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mathonihah
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It has a healthy growth according to all the information that I am able to access.
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mathonihah
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The word creed has many meanings. For example, you can talk of someone’s “political creed,” by which is meant simply whatever political ideology he believes in. It need not even be a written statement of belief.Please provide something showing he meant Protestant creeds of the time and a reference showing those creeds.
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mathonihah
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It shouldn’t be. Its meaning is clear.What do you mean by testimony? It seems like such an odd word to use.
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twopekinguys
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Now we have gone from “one of the fastest growing” to “healthy”. BIG difference.It has a healthy growth according to all the information that I am able to access.
It is also quite evident that facts don’t mean anything to you, or, you didn’t bother reading Zaff’s link. You choose.
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mathonihah
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That is probably true; but I prefer to stick to the scriptural meaning.This is true. The LDS Standard Works (Bible, Book of Mormon, Pearl of Great Price, Doctrine and Covenants) all state in some fashion that God is eternally God.
However, throughout the history of the LDS Church, various prophets, apostles, and other church authorities, including Joseph Smith, have taught that the God the Father was not always God, that He progressed to Godhood, and that we can follow His example and attain Godhood.
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mathonihah
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The Apostles Creed would certainly be acceptable to the LDS Church; and most of the Nicene Creed would be too.What Protestant creeds? Are you saying that the ancient creeds such as the Apostles Creed and the Nicene Creed and the Athanasian Creed are acceptable to the LDS Church? Of course they aren’t.
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mathonihah
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That is a big article. Don’t have time to read it right now.Now we have gone from “one of the fastest growing” to “healthy”. BIG difference.
It is also quite evident that facts don’t mean anything to you, or, you didn’t bother reading Zaff’s link. You choose.
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dronald
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Mathonihah, I’m not too sure of LDS beliefs but is it true like JW’s they reject the concept of Jesus being God?
Therefore, would you say you reject Christ’s statement in Rev 1:17 When I saw him, I fell at his feet as though dead. Then he placed his right hand on me and said: “Do not be afraid. I am the First and the Last.18 I am the Living One; I was dead, and now look, I am alive for ever and ever! And I hold the keys of death and Hades.
Surely the first and the last is a statement only God can say.
Therefore, would you say you reject Christ’s statement in Rev 1:17 When I saw him, I fell at his feet as though dead. Then he placed his right hand on me and said: “Do not be afraid. I am the First and the Last.18 I am the Living One; I was dead, and now look, I am alive for ever and ever! And I hold the keys of death and Hades.
Surely the first and the last is a statement only God can say.
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SteveVH
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But if you understood the Hebrew meaning of “remembrance” you would also understand that it meant that the sacrifice of Jesus was being made present to us now. It did not mean to just “remember” in the modern sense of the word. In the Catholic Mass, when the bread and wine are consecrated, we are standing under the cross, his sacrifice is made present to us, in that moment, because it is an eternal sacrifice. And then we do what he said we should do. We eat his body and drink his blood which he graciously gives to us under the appearance of bread and wine. It is much more than remembering an event that occurred 2000 years ago.The Sacrament is in remembrance of the sacrifice of Jesus Christ. This is taught in the NT.
Have you ever wondered why you eat bread and drink… oh, that’s right, you don’t drink the wine as Jesus instructed, even commanded. Nevertheless, what is the point of eating bread and drinking water in the LDS view? If you are just remembering the sacrifice, why do you have to eat bread and drink water? Is it to jog your memory? Really, what is the point? The truth is that you do what you do not understand. You only have part of the picture and so it doesn’t make sense. By the way, the same could be said for any faith tradition that denies the real presence of Christ in the Eucharist, not to mention the lack of authority to consecrate the elements in the first place.
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mathonihah
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I assure you that Mormonism has nothing in common with JW beliefs. And yes, we believe Jesus Christ is God, as it says in the Bible (and in the Book of Mormon).Mathonihah, I’m not too sure of LDS beliefs but is it true like JW’s they reject the concept of Jesus being God?
Therefore, would you say you reject Christ’s statement in Rev 1:17 When I saw him, I fell at his feet as though dead. Then he placed his right hand on me and said: “Do not be afraid. I am the First and the Last.18 I am the Living One; I was dead, and now look, I am alive for ever and ever! And I hold the keys of death and Hades.
Surely the first and the last is a statement only God can say.
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dronald
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Ah, okay. Thank you for clearing that up, I was unaware.I assure you that Mormonism has nothing in common with JW beliefs. And yes, we believe Jesus Christ is God, as it says in the Bible (and in the Book of Mormon).
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TexanKnight
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but not in THE God…you believe in the lds godI assure you that Mormonism has nothing in common with JW beliefs. And yes, we believe Jesus Christ is God, as it says in the Bible (and in the Book of Mormon).
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SteveVH
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Then you had better believe Jesus was conceived by the Holy Spirit and not Heavenly Father. You must also believe in the Trinity, the communion of saints, and the holy, catholic Church. I don’t think so.The Apostles Creed would certainly be acceptable to the LDS Church; and most of the Nicene Creed would be too.
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TexanKnight
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sure it is…That is not proof that it is false.
it proves it is a fictional book re: fictional places.
And if you take the other evidences re: where the book came from, etc., it is absolute prrof
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TexanKnight
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folks thought james Jones was a prophet too.I believe that Joseph Smith was a true prophet. No doubts about that.
want some grape koolaide?
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TexanKnight
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lol…I KNEW you would run when faced with facts.I have no more comments to make.
I must be a prophet!
I love it when this happens.
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TexanKnight
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No scientific data can prove the Book of Mormon false.
yes it can
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mathonihah
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Mormons obviously do not believe in transubstantiation or real presence. We believe that the Sacrament is in remembrance of the sacrifice of Jesus Christ. The bread and wine are symbols or emblems of the flesh and blood of Christ. If you are suggesting that the use of the symbols must necessarily mean something more than remembrance, or must imply real presence etc., then we do not agree. Christianity makes use of many symbols, baptism itself being one of them. The use of symbols need not mean more than it does.But if you understood the Hebrew meaning of “remembrance” you would also understand that it meant that the sacrifice of Jesus was being made present to us now. It did not mean to just “remember” in the modern sense of the word. In the Catholic Mass, when the bread and wine are consecrated, we are standing under the cross, his sacrifice is made present to us, in that moment, because it is an eternal sacrifice. And then we do what he said we should do. We eat his body and drink his blood which he graciously gives to us under the appearance of bread and wine. It is much more than remembering an event that occurred 2000 years ago.
Have you ever wondered why you eat bread and drink… oh, that’s right, you don’t drink the wine as Jesus instructed, even commanded. Nevertheless, what is the point of eating bread and drinking water in the LDS view? If you are just remembering the sacrifice, why do you have to eat bread and drink water? Is it to jog your memory? Really, what is the point? The truth is that you do what you do not understand. You only have part of the picture and so it doesn’t make sense. By the way, the same could be said for any faith tradition that denies the real presence of Christ in the Eucharist, not to mention the lack of authority to consecrate the elements in the first place.
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mathonihah
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That is an absurd distinction that you (and other anti-LDS) like to make.but not in THE God…you believe in the lds god
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mathonihah
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Yes, Jesus was conceived by the power of the Holy Ghost. I believe that.Then you had better believe Jesus was conceived by the Holy Spirit and not Heavenly Father.
I certainly believe in the Trinity—the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost—but not in the Trinitarian theology of Nicene and post Nicene Christianity.You must also believe in the Trinity
Yes, I believe in the communion of saints; though our theology of it may not be identical to yours.the communion of saints
In its original meaning (i.e. universal) yes, I believe in that too. None of these are incompatible with Mormonism.and the holy, catholic Church. I don’t think so.
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