Why would anyone want to be a Mormon or Jehovah Witnesses?

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LaSainte;10750349:
Well, Mormons get to be a God on their own planet, so they have that going for them, which is nice…
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they still teach that? :rolleyes: :eek::eek::rolleyes:
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I have never, ever in my 35 active years as a mormon, ever been taught “I get to be a God on my own planet” Not in any Sunday school lesson, or priesthood quorum, or temple session. Not in any bishopric meeting, or fireside, or hallway discussion. I’ve never seen it in any church literature. I’ve only heard it from critics, and maybe a mormon or two speculating about what the eternities must be like, since the Bible tells us Christ inherited everything the Father hath, and we can be joint heirs with Christ.

We are taught about exhaltation. I know you guys don’t believe it. I know y’all think it’s false doctrine, and feel the need now to counter the notion, and that’s fine. I’m just sticking it out there because it’s what we are actually taught - and not the goofy sensationalistic “eternal sex with a million wives on your own planet” nonsense people keep telling me I am taught.

LDS Gospel Principles manual chapter 47: Exhaltation
 
TheSufi said:
And I feel the same about Jehovah Witnesses as well. Why convert to these two group?
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Regarding the Witnesses:

Someone could easily consider joining because the Witnesses promote their faith as “Bible religion” and are masters of showing how the Christian Bible (supposedly) supports their beliefs. They have their little arguments against, for example, the Trinity/Deity of Christ, life after death, and hell, and they back them up with their carefully chosen passages from the Bible. Their “Bible knowledge” is impressive to Catholics like me back then who never studied the Bible the way they should have.

And they tell you that other Christian churches are really run by Satan, so you’ll look more critically at what they have to say, and if someone else discourages you from joining the Witnesses, they’ll tell you that’s the work of Satan, too.

So, yes, it’s very easy for a Catholic to get involved with the Witnesses. I did. But, I’m glad I did, as I came out of the experience a stronger Catholic.
 
NeuroTypical said:
I have never, ever in my 35 active years as a mormon, ever been taught “I get to be a God on my own planet” Not in any Sunday school lesson, or priesthood quorum, or temple session. Not in any bishopric meeting, or fireside, or hallway discussion. I’ve never seen it in any church literature. I’ve only heard it from critics, and maybe a mormon or two speculating about what the eternities must be like, since the Bible tells us Christ inherited everything the Father hath, and we can be joint heirs with Christ.

We are taught about exhaltation. I know you guys don’t believe it. I know y’all think it’s false doctrine, and feel the need now to counter the notion, and that’s fine. I’m just sticking it out there because it’s what we are actually taught - and not the goofy sensationalistic “eternal sex with a million wives on your own planet” nonsense people keep telling me I am taught.

LDS Gospel Principles manual chapter 47: Exhaltation
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What do you become a god of? What is a god if not the object of the worship of mortals?
 
NeuroTypical said:
I have never, ever in my 35 active years as a mormon, ever been taught “I get to be a God on my own planet” Not in any Sunday school lesson, or priesthood quorum, or temple session. Not in any bishopric meeting, or fireside, or hallway discussion. I’ve never seen it in any church literature. I’ve only heard it from critics, and maybe a mormon or two speculating about what the eternities must be like, since the Bible tells us Christ inherited everything the Father hath, and we can be joint heirs with Christ.

We are taught about exhaltation. I know you guys don’t believe it. I know y’all think it’s false doctrine, and feel the need now to counter the notion, and that’s fine. I’m just sticking it out there because it’s what we are actually taught - and not the goofy sensationalistic “eternal sex with a million wives on your own planet” nonsense people keep telling me I am taught.

LDS Gospel Principles manual chapter 47: Exhaltation
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Please, proselyting is against the rules here and that particular publication is for proselyting.

I was raised LDS and was taught that the spirit children that are born to gods/goddesses would be the spirits that worshiped you. That like the Mormon God, who had this plan to give the spirit children of himself and his wife/wives, physical bodies and a “earthly” experience, you’d want to do the same for your spirit children. To think you were never taught this ever, is really hard for me to believe.

‘“Each one of you has it within the realm of his possibility to develop a kingdom over which you will preside as its king and god. You will need to develop yourself and grow in ability and power and worthiness, to govern such a world with all of its people.” (Spencer W. Kimball, “. . . the Matter of Marriage” [address delivered at University of Utah Institute of Religion, 22 Oct. 1976], 2. Quoted in Doctrines of the Gospel Institute manual).’

‘“The Father has promised us that through our faithfulness we shall be blessed with the fullness of his kingdom. In other words, we will have the privilege of becoming like him. To become like him we must have all the powers of godhood; thus a man and his wife when glorified will have spirit children who eventually will go on an earth like this one we are on and pass through the same kind of experiences, being subject to mortal conditions, and if faithful, then they also will receive the fullness of exaltation and partake of the same blessings. There is no end to this development; it will go on forever. We will become gods and have jurisdiction over worlds, and these worlds will be peopled by our own offspring.” (Apostle Joseph Fielding Smith, Doctrines of Salvation 2:48, quoted in Achieving a Celestial Marriage Student Manual, 132, 1976)’
 
aemcpa said:
What do you become a god of? What is a god if not the object of the worship of mortals?
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Pretty much the sum total of all my thoughts on the matter come from John 6 and Romans 8:17, and a few verses in my D&C which confirm them. Pretty much everything else I consider speculation of man on the details.
 
RebeccaJ said:
I was raised LDS and was taught that the spirit children that are born to gods/goddesses would be the spirits that worshiped you.
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I’ve heard some mormons speculate about such things, but nobody has ever taught it to me. Again, not in any temple session, or temple preparation class, or any other venue.

I understand you doubt my honesty. There’s nothing I can do about that, besides be as honest and transparent as possible and people can judge me however they wish.
‘“Each one of you has it within the realm of his possibility to develop a kingdom over which you will preside as its king and god. You will need to develop yourself and grow in ability and power and worthiness, to govern such a world with all of its people.” (Spencer W. Kimball, “. . . the Matter of Marriage” [address delivered at University of Utah Institute of Religion, 22 Oct. 1976], 2. Quoted in Doctrines of the Gospel Institute manual).’
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Huh. Yeah, I’ve heard of such comments. I can’t find that quote anywhere on my church’s online institute manuals. I don’t know the context, if he was claiming to be speaking prophetically, or offering his thoughts to a college institute class. Can you offer chapter and page? Or a link? I’d like to get the context.
 
NeuroTypical said:
I’ve heard some mormons speculate about such things, but nobody has ever taught it to me. Again, not in any temple session, or temple preparation class, or any other venue.

I understand you doubt my honesty. There’s nothing I can do about that, besides be as honest and transparent as possible and people can judge me however they wish.
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I dont doubt your honesty, I just find it incredible that you blame this teaching of YOUR CHURCH LEADERS on Mormon critics. You ignore a lot, and do a lot of explaining away, is what I think.
Huh. Yeah, I’ve heard of such comments. I can’t find that quote anywhere on my church’s online institute manuals. I don’t know the context, if he was claiming to be speaking prophetically, or offering his thoughts to a college institute class. Can you offer chapter and page? Or a link? I’d like to get the context.
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Your church manuals have changed! I quoted from two of them from the 1970’s. The context is what I told you, as I was taught from these manuals. I had no doubt at that time, whatsoever, that exaltation meant billions of spirit children who would need a planet to live on, and a God to worship. (Which isn’t the heavenly mother of course, but would be the husband.)

But you can just keep pretending that your church never taught these things. :rolleyes:

Maybe we can call this a “plain and precious truth” that has been lost from the “true church”. Apostates that you are. 😛
 
I have been good friends with an LDS lady for forty years now, and she is still trying to convert me. Her grandmother was one of eight wives. She is now 84.
We have great discussions about the LDS faith now and what it was when she was growing up, and she even said it was difficult to keep up with what is in and what is out in their thinking.

At least she has learned from me that Catholics are not the people she was taught.

We enjoy our tit for tats and have always ended our discussions with a hug and grin.
 
NeuroTypical said:
I have never, ever in my 35 active years as a mormon, ever been taught “I get to be a God on my own planet” Not in any Sunday school lesson, or priesthood quorum, or temple session. Not in any bishopric meeting, or fireside, or hallway discussion. I’ve never seen it in any church literature. I’ve only heard it from critics, and maybe a mormon or two speculating about what the eternities must be like, since the Bible tells us Christ inherited everything the Father hath, and we can be joint heirs with Christ.

We are taught about exhaltation. I know you guys don’t believe it. I know y’all think it’s false doctrine, and feel the need now to counter the notion, and that’s fine. I’m just sticking it out there because it’s what we are actually taught - and not the goofy sensationalistic “eternal sex with a million wives on your own planet” nonsense people keep telling me I am taught.

LDS Gospel Principles manual chapter 47: Exhaltation
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I’m not surprised. Outsiders are taught all kinds of crazy things about other religions, whether Mormonism, Catholicism, Judaism, Islam, or Hinduism. I also think sometimes converts to other religions perpetuate the distortions that are taught.
 
LaSainte said:
Well, Mormons get to be a God on their own planet, so they have that going for them, which is nice…
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It is nice. So far I’ve earned three planets and one moon. I’m currently working on getting an asteroid belt. And I’m still trying to figure out how plutoids fit into the overall plan.
 
Plutoids? You must be from the group that stayed in Nauvoo. All the real mormons know the best real estate is found in black holes.
 
Over the years I’ve had Mormons and JW’s at my door. They’re polite, well dressed and will say things to Catholics who truly don’t know their faith or how to defend it. I simply tell them I’m not interested. I can see why one would ask the question, “why would anyone want to be a Mormon or Jehovah Witnesses”? No offense to the two religions, but I’d say it’s just simply being slick on their part. They’re trained to coax people, Catholic and non-Catholics alike, to join their religions.
 
TheSufi said:
I was visited by some Mormons, and after listening to them, I don’t understand why anyone would want to be a Mormon, except that they were born into it. They had no choice in the matter. But to convert to it. I would rather be an Orthodox or Catholic before being a Mormon, the Mormons have no spiritual tradition outside of outward prayer.

And I feel the same about Jehovah Witnesses as well. Why convert to these two group?
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I do not agree. When I looked to the LDS church, I was drawn to the doctrine, which resulted in becoming a member. I had a choice to not become a member so this notion having no choice is not true.
 
Gee, I’m not sure, but the LDS kids are polite and well educated, they are fine upstanding kids. Family values go a long way with the LDS folks.
I’ve never met a rude Mormon missionary in my life. I’ve got LDS friends who are some of the hardest working, kindest most honest, generous folks around.
Just the family values alone might sway me if I had no religion. I’m sure others feel the same way.
In talking to some of the LDS people I know who are converts, the high family values, the morals and ethics of the LDS folks speak volumes.
I"m not looking for a new religion, but if I were, they’d be on my list to check out. 🙂
 
gh4 said:
Gee, I’m not sure, but the LDS kids are polite and well educated, they are fine upstanding kids. Family values go a long way with the LDS folks.
I’ve never met a rude Mormon missionary in my life. I’ve got LDS friends who are some of the hardest working, kindest most honest, generous folks around.
Just the family values alone might sway me if I had no religion. I’m sure others feel the same way.
In talking to some of the LDS people I know who are converts, the high family values, the morals and ethics of the LDS folks speak volumes.
I"m not looking for a new religion, but if I were, they’d be on my list to check out. 🙂
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I appreciate your comments.
 
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