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Robert_Sock
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I mean, openly gay boys are allowed in the Catholic Church and nobody complains in the least.
Why would anybody condemn the Boy Scouts simply because they allow openly gay boys?
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quiet52
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Read one pastor’s response to the “New Boy Scouts” which he published in his parish bulletin. There is much wisdom here.
starofthesea.net/index.php/our-parish/blog/626-fr-lappes-response-to-new-boy-scouts
As far as your statement above is concerned, the Catholic Church doesn’t “allow” people by category to join the Church. She welcomes people, period. The Boy Scouts of America is not the Church, and it has a different purpose. apples and oranges.
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jmjconder
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I would put forth the reason has to do with with their founding motto. Why is this an issue since most guys in the Scouts are under 18 - and according to their founding statement all of them need to be living moral virtuous lives.
Is this an attempt to bring the SSA issue into another Christian organization?
Why would the Boy Scout organization address this since many I mean almost all of their members need to be chaste according to their long standing motto.
Is this an attempt to bring the SSA issue into another Christian organization?
Why would the Boy Scout organization address this since many I mean almost all of their members need to be chaste according to their long standing motto.
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Robert_Sock
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But gays in the Boy Scouts can be chaste, right?
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gilbs72
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Try to list down reasons why we don’t have girls in the Boy Scouts? Or for that matter, boys in the Girl Scouts?
One thing I can think of is temptation. IMHO boys and girls together in activities that are more difficult to supervise by adults - camping, working alone together, etc. (not the same as Church or high school) provide avenues to temptation and sin. These are young minds still under the great forces of puberty. Same moral dangers apply to boys working with boys who have a tendency to fall for boys (or girls who like girls).
One thing I can think of is temptation. IMHO boys and girls together in activities that are more difficult to supervise by adults - camping, working alone together, etc. (not the same as Church or high school) provide avenues to temptation and sin. These are young minds still under the great forces of puberty. Same moral dangers apply to boys working with boys who have a tendency to fall for boys (or girls who like girls).
meltzerboy
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I think the main reason is conflating sexual attraction and sexual behavior. Any inappropriate sexual behavior should not be condoned in the BSA (or anywhere else). But one should not assume that a gay boy who wants to join the boy scouts does so because he is a sexual predator. This is incorrect.
There are probably other reasons as well, such as the belief that any and all attempts at equality for gay people are part of a nefarious, anti-religious, secular gay agenda. I believe this is wrong as well.
A third reason is the perpetual fear some people have of anything relative to gayness, especially when it concerns children. People are afraid that their straight child will either be sexually molested or sexually indoctrinated by gay boys into believing that being gay is simply an alternative lifestyle. This is contrary to Church teaching. I think, however, that fear is misguided. If anything, it is most likely the gay boys who have more to fear in that if other boys perceive they are gay, they may become the target of ridicule.
Finally, there is the whole macho issue. I would bet that more men are opposed to this change in the BSA policy than women.
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jmjconder
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All boys in the Boy Scouts would be chaste.
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gardenswithkids
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This decision was a “compromise” about a proposed change to allow not just gay scouts but homosexual leaders. It comes within a year of when the BSA re-affirmed that it wasn’t going to do this. Homosexual activists put pressure on the scouts for years and the scouts up until now had defended themselves. The change didn’t go far enough for those who want to see scouting allow homosexual leaders, but it is a foot-in-the-door for homosexual leaders in the future, as many scouts who go through the program eventually go into leadership positions. There are all kinds of reasons why people would object to homosexual leaders in an organization devoted to helping boys become men.
Here’s an article that might provide some further insight:
lifesitenews.com/news/whither-the-boy-scouts-bsas-significant-decision
Here’s an article that might provide some further insight:
lifesitenews.com/news/whither-the-boy-scouts-bsas-significant-decision
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amalia1107
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Please let me know what I must do. Do I support my Pastor rejecting the boy scouts in our parish. Our Archbisop has not stated his view point. San Antonio, Tx.
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ManOnFire
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If I was allowed to go camping with teenage girls when I was a teen…
Is jail really a punishment? I can only imagine being locked up with hundreds of lonely women for extended periods of time…
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edwest2
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That’s the problem. Gay activists forced this. People don’t like being forced. And yeah, teenage boys camping with teenage girls? Great analogy. It would be wrong. Period.
So, read what gay activists want. They want to mentor your kids, gay and straight. Got that?
“Today is a historic day for Boy Scouts across the country who want to be a part of this great American institution,” said HRC President Chad Griffin. “But the new policy doesn’t go far enough. Parents and adults of good moral character, regardless of sexual orientation, should be able to volunteer their time to mentor the next generation of Americans.”
And gay married adults would never tell the kids about that. Mentor? I don’t think so.
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So, read what gay activists want. They want to mentor your kids, gay and straight. Got that?
“Today is a historic day for Boy Scouts across the country who want to be a part of this great American institution,” said HRC President Chad Griffin. “But the new policy doesn’t go far enough. Parents and adults of good moral character, regardless of sexual orientation, should be able to volunteer their time to mentor the next generation of Americans.”
And gay married adults would never tell the kids about that. Mentor? I don’t think so.
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LaSainte
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Even chaste gays were not allowed in the Scouts. If they knew you were gay, you were forced out, period.
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Corki
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That’s somewhat inaccurate. If a person is attracted to members of the same sex, that’s one thing. But “openly gay” usually has the connotation of someone who is open about his activities and wants everyone to support his choices. That brand of “openly gay” would not be welcome in the Church.
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Corki
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It’s not what you must do. If your pastor feels that he doesn’t want his parish to be a sponsor for a Boy Scout troop anymore, that is his responsibility and his choice. You don’t have to agree with it but you have to support his duty to make those kind of decisions. Many faith groups have reached the same decision about the Boy Scouts (and the Girl Scouts, for that matter).
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gracepoole
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JamesCaruso
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If a person believes that SS sex is sinful, why would they be publicly identifying themselves as having SSA? All it does is attract attention to themselves and give some people the false impression that they are either practicing homosexuals or that they advocate SS sex. I would not allow anyone who advocates SS sex to join either my troop or my church. Therefore, there should be no policy with regards to SSA, but there should be a policy regarding persons advocating SS sex.
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CopticChristian
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Openly gay boy comes to the Church, where if they choose to become members, study, go to RCIA and learn that to be openly gay has to be abandoned for celibacy and the best that they can hope for is to struggle with SSA knowing that there may be aid with this struggle.
Openly gay boy comes to the Boy Scouts. Openly gay boy never questions his being openly gay as the Boy Scouts accept openly gay boys.
Why would anyone start another thread about the BSA and being gay having seen what has happened with all the other threads on this topic?
That is the real question.
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Nandarani
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****You have to wade through this to reach the Joe Biden part, amd the two years part, but they will be worth it when you get there.
Who is running our culture and why are you acquiescing to it, and them? . . . not referring to the original poster.
You are not required to acquiesce in the destruction of your culture and this isn’t a dress rehearsal. Get up some gumption. At your present stage of strength, you are no match for a formidable enemy. We’re going to need you down the road. ****
**I’ve got some “why?” answers but first, got to get this out.
Here’s why not, for all you dear people who have decided to keep your sons in the fatally compromised and dying Boy Scouts of America. In a short two years, it will be homosexual scout leaders OR ELSE. The case law will be filed as soon as the first 17 year old ‘openly homosexual’ scout becomes 18, when he will no longer, according to the new ‘rules’ be able to be a scout. Inevitable.
**Tent nights with 7-8 scouts in close quarters. This was downplayed, as I think I understood from listening, at the presentation before voting. I say no more.
If you look for Joe Biden’s Meet the Press interview recently on the subject of homosexual, or perhaps the term would be same sex marriage, you can listen to him crediting Hollywood’s creators for their series “Will and Grace” because, as he says accurately, it is responsible for . . . the change - for playing a major role in molding the masses to embrace homosexual unions.
If you search, you can also find clips from “A New Normal” specifically targeting the Boy Scouts, preparing the way for what has happened. “A New Normal” manifests graphically lesbian content, in addition to uniformed Boy Scouts introducing themselves to a group of cub scouts, announcing that they plan to marry, and have a child. The cub scouts are shown with blank expressions on their faces**.
**So, the ground was well-prepared, and the masses fell in line. Much money is involved behind the scenes. The Girl Scounts are if it is possible an even sorrier scene.
I went onto lifeissues.org and checked out their material on the Girl Scouts, listening to a videotaped interview of the people who began American Heritage Girls - where you can count on Christ being at the center, among other qualities.
So… the situation with the Boy Scouts is anything but benign. **
Who is running our culture and why are you acquiescing to it, and them? . . . not referring to the original poster.
You are not required to acquiesce in the destruction of your culture and this isn’t a dress rehearsal. Get up some gumption. At your present stage of strength, you are no match for a formidable enemy. We’re going to need you down the road. ****
**I’ve got some “why?” answers but first, got to get this out.
- We are in a situation like Roe v Wade, when pictures of aborted babies were categorically forbidden to be introduced into evidence before the decision in the arguments phase. Don’t forget what is being whitewashed here.
- For other readers, no, I am not your enemy. One of my oldest and most treasured family friends, whose history I know well, has been with the same male partner for decades. The recently married couple live unmolested in Washington, D.C. Their activities which, statistically speaking probably included other partners even though his character is a gentle, loyal one, have undoubtedly slowed down, but, as with every other homosexual couple, male or female, I recognize an effect which is visible. God has made none of us able to change anything in terms of results of actions. Some can discern them.
- Interview: I recommend anyone reading this to look up the following, which I did after hearing a recommendation on another network. Heart-felt testimony from a person who attended the vote in Texas, and who is now in the spotlight because he is in the process of starting another organization with refugees from the Boy Scouts. He was interviewed, by Jerry Usher (I think) who was substituting that day, Friday May 24th, for Al Kresta on Kresta in the Afternoon**. You can find the episode at Ave Maria Radio, in the archives.**
Here’s why not, for all you dear people who have decided to keep your sons in the fatally compromised and dying Boy Scouts of America. In a short two years, it will be homosexual scout leaders OR ELSE. The case law will be filed as soon as the first 17 year old ‘openly homosexual’ scout becomes 18, when he will no longer, according to the new ‘rules’ be able to be a scout. Inevitable.
**Tent nights with 7-8 scouts in close quarters. This was downplayed, as I think I understood from listening, at the presentation before voting. I say no more.
If you look for Joe Biden’s Meet the Press interview recently on the subject of homosexual, or perhaps the term would be same sex marriage, you can listen to him crediting Hollywood’s creators for their series “Will and Grace” because, as he says accurately, it is responsible for . . . the change - for playing a major role in molding the masses to embrace homosexual unions.
If you search, you can also find clips from “A New Normal” specifically targeting the Boy Scouts, preparing the way for what has happened. “A New Normal” manifests graphically lesbian content, in addition to uniformed Boy Scouts introducing themselves to a group of cub scouts, announcing that they plan to marry, and have a child. The cub scouts are shown with blank expressions on their faces**.
**So, the ground was well-prepared, and the masses fell in line. Much money is involved behind the scenes. The Girl Scounts are if it is possible an even sorrier scene.
I went onto lifeissues.org and checked out their material on the Girl Scouts, listening to a videotaped interview of the people who began American Heritage Girls - where you can count on Christ being at the center, among other qualities.
So… the situation with the Boy Scouts is anything but benign. **
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CatholicSheila
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There are plenty of gay/lesbian Catholics who live by church teaching that are open about their sexuality. It isn’t all about sex. Honestly, in many ways it just makes life easier. I think we also provide another perspective to other Catholics and Christians in general about how the “anti-homosexual” comments actually come across. I often get offended from what I read about homosexuals on this board and I agree with church teaching.
It is not just about supporting the so-called “homosexual agenda”.
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LaSainte
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I agree. I am in accordance with Church teaching and am married with 2 kids, but I find much of what people say here and the outright paranoia over the “gay agenda” to be way over the top. The amount of time alone that some of these people spend talking about homosexuality vs a million other sins that affect A far greater number of people is particularly telling.
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