Why would anybody condemn the Boy Scouts simply because they allow openly gay boys?

[CopticChristian]

Thanks for admitting you were wrong. We all know exactly why you did not produce a substantive response.

Do you want to provide an alternate view of empiricism based on Google?

 

[Robert_Sock]

I use the word “advocates” in the sense of one who endorses or champions. Jesus does not welcome anyone who “advocates” sin, and that includes SS sex. His welcome is contingent on our turning away from sin, that is, no longer advocating sin. Jesus welcomes sinners who wish to repent, not sinners who want both to continue sinning and be friends with him, which is precisely the false construct that the actively gay “Christian” community is trying to establish. A person may not be able to stop sinning, but if they want to stop, that is, if they no longer “advocate” sin, Jesus welcomes them. Neither Jesus nor the Catholic Church invites people who want to continue disregarding his commandments. He invites us to take up our cross and follow him. Anyone, he says, who does not take up his cross is not worthy of him. One’s cross is first and foremost being willing to give up serious sin in their life. It is more than that, but that is the very least requirement for becoming a Christian. So please don’t tell me that Jesus welcomes everyone, even those who are unwilling to part with sin. That’s what got us into trouble in the first place. Jesus came to save us from sin, not so we could keep on sinning.

Remember to LOVE!!! This is a commandment of Christ!!!

Were all the tax collectors repentant? If yes, something must have led them to repent.

 

[edwest2]

We’re living in a world that is undergoing rapid change. Along with this rapid change is a fair amount of chaos. Homosexuality may indeed be discorded, but it is our duty as a society to accommodate them the best as we can. We’re all in this together, and the ‘true’ solution will come with time, when the world is more stabilized.

That makes no sense. There is no rapid change in the world. Please stick to the subject. Some use the excuse of “Jesus loves everybody,” which is true. Homosexuals in the boy scouts is the subject, OK? So stop worrying about the world. Openly gay scouts will lead to openly gay and married adult same-sex leaders, AND CAUSE NUMBER ONE IS TO PROMOTE GAY MARRIAGE.

As Catholics, we are not to enable that. Am I clear?

Ed

 

[meltzerboy]

I use the word “advocates” in the sense of one who endorses or champions. Jesus does not welcome anyone who “advocates” sin, and that includes SS sex. His welcome is contingent on our turning away from sin, that is, no longer advocating sin. Jesus welcomes sinners who wish to repent, not sinners who want both to continue sinning and be friends with him, which is precisely the false construct that the actively gay “Christian” community is trying to establish. A person may not be able to stop sinning, but if they want to stop, that is, if they no longer “advocate” sin, Jesus welcomes them. Neither Jesus nor the Catholic Church invites people who want to continue disregarding his commandments. He invites us to take up our cross and follow him. Anyone, he says, who does not take up his cross is not worthy of him. One’s cross is first and foremost being willing to give up serious sin in their life. It is more than that, but that is the very least requirement for becoming a Christian. So please don’t tell me that Jesus welcomes everyone, even those who are unwilling to part with sin. That’s what got us into trouble in the first place. Jesus came to save us from sin, not so we could keep on sinning.

How can any person know for sure who is willing and who is unwilling to part from sin, even by observing their behavior? Sometimes people improve in small increments, other times they backslide, and they may also have problems we are unaware of that prevent them from making the effort to change at the moment. When Jesus pardoned the adulterous woman and said “Neither do I condemn you; go and sin no more,” he forgave her first and then told her not to sin anymore. I am not Christian but it seems to me that the primary responsibility of Christians is to be willing to forgive.

 

[Robert_Sock]

That makes no sense. There is no rapid change in the world. Please stick to the subject. Some use the excuse of “Jesus loves everybody,” which is true. Homosexuals in the boy scouts is the subject, OK? So stop worrying about the world. Openly gay scouts will lead to openly gay and married adult same-sex leaders, AND CAUSE NUMBER ONE IS TO PROMOTE GAY MARRIAGE.

As Catholics, we are not to enable that. Am I clear?

Ed

You come off sounding very forceful. I thought I was clear, but apparently not. Just look at the world over the past 150 years and tell me that the world is not undergoing rapid change.

How do you propose we deal with homosexuals, beside trying to alienate them as completely as possible? Your plan lacks LOVE and compassion. If you do not truly LOVE, you are not practicing the Catholic faith.

 

[Ridgerunner]

I am not convinced “we” would expect a heterosexual boy to undress in front of a homosexual boy, or anyone else for that matter.

The fact that it is perverse is obviously irrelevant to the moral issues in this scenario. I have been in Scouting for about ten years. Never once did I undress in front of anyone else. Please help me understand.

I was under the impression that scouts sometimes camped out and didn’t sleep in their daytime clothes; that they sometimes changed to fresh clothing, that they bathed, went to the toilet and sometimes swam. If they do none of those things where you are in the scouts, then I suppose you have a point.

If so, I assume you include girls with all activities, including sharing those tents.

Some of the people involved with troops who do swim, bathe, change clothes, etc are concerned, however.

 

[Ridgerunner]

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How do you propose we deal with homosexuals, beside trying to alienate them as completely as possible?

How about keeping our sexual proclivities to ourselves and expecting them to do the same? Obviously that’s not sufficient for some, or we wouldn’t be having this thread at all.

 

[Baelor]

There is nothing rude about saying that someone that says that Homosexuality and Schizophrenia has something in common as to suffering knows little about what they speak.

I did not say they had anything in common as to suffering. Can you please point out where I said that specifically?

In all seriousness, do you have plans to improve your English reading comprehension? If you PM me, I can offer some test books for standardized tests on the English language, since it is clear that a language barrier still exists.

It is rude and disrespectful to believe you know something you do not know.

Fortunately, I did no such thing.

How rude is it to equate Schizophrenia with Homosexuality? Riddle me that.

I did not equate schizophrenia with homosexuality. Can you please point out where I did that specifically?

Do you want to provide an alternate view of empiricism based on Google?

Strawman. My statement was not based on your response to the empiricism statement. You have no response to my actual post other than stating something that I never argued in the first place and pretending that I said it.

Your desperation is becoming more manifest with each post you make.

 

[Robert_Sock]

How about keeping our sexual proclivities to ourselves and expecting them to do the same? Obviously that’s not sufficient for some, or we wouldn’t be having this thread at all.

But they would still be in the BSA. The only thing that happened is that you are forcing them to repress their homosexual tendencies. Bringing these repressed urges into awareness is the first step to true repentance.

 

[Baelor]

I was under the impression that scouts sometimes camped out and didn’t sleep in their daytime clothes; that they sometimes changed to fresh clothing, that they bathed, went to the toilet and sometimes swam. If they do none of those things where you are in the scouts, then I suppose you have a point.

Nice try, and I do not appreciate your sarcasm, especially since your point is invalid.

First, on some campouts none of those things occur. Second, stop erecting strawmen:
Myself:

I am not convinced “we” would expect a heterosexual boy to undress in front of a homosexual boy, or anyone else for that matter.

There is no reason for any of the activities you mentioned to occur in full view of others.

 

[fix]

I mean, openly gay boys are allowed in the Catholic Church and nobody complains in the least.

The Church instructs people, clearly, on how this inclination must be lived out. The BSA accepts these boys who openly affirm this inclination as healthy and good. The difference is large.

 

[edwest2]

You come off sounding very forceful. I thought I was clear, but apparently not. Just look at the world over the past 150 years and tell me that the world is not undergoing rapid change.

How do you propose we deal with homosexuals, beside trying to alienate them as completely as possible? Your plan lacks LOVE and compassion. If you do not truly LOVE, you are not practicing the Catholic faith.

No one reading this was around 100 years ago, much less 150. Jesus came to call sinners to repentance. Even the Pope goes to Confession. Do you think it might be from all the partying on the weekends or hanging out with the wrong crowd? Catholic compassion has been abused in the past. I saw a picture of a poster that read, “Jesus loves everybody.” But that is only half of the whole picture. He came to call sinners to repentance, and you don’t seem to get that.

catholiceducation.org/articles/apologetics/ap0014.html

I certainly don’t hate anybody. But evil is being brought in front of us undisguised - again. Once again, CAUSE NUMBER ONE FOR GAYS IS GAY MARRIAGE.

Ed

 

[Baelor]

I certainly don’t hate anybody. But evil is being brought in front of us undisguised - again. Once again, CAUSE NUMBER ONE FOR GAYS IS GAY MARRIAGE.

Not true, and rather offensive. Homosexuals are not a bloc. We are not talking about the Borg here.

 

[Ridgerunner]

Nice try, and I do not appreciate your sarcasm, especially since your point is invalid.

First, on some campouts none of those things occur. Second, stop erecting strawmen:

There is no reason for any of the activities you mentioned to occur in full view of others.

On SOME campouts none of those things occur"??? Does that mean that on SOME campouts they do occur??? A “negative pregnant” perhaps?

“no reason for”??? Does that mean it never happens?

“In FULL view”??? Perhaps another negative pregnant? Are you saying no boy ever changes clothes, goes to the bathroom, bathes in view of any other boy, even partially? How do they manage that?

 

[Robert_Sock]

No one reading this was around 100 years ago, much less 150. Jesus came to call sinners to repentance. Even the Pope goes to Confession. Do you think it might be from all the partying on the weekends or hanging out with the wrong crowd? Catholic compassion has been abused in the past. I saw a picture of a poster that read, “Jesus loves everybody.” But that is only half of the whole picture. He came to call sinners to repentance, and you don’t seem to get that.

catholiceducation.org/articles/apologetics/ap0014.html

I certainly don’t hate anybody. But evil is being brought in front of us undisguised - again. Once again, CAUSE NUMBER ONE FOR GAYS IS GAY MARRIAGE.

Ed

Doesn’t matter if people were not around 150 years ago, the fact still remains. And it’s still undergoing rapid change today.

Hate the evil of Satan, but always LOVE the person.

For whatever it may be worth, you sound like an irritable person who is easily agitated. This is a mental disorder that is in need of treatment. (BTW: I’ve got it too!)

 

[Baelor]

On SOME campouts none of those things occur"???

Yes.

Does that mean that on SOME campouts they do occur???

Yes.

“no reason for”??? Does that mean it never happens?

First, in my experience, yes. Second, no Scout is forced to shower, disrobe, or get naked in front of other Scouts. There consequently is no argument here.

Are you saying no boy ever changes clothes, goes to the bathroom, bathes in view of any other boy, even partially? How do they manage that?

Easily. Just do not do any of those things in sight of others. I am still having problems visualizing a scenario in which a boy has no option but to be naked (or anything else that may be construed as immodest) in front of other boys. Perhaps you could help me understand.

 

[Tigg]

We’re living in a world that is undergoing rapid change. Along with this rapid change is a fair amount of chaos. Homosexuality may indeed be discorded, but it is our duty as a society to accommodate them the best as we can. We’re all in this together, and the ‘true’ solution will come with time, when the world is more stabilized.

Sorry, we’ve already got the true solution which is submission to the teachings of Christ. We love gays, but will never accommodate them by submitting to the error in their mind, but of course, the world will.

 

[yellowbird]

On SOME campouts none of those things occur"??? Does that mean that on SOME campouts they do occur??? A “negative pregnant” perhaps?

“no reason for”??? Does that mean it never happens?

“In FULL view”??? Perhaps another negative pregnant? Are you saying no boy ever changes clothes, goes to the bathroom, bathes in view of any other boy, even partially? How do they manage that?

If Scouts do these things, I guarantee they’ve been doing it in front of gay scouts for years.

 

[yellowbird]

Sorry, we’ve already got the true solution which is submission to the teachings of Christ. We love gays, but will never accommodate them by submitting to the error in their mind, but of course, the world will.

And by “submitting to the error in their mind” you mean not allowing them to be boy scouts?

 

[Robert_Sock]

Sorry, we’ve already got the true solution which is submission to the teachings of Christ. We love gays, but will never accommodate them by submitting to the error in their mind, but of course, the world will.

And your solution is to alienate them as much as possible? Is this LOVE? Is this the way Christ dealt with the sinful tax collectors?