Why would anybody condemn the Boy Scouts simply because they allow openly gay boys?

[pnewton]

Well, excuse me for commenting on one of your posts! What on this earth did you expect? You sound edgy this morning, no?

No. Just exercising logic if not proper grammar (I made a mistake). Best not to assume or assign emotions where they do not exist.

 

[fix]

I’m still waiting patiently for those condemning BSA to please interpret the following passage of scripture. Note that I’m not interested in Romans or any other passage. Surly, Christ is accommodating sinners and we must strive to imitate Christ:

And as he sat at table in the house, behold, many tax collectors and sinners came and sat down with Jesus and his disciples. And when the Pharisees saw this, they said to his disciples, “Why does your teacher eat with tax collectors and sinners?” But when he heard it, he said, “Those who are well have no need of a physician, but those who are sick. Go and learn what this means, ‘I desire mercy, and not sacrifice.’ For I came not to call the righteous, but sinners.”
-Matthew 9:9-13

It has been answered before. You just do not like the answer.

 

[Robert_Sock]

It has been answered before. You just do not like the answer.

Maybe I missed it, but all I saw was a post where it was sidetracked by quoting Romans.

 

[Elizabeth502]

Maybe I missed it, but all I saw was a post where it was sidetracked by quoting Romans.

We do not engage in private interpretation of Scripture in the Roman Catholic Church. Part of that private interpretation is separating passages, one from another. Scripture can only be understood as a whole, without material contradiction as to teaching.

You were not sidetracked. You were corrected, and your post was put in context with other parts of Scripture.

However, as fix said, you did not like that answer, even though it’s the answer that your Church gives you.

 

[Robert_Sock]

[snip] However, as fix said, you did not like that answer, even though it’s the answer that your Church gives you.

Do you happen to have a source for that? I would greatly appreciate it. OTOH, I would equally appreciate it if you would retract your post if the Church has yet to address the issue of gay boys being allowed in BSA. Also, a source for Matthew 9:9-13, explaining the Church’s interpretation, would be greatly appreciated.

Please do not beat-around-the-bush like the other posters.

 

[CopticChristian]

Do you happen to have a source for that? I would greatly appreciate it. OTOH, I would equally appreciate it if you would retract your post if the Church has yet to address the issue of gay boys being allowed in BSA. Also, a source for Matthew 9:9-13, explaining the Church’s interpretation, would be greatly appreciated.

Please do not beat-around-the-bush like the other posters.

Robert,

If you are not aware, then allow me to make you aware, the Church has no official interpretation of many Scripture passages…if you do a search for official interpretation or verses defined by Church you will find this here that lists several verses defined…

Bible Verses Defined by the Catholic Church - Defenders of the …
www.catholic-convert.com/…VersesDefinedByChurch.doc Found on: Google
The Church has officially defined the interpretation for several passages of Scripture, but most people, Catholic or no, don’t realize it. When they do know this is …

Here is another link as well…

cathapol.blogspot.com/2010/04/bible-verses-defined-by-catholic-church.html

I do not believe you will find the verses in Matthew you are looking for…

 

[Robert_Sock]

Robert,

If you are not aware, then allow me to make you aware, the Church has no official interpretation of many Scripture passages…if you do a search for official interpretation or verses defined by Church you will find this here that lists several verses defined…

Here is another link as well…

cathapol.blogspot.com/2010/04/bible-verses-defined-by-catholic-church.html

I do not believe you will find the verses in Matthew you are looking for…

Your first link (in the quoted part) does not work and your second link fails in interpreting Matthew 9:9-13.

 

[CopticChristian]

Your first link (in the quoted part) does not work and your second link fails in interpreting Matthew 9:9-13.

Also, a source for Matthew 9:9-13, explaining the Church’s interpretation, would be greatly appreciated.

Robert,

With the understanding that you asked for the Church explanation of the verses you are asking for, understand that the Church has not defined many verses and when I looked at the list, I do not see the verses you asked for. The links failed because as I said, you may not be aware, the Church has not officially defined many verses and this more likely than not is one of them…so…

Go back where I said do a search…and the link in the quoted part, I understand does not work, and that is why I said do a search…it takes you to a Word Document…when you search look for the defenders blog spot…that when you open it will open the document…the other link works…

The links are not going to work to define anything because the Church has not defined them…

 

[Robert_Sock]

Robert,

With the understanding that you asked for the Church explanation of the verses you are asking for, understand that the Church has not defined many verses and when I looked at the list, I do not see the verses you asked for. The links failed because as I said, you may not be aware, the Church has not officially defined many verses and this more likely than not is one of them…so…

Go back where I said do a search…and the link in the quoted part, I understand does not work, and that is why I said do a search…it takes you to a Word Document…when you search look for the defenders blog spot…that when you open it will open the document…the other link works…

The links are not going to work to define anything because the Church has not defined them…

I think, the biblical version of Matthew 9:9-13 is plain enough to make an inference, but everyone, including you, keep sidetracking by addressing nonsense (why even post links that do not address Matthew 9:9-13). Come on, be honest, and address Matthew 9:9-13 for me.

 

[Robert_Sock]

stbenedictsamherstnyblog.blogspot.com/2013/06/boy-scouts-of-america-bishop-malone.html

Check this out.
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“The recent decision by the Boy Scouts of America to remove a national restriction to allow gay youths as members for the first time in the organization’s history will not impact the Diocese of Buffalo’s support of Boy Scout units. Catholic churches, Catholic schools and Knights of Columbus, Knights of St. John and Holy Name Society chapters proudly support Boy Scout units in Western New York.”*

 

[Robert_Sock]

rockforddiocese.org/BSA

And here. (Note that I got these links off of the Social Justice forum by Buffalo and Cat Herder.

 

[Robert_Sock]

vatican.va/roman_curia/congregations/cfaith/documents/rc_con_cfaith_doc_19920724_homosexual-persons_en.html

The above link is from the Vatican and was also taken from the Social Justice website by april32010. This article runs counter to the above two links and does NOT support openly gay boys joining BSA.

 

[JamesCaruso]

Where does it say that they were seeking repentance? Surly, it would be in the text if they were. Also, would they need a physician if they were already repentant?

“But now I am writing to you that you must not associate with anyone who claims to be a brother or sister, but is sexually immoral or greedy, an idolater or slanderer, a drunkard or swindler. Do not even eat with such people.” 1 COR 5:11

"God will judge those outside. “Expel the wicked person from among you.” 1 COR 5:13

If God wanted unrepentant sinners in his Church, St. Paul would not be telling church members not to associate with them, and even to expel rotten apples.

 

[Robert_Sock]

“But now I am writing to you that you must not associate with anyone who claims to be a brother or sister, but is sexually immoral or greedy, an idolater or slanderer, a drunkard or swindler. Do not even eat with such people.” 1 COR 5:11

"God will judge those outside. “Expel the wicked person from among you.” 1 COR 5:13

If God wanted unrepentant sinners in his Church, St. Paul would not be telling church members not to associate with them, and even to expel rotten apples.

Your view here is largely consistent with the new CDF guidelines, but there still seems to be a gray area where the Church is bound to accept them and treat them with dignity and respect. Maybe I’m wrong, but it looks like the gray area is going to cause division from within the Church, as is happening.

 

[gracepoole]

Your view here is largely consistent with the new CDF guidelines, but there still seems to be a gray area where the Church is bound to accept them and treat them with dignity and respect. Maybe I’m wrong, but it looks like the gray area is going to cause division from within the Church, as is happening.

Exhibit #1: this thread.

 

[shocktrooper]

vatican.va/roman_curia/congregations/cfaith/documents/rc_con_cfaith_doc_19920724_homosexual-persons_en.html

The above link is from the Vatican and was also taken from the Social Justice website by april32010. This article runs counter to the above two links and does NOT support openly gay boys joining BSA.

Robert, that is a great link. From the text, I share this.

1. The “sexual orientation” of a person is not comparable to race, sex, age, etc. also for another reason than that given above which warrants attention. An individual’s sexual orientation is generally not known to others unless he publicly identifies himself as having this orientation or unless some overt behavior manifests it. As a rule, the majority of homosexually oriented persons who seek to lead chaste lives do not publicize their sexual orientation. Hence the problem of discrimination in terms of employment, housing, etc., does not usually arise.

Homosexual persons who assert their homosexuality tend to be precisely those who judge homosexual behavior or lifestyle to be “either completely harmless, if not an entirely good thing” (cf. no. 3), and hence worthy of public approval. It is from this quarter that one is more likely to find those who seek to “manipulate the Church by gaining the often well-intentioned support of her pastors with a view to changing civil statutes and laws” (cf. no. 5), those who use the tactic of protesting that “any and all criticism of or reservations about homosexual people… are simply diverse forms of unjust discrimination” (cf. no. 9).

In addition, there is a danger that legislation which would make homosexuality a basis for entitlements could actually encourage a person with a homosexual orientation to declare his homosexuality or even to seek a partner in order to exploit the provisions of the law.

 

[CopticChristian]

I think, the biblical version of Matthew 9:9-13 is plain enough to make an inference, but everyone, including you, keep sidetracking by addressing nonsense (why even post links that do not address Matthew 9:9-13).

Come on, be honest, and address Matthew 9:9-13 for me .

I did in post 354…