;
To bear wrongs patiently;
To forgive offences willingly;
To comfort the afflicted;
To pray for the living and the dead.

The laity do these things (or should) as part of their daily lives, whether they are biological parents or not.

Those called to the priesthood and religious life do these things also but in various and specific ministerial functions for the purpose of serving and strengthening the rest of the Body of Christ so they can in turn effectively serve others. This may mean caring for other members or bringing Christ to those who don’t know Him and hopefully, for them to be reborn through Holy Mother Church as new Christians.

 

[edwest211]

Strange. It appears ‘third wave feminism’ has a cult-like structure. Surely, there are rules to follow and standards? The ‘second wave feminists,’ like Gloria Steinem, had this to say about men: “A woman needs a man like a fish needs a bicycle.” I guess the different colored hair is a requirement of some kind?

 

[simpleas]

How can a man be a bride?

 

[Lea101]

Yeah, I agree with that. Although I guess the whole ‘as man’ and ‘as woman’ is a little confusing I mean. There’s really not much difference in that.

 

[Elizabeth3]

Yeah, I agree with that. Although I guess the whole ‘as man’ and ‘as woman’ is a little confusing I mean. There’s really not much difference in that.

Well, when it comes to feeding the hungry and giving drink to the thirsty, only a mother can breastfeed her child from her body and priests give us the Eucharist for spiritual nourishment. But, yes, there are a lot of similarities also if we are talking about serving food and drink in the ordinary way.

It is difficult to put into words how a mother’s counsel is different than a father’s but I think we can all sense that there is a difference in how we perceive and receive counsel from a mother and from a father. The words may be the same but the delivery and effects can be different. Both are indispensable, however, for each person to be fully formed as a human - whether male or female. We need both. Mothers or fathers, let’s say, feature more prominently certain ways of being and relating to others, even if both have the full range of human qualities.