Why would any woman be a christian?

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Such vitriol. It makes me sick to my stomach to be frank. People like this spit poison and profanity for shock value and have absolutely nothing compelling to say that can be factually supported. How do I respond when I see/hear this? I don’t waste a minute of my life on it.
 
Admittedly, I didn’t manage to watch the whole thing. But I suppose if I were to meet the individual responsible for the video, I would ask him if he is capable of reading. Why? Well, on his shirt, there’s a motto “Keep calm and use logic”. In view of his excessive animation and profanity-laced speech … well, refer to that first phrase–keep calm. Logic? I’m not sure he’d recognize a logical argument if he encountered one.

My life is my response. In my world, vitriol for the sake of shock or attempts at comedy simply aren’t worth my time or my attention.
 
Melissa said:
Admittedly, I didn’t manage to watch the whole thing. But I suppose if I were to meet the individual responsible for the video, I would ask him if he is capable of reading. Why? Well, on his shirt, there’s a motto “Keep calm and use logic”. In view of his excessive animation and profanity-laced speech … well, refer to that first phrase–keep calm. Logic? I’m not sure he’d recognize a logical argument if he encountered one.

My life is my response. In my world, vitriol for the sake of shock or attempts at comedy simply aren’t worth my time or my attention.
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If he actually read and tried to understand the bible he would have nothing to complain about
 
(1) Some of his points are a problem for those who read the Bible literally.
Others are exaggerated, such as that women are the lowest of the low. Mary certainly does not fit that idea.

(2) The easy and quick modern sensibility of equality is not as good as many make it out to be today. The idea of submission to anyone is a negative thing for many today–but I gladly submit to the wisdom of the Church in preference to my own fallible judgment.
 
He raises some good points. I have often wondered this too. Why would you want to be a looked down upon and treated as a second class citizen due to your gender?

I would say that it’s because these Christian women happen to think Christianity is the truth, so maybe they don’t factor in whether they are disrespected, talked down to, etc. So yeah they may acknowledge that they aren’t treated right, but maybe they think God really wants it that way.

From another angle, perhaps they are just picking and choosing what to believe in. Like, they can pretend that misogynists didn’t write the Bible and thus deny all sexist passages, but they can keep the sermon on the mount. Take the stuff about call no man father, but reject the stuff on spare the rod, spoil the child. So maybe they make a pick and choose buffet of Christianity wherein women aren’t treated like crud.
 
VeritasLuxMea said:
He raises some good points. I have often wondered this too. Why would you want to be a looked down upon and treated as a second class citizen due to your gender?

I would say that it’s because these Christian women happen to think Christianity is the truth, so maybe they don’t factor in whether they are disrespected, talked down to, etc. So yeah they may acknowledge that they aren’t treated right, but maybe they think God really wants it that way.

From another angle, perhaps they are just picking and choosing what to believe in. Like, they can pretend that misogynists didn’t write the Bible and thus deny all sexist passages, but they can keep the sermon on the mount. Take the stuff about call no man father, but reject the stuff on spare the rod, spoil the child. So maybe they make a pick and choose buffet of Christianity wherein women aren’t treated like crud.
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When our Lord altered the Mosaic Law forbidding men to divorce their wives He performed the greatest act for woman’s rights in history.
 
ColdComfort said:
When our Lord altered the Mosaic Law forbidding men to divorce their wives He performed the greatest act for woman’s rights in history.
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You mean, so they wouldn’t be thrown out on the street? And what, with women not being treated equally as far as work is concerned, that would be a problem for them, yeah…

In your opinion, does that make up for everything else?
 
VeritasLuxMea said:
You mean, so they wouldn’t be thrown out on the street? And what, with women not being treated equally as far as work is concerned, that would be a problem for them, yeah…

In your opinion, does that make up for everything else?
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Catholicism doesn’t look down at women as 2nd class citizens.
 
ColdComfort said:
When our Lord altered the Mosaic Law forbidding men to divorce their wives He performed the greatest act for woman’s rights in history.
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Or His being born of a Woman or after He rose from the dead He appered first to a woman. :knight1::eek:👍
 
CaptBell800 said:
Catholicism doesn’t look down at women as 2nd class citizens.
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I guess it depends on how you look at it.

Since I’ve joined CAF, I have learned that women are to be:

-Subordinate in the Church
-Subordinate in the Home when married

If those two things are true, would it be fair to use that phrase ‘2nd class citizens’? I don’t know.
 
tabycat said:
Or His being born of a Woman or after He rose from the dead He appered first to a woman. :knight1::eek:👍
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I wonder what this has to do with the practical aspects of the question, though.

In other words, OK, Christ appeared to women, Christ was born of a woman whom we, as Catholics, venerate in a spiritual sense.

However, when we are discussing the treatment/role/etc. of women today, what is the relevance of those facts? It would be perfectly possible for women writ large to be disrespected even while the Holy Mother is honored.
 
VeritasLuxMea said:
I guess it depends on how you look at it.

Since I’ve joined CAF, I have learned that women are to be:

-Subordinate in the Church
-Subordinate in the Home when married

If those two things are true, would it be fair to use that phrase ‘2nd class citizens’? I don’t know.
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Well, I guess it depends on what you mean by subordinate. I wouldn’t say they are subordinate just because they can’t be priests, for example.

As for the home, that’s an awfully hot-button issue. I’d just say to let it work out however the couple are able to make it fit the best. Some men are real “take-charge” types and there are women who like that. Other men have no problem with a more energetic and dominant wife. I don’t see why either scenario is required or forbidden by the Church.
 
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Well, I guess it depends on what you mean by subordinate. I wouldn’t say they are subordinate just because they can’t be priests, for example.
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Well, if someone told me that the Priests, Bishops, Cardinals in general and the Pope in specific aren’t the leaders of our Church, I would look at them funny. Wouldn’t you?

So, men are the leaders of the Church. Women cannot have leadership roles due to their gender.
As for the home, that’s an awfully hot-button issue. I’d just say to let it work out however the couple are able to make it fit the best. Some men are real “take-charge” types and there are women who like that. Other men have no problem with a more energetic and dominant wife. I don’t see why either scenario is required or forbidden by the Church.
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Sure, this is complicated for me. We don’t have any kind of power hierarchy in our household, my wife and I decide things together.

However, there are many who assert that our arrangement is wrong in their view of Catholicism. That the man should make all of the decisions and the wife should follow his directions unless his orders are sinful. I don’t agree with this but many other Catholics do based on some of those verses the guy in the video quoted.
 
VeritasLuxMea said:
Well, if someone told me that the Priests, Bishops, Cardinals in general and the Pope in specific aren’t the leaders of our Church, I would look at them funny. Wouldn’t you?

So, men are the leaders of the Church. Women cannot have leadership roles due to their gender.

Sure, this is complicated for me. We don’t have any kind of power hierarchy in our household, my wife and I decide things together.

However, there are many who assert that our arrangement is wrong in their view of Catholicism. That the man should make all of the decisions and the wife should follow his directions unless his orders are sinful. I don’t agree with this but many other Catholics do based on some of those verses the guy in the video quoted.
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It is true that men are the leaders of the Church, but I still wouldn’t say that makes women subordinate. The leaders have to follow scripture and sacred tradition, so they’re working in pretty tight boundaries. They’ve failed in doing so on many occasions, obviously, but ideally such boundaries would serve to make healthy people, not oppressed ones.

As for the home thing, don’t bother yourself much with differences among the laity. There’s always going to be those kinds of disputes, but the fact is that the religion does not say that women must be trembling, frightened things bowing to the will of their husbands. If anyone says they must, then they are demanding more than what the catechism asks for. If a husband likes a submissive wife and she desires that role, it’s fine. If a husband likes a more dominant wife, it’s fine. Or if they just want to be on an equal level, it’s fine.
 
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VeritasLuxMea said:
I wonder what this has to do with the practical aspects of the question, though.

In other words, OK, Christ appeared to women, Christ was born of a woman whom we, as Catholics, venerate in a spiritual sense.

However, when we are discussing the treatment/role/etc. of women today, what is the relevance of those facts? It would be perfectly possible for women writ large to be disrespected even while the Holy Mother is honored.
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He appeared FIRST to Mary, not to a man, after He rose from the dead. If women were considered so low, why did He not appear to a man first? The point being is that the Lord Jesus Christ expects us (you know you, me, and everybody) to treart others today the same as He did. The problem today there are to many who think (or don’t think) they have to. 🤷 I have a tendecy to forget that some have a blind spot there. 🙂
 
I thought it was funny!!! I actually found myself giggling as the video went on, and I needed that after today. When you stop looking for things to get offended by, the world can be an awfully funny place. Don’t take people too seriously…God made us just a few genes away from cabbage for a reason.
 
I do see his point, but he obviously has misunderstood the context in which some of those verses are found. While it is true that men and women have distinct roles in the Church, this does not mean either sex is deemed to be of more value. Besides, those women who feel a bit shafted can always take comfort in “the last shall be first.” 😉
 
Journey322 said:
I do see his point, but he obviously has misunderstood the context in which some of those verses are found. While it is true that men and women have distinct roles in the Church, this does not mean either sex is deemed to be of more value. Besides, those women who feel a bit shafted can always take comfort in “the last shall be first.” 😉
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This, to me, is never a fun passage. It is one that the slaves of Christian masters had to rely on for comfort, true. But how much better would it have been if those Christian slavemasters had freed their slaves instead?
 
Short answer: she wants to follow Christ, regardless.

What else is out there? If a woman happens to believe in a god or gods, what other major religions are out there that weren’t started by a male during times when society was patriarchal? We can’t change history and it is fact that most societies in the past were patriarchal and still is in some countries/ethnic groups.

It appears that Dusty Smith is atheist. If he is alluding atheism is a superior way of life, I wonder what superior role models does he have in mind that woman should emulate/follow?

Having a single head to lead/represent a household/organisation/country is natural wisdom. Any organization with more than 1 head always leads to confusion to those below and to those who wants to interact with you and creates opportunity for those to sow discord among the heads. In many organisations, males and females have shown capability to be heads. A female can and should be head if they operate in a matriarch society. However, as it is, most societies in the past and at present are patriarchal and it seems fit to have males as heads.

However, going the other way ie having females as head, doesn’t solve the problem either as one can argue against female chauvinism as well. So it is either male or female. However, as in families , the roles male and female play can be different and complementary.
 
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