Why Would A Catholic Vote For A ProChoice Canidate?

[deb1]

I am curious, why would a Catholic vote for a prochoice canidate? Do they not see abortion as evil?

Abortion is a type of genocide, so isn’t voting prochoice a method of giving approval to genocide of the most innocent, helpless of victims?

Some on this forum have said that they don’t want to use only one issue to vote for a candidate. But would you think the same if instead of killing unborn babies, we were talking about the killing of minority adults?

Imagine this: two candidates are up for office, one is a worthless human being but against killing the members of a minority group. The second candidate stands for everything that the voter believes in but thinks that killing adult minorities should be allowed, would you still vote for the second candidate?

I don’t see how killing unborn babies is different then killing adult minorities of any race or religion.

 

[aurora77]

I honestly don’t know how anyone who is a Christian could vote pro-abortion. It goes contrary to Scripture, to the teachings of the Church.

Killing is killing whatever euphamisms people want to use to disguise it. It’s goulish and evil.

I just can’t trust someone who says they are pro-choice. These same politicians talk about wanting to help the poor, help children, etc. To me, that’s just a lie. If someone feels that killing innocent children is acceptable, I can’t for a second believe that they care about kids who go hungry, or who are abused.

 

[deb1]

I honestly don’t know how anyone who is a Christian could vote pro-abortion. It goes contrary to Scripture, to the teachings of the Church.

Killing is killing whatever euphamisms people want to use to disguise it. It’s goulish and evil.

I just can’t trust someone who says they are pro-choice. These same politicians talk about wanting to help the poor, help children, etc. To me, that’s just a lie. If someone feels that killing innocent children is acceptable, I can’t for a second believe that they care about kids who go hungry, or who are abused.

I agree, but on these forums, there are posters who say that they vote for prochoice candidates because they dont’ want to use abortion as the only criteria when it comes to voting. It doesn’t make sense to me either.

I think that some people don’t quite consider abortion to be murder. They know that it is wrong but they don’t view it the same as killing adults. That is why I used the example of killing adult minorities in my post.

If we get to a time in the world in which minorities are being killed-as they did in the holocaust-would anyone say that minorities being killed was only a small part in their decision on who to vote for(I worded that badly.)

 

[iamrefreshed]

I think that some people don’t quite consider abortion to be murder. They know that it is wrong but they don’t view it the same as killing adults. That is why I used the example of killing adult minorities in my post.

I think this is a large part of it. In good conscience, I could not vote for a canidate that thinks the murder of babies is OK. NO MATTER WHAT!

 

[wow]

Some vote their conscience as they truly want to vote for the lesser of two evils in these times.

No matter who you choose, a vote for the lesser of two evils is still a vote for evil.

I have decided not to vote for either evil and put it in the hands of our Lord and pray for whoever is chosen.

 

[dmelosi]

We had a deacon give a talk about the mass…one of those attending asked that very question. The deacon gave a great answer on the 5 non negotiables. There was a parish priest in attendance and he brought up the point of the death penalty and said that there were more to consider than just the 5.

The same person who asked the question also said that he has 3 sisters who are nuns, and his wife has 3 sisters who are nuns, and they believe that abortion is ok.

It starts right there, with priests and nuns who are disobedient to the church. Very sad.

 

[aurora77]

No matter who you choose, a vote for the lesser of two evils is still a vote for evil.

It is. For some reason, the pro-life position is expected to give in when it comes to voting. We’re supposed to set aside a respect for life and worry about health care, the war on terror, taxes, etc. These issues are very, very important, don’t get me wrong, but if the most basic rights aren’t protected, who cares about anything else? Call me a one issue voter, but I firmly believe a person’s stance on the life issue colors the way they view all other issues.

 

[PLAL]

I could not vote for a canidate that thinks the murder of babies is OK. NO MATTER WHAT!

True. We unfortunately have a Presidential Candidate who voted against the “Born Alive Infants Protection Act”. The Act would make it illegal to let born babies starve to death after they are born. Unfortunately the mainstream media is not telling anyone about this presidential candidates vote.

Abortion is the only issue of our time. It has killed 50 million people. There is no other issue or combination of issues which have killed 50 million people. Therefore abortion is the only important issue right now. Some candidates say they are Pro-Life but I don’t really believe all of them. That’s why you need to dig down deeper to really find out which one’s are really Pro-Life.

My vote will only be for Pro-Life candidates.

 

[deb1]

True. We unfortunately have a Presidential Candidate who voted against the “Born Alive Infants Protection Act”. The Act would make it illegal to let born babies starve to death after they are born. Unfortunately the mainstream media is not telling anyone about this presidential candidates vote.

Abortion is the only issue of our time. It has killed 50 million people. There is no other issue or combination of issues which have killed 50 million people. Therefore abortion is the only important issue right now. Some candidates say they are Pro-Life but I don’t really believe all of them. That’s why you need to dig down deeper to really find out which one’s are really Pro-Life.

My vote will only be for Pro-Life candidates.

Unless it is health care or the Iraq War, the media is talking very little about where any single candidate stands on issues. The media does discuss how people ‘feel’ about candidates.

 

[fix]

No matter who you choose, a vote for the lesser of two evils is still a vote for evil.

I can respect those who decline to vote in cases like that or write in a name, but I do not think it is fair to call voting to limit evil an evil. Limiting evil is good.

 

[mford]

We must be careful in making the decision not to vote because the Presidential candidate isn’t as pro-life as we would like. It is most likely that the next President will have to appoint one if not two justices to the Supreme Court. The decision these justices will make will extend far beyond the next Presidency and the implications for the Pro-Life cause are literaly life and death. If there is a candidate who is even marginally pro-life,but who insists that Supreme Court Justices should be strict constitutionalists and interpret law not legislate it, wouldn’t it be better to vote for them and trust to God they do as they promise, rather than sit out the election and take the chance that an anti-life candidate - who believes in the sanctity of Roe vs Wade and will appoint justices who uphold the 'right’to kill the unborn will be elected?

 

[vern_humphrey]

Remember, those who will not vote for the lesser of two evils are automatically voting for the greater of those two evils.

 

[Newbie2]

Exactly right, Vern.

Not voting isn’t a good option.

One-issue voting isn’t a good option either, methinks, unless the candidates are otherwise equal (and that’s rarely the case).

Hypothetically, let’s say we’ve got a far right wingnut who wants to nuke Iraq, but is “pro-life” (ironic, no?) vs. a “pro-choice” lefty who would work for peace (also ironic, yes?).

Clearly, two evil choices. One of them is going to get elected in this hypothetical situation. Do you let the rest of our secular society choose or make your vote heard?

 

[dmelosi]

Exactly right, Vern.

Not voting isn’t a good option.

One-issue voting isn’t a good option either, methinks, unless the candidates are otherwise equal (and that’s rarely the case).

Hypothetically, let’s say we’ve got a far right wingnut who wants to nuke Iraq, but is “pro-life” (ironic, no?) vs. a “pro-choice” lefty who would work for peace (also ironic, yes?).

Clearly, two evil choices. One of them is going to get elected in this hypothetical situation. Do you let the rest of our secular society choose or make your vote heard?

Very extreme bad example.

 

[vern_humphrey]

Exactly right, Vern.

Not voting isn’t a good option.

One-issue voting isn’t a good option either, methinks, unless the candidates are otherwise equal (and that’s rarely the case).

Hypothetically, let’s say we’ve got a far right wingnut who wants to nuke Iraq, but is “pro-life” (ironic, no?) vs. a “pro-choice” lefty who would work for peace (also ironic, yes?).

Clearly, two evil choices. One of them is going to get elected in this hypothetical situation. Do you let the rest of our secular society choose or make your vote heard?

First of all, allow me to set the terms, and I can construct a hypothetical situation where the only moral thing is to vote for Satan, himself.

But the answer is, you make your first cut on the most important issue – human life. Given the absolutely evil nature of abortion, and the numbers of lives involved, nothing else can touch that issue.

Once you have either a choice between pro-life candidates, or have concluded that there is no pro-life candidate, you can make your next cut on other issues.

But ideally, we should strive to do what has just been done in Florida – prove that a pro-abortion candidate cannot win the nomination. Wouldn’t it be great if both national parties could do that?

 

[Newbie2]

 

[iamrefreshed]

First of all, allow me to set the terms, and I can construct a hypothetical situation where the only moral thing is to vote for Satan, himself.

But the answer is, you make your first cut on the most important issue – human life. Given the absolutely evil nature of abortion, and the numbers of lives involved, nothing else can touch that issue.

Once you have either a choice between pro-life candidates, or have concluded that there is no pro-life candidate, you can make your next cut on other issues.

But ideally, we should strive to do what has just been done in Florida – prove that a pro-abortion candidate cannot win the nomination. Wouldn’t it be great if both national parties could do that?

I’m an ex-New-Yorker now in Florida who is proud to have contributed to said demise:thumbsup:

Now if the other party could only get their act straight I might have to think a bit before voting.

 

[vern_humphrey]

I’m an ex-New-Yorker now in Florida who is proud to have contributed to said demise:thumbsup:

Now if the other party could only get their act straight I might have to think a bit before voting.

Amen.

I have said again and again – to those who consider themselves Democrats, purge your party of pro-abortion politicians. Deny them the nomination. Recruit pro-life candidates.

 

[wow]

I cannot vote for either party as I truly believe either would make me complicit in death one way or another.

The current pro-life administration openly supports a free trade agreement with a country supplying the US with abortion pills.

“The drug maker, Shanghai Hualian, is the sole supplier to the United States of the abortion pill, mifepristone, known as RU-486.”

New York Times article.

We are taught to avoid abortion doctors or doctors who refer to other doctors who perform abortions. I think the same should apply to our politicians. Either they do all they can to stop all abortions or they are no better than those they point fingers at to get elected.

I feel as a concerned people we have to look past the rhetoric of politics and see the truth. To me the truth is we decide between the lesser of two evils. One evil says for the rights of the people. The other does things for riches and power. Both do these things at an unacceptable cost.

I prefer to put my trust in the Lord, he will not fail those who believe.

Pray for the true conversion of all the canidates.

 

[vern_humphrey]

Once again, who will not vote for the lesser of two evils automatically votes for the greater of those evils.

There is nothing moral about hiding under a basket and pretending the outside world doesn’t exist.