Why would anyone want to be a Mormon or Jehovah Witnesses?

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mathonihah said:
So your way of reading that passage is simply to turn a blind eye to John 6:63, and pretend that it doesn’t exist. I got it.
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And you seem to ignore the rest of the message Christ gave by picking verses and taking them out of context do you really believe Christ would tell us to do something knowing it would be useless. JESUS WAS NOT SPEAKING OF HIS FLESH IN THE SACRAMENT HE WAS SPEAKING OF OUR FLESH WHICH PROFITS NOTHING BUT THE SOUL PROFITS ETERNAL LIFE THROUGH THE WORDS HE SPOKE OF THE EUCHARIST HIS FLESH!!! The body doesn’t profit from the eucharist the soul does, maybe you should re-read my post I thought I addressed your post thoroughly. We should probably just stop baptizing too since we don’t see each others sins washing away!!! How funny that you will accept the sacrament of baptism with plain water which has no effect on the flesh but it does on the soul but you can’t accept the bread of life Jesus Christ could possibly be present in the eucharist to feed our souls.🤷
 
mathonihah said:
So your way of reading that passage is simply to turn a blind eye to John 6:63, and pretend that it doesn’t exist. I got it.
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No we don’t turn a blind eye to verse 63, we take in to account verses 48 thru 58 that precede verse 63. It is you who pretends that large passages don’t exist. Mormons are one verse wonders much like Evangelicals and Fundamentalists.
48 I am that bread of life.
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49 Your fathers did eat manna in the wilderness, and are dead.
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50 This is the bread which cometh down from heaven, that a man may eat thereof, and not die.
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51 I am the living bread which came down from heaven: if any man eat of this bread, he shall live for ever: and the bread that I will give is my flesh, which I will give for the life of the world.
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52 The Jews therefore strove among themselves, saying, How can this man give us his flesh to eat?
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53 Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except ye eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink his blood, ye have no life in you.
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54 Whoso eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath eternal life; and I will raise him up at the last day.
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55** For my flesh is meat indeed, and my blood is drink indeed.
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56 He that eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, dwelleth in me, and I in him.
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57 As the living Father hath sent me, and I live by the Father: so he that eateth me, even he shall live by me.
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58 This is that bread which came down from heaven: not as your fathers did eat manna, and are dead: he that eateth of this bread shall live for ever.
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RebeccaJ said:
A I said, I don’t know why you bother with bread and water, or crackers and apple juice. Seem to be superfluous props.
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So when Moses lifted up a brazen serpent in the wilderness, and told the Israelites who were bitten by the poisonous serpents to look upon the brazen serpent and they would be healed, that was also a prop?
 
Well actually now that I think of it if I were mormon I would think God contradicts himself too because first He said all the churches were an abomination and the He said some and before the 70’s mormons didn’t consider themselves Christian but then all of sudden they were, he drinks wine and then tells us it’s bad for us to drink alcohol. Goodness that mormon Jesus/God is very confusing 🤷
 
zaffiroborant said:
No we don’t turn a blind eye to verse 63, we take in to account verses 48 thru 58 that precede verse 63. It is you who pretends that large passages don’t exist. Mormons are one verse wonders much like Evangelicals and Fundamentalists.
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Verse 63 is designed to modify what comes before it. It does not stand in isolation from the rest.
 
CyndiTo411 said:
Well actually now that I think of it if I were mormon I would think God contradicts himself too because first He said all the churches were an abomination and the He said some and before the 70’s mormons didn’t consider themselves Christian but then all of sudden they were, he drinks wine and then tells us it’s bad for us to drink alcohol. Goodness that mormon Jesus/God is very confusing 🤷
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You got all of that backwards and wrong, and not worth the effort to reply to in detail.
 
mathonihah said:
I think that you guys are.
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Hey maybe your right maybe should ask your prophet to ask God who is right;) I have a feeling he might say you’re right hehe whether that’s divine revelation or personal opinion well that’s a whole other thing:rolleyes:
 
mathonihah said:
Why are you contradicting Jesus? He is saying it “profiteth nothing,” and you are saying that it “profiteth something”. Why should I believe you instead of him?
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So you don’t believe Jesus’ flesh profited something. And you believe John 6:63 supports that view?

If that’s what you’re saying, :eek:.
 
mathonihah said:
You got that backwards. I had said that the reason why I am uncomfortable with some LDS interpretations of “bless and sanctify …” in the LDS sacramental prayers is because it moves away from the symbolism and approaches some Christian concepts of Real Presence, not that the symbolism gets close to concept of Real Presence. I am rejecting Real Presence in favor of symbolism, not equating symbolism with Real Presence.
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:rolleyes: Where are these LDS interpretations of “bless and sanctify” that approach some Christian concepts of Real Presence? I’ve never seen them, and no one has said anything like that in this thread.

You seem not to be able to separate the belief in something being “blessed” by the priesthood (i.e. the bread and water, and oil in administering to the sick, quite obviously setting them apart for religious use, as opposed to prior to the blessing/consecration) and something being considered Real Presence.
 
CyndiTo411 said:
Hey maybe your right maybe should ask your prophet to ask God who is right;) I have a feeling he might say you’re right hehe whether that’s divine revelation or personal opinion well that’s a whole other thing:rolleyes:
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Your mocking of my religion gets you nowhere. An honest reading of John 6 should make plain to everyone that it does not support the kind of interpretation you guys are trying to put on it.
 
LivingWaters7 said:
So you don’t believe Jesus’ flesh profited something. And you believe John 6:63 supports that view?

If that’s what you’re saying, :eek:.
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Why don’t you tell us what you think John 6:63 means, and support it with convincing exegesis—instead of shouting from the sidelines?

I think it means that the the physical eating of his flesh profiteth nothing, which is what some of his his disciples had misunderstood him as saying.
 
mathonihah said:
Why don’t you tell us what you think John 6:63 means, and support it with convincing exegesis—instead of shouting from the sidelines?

I think it means that the the physical eating of his flesh profiteth nothing, which is what some of his his disciples had misunderstood him as saying.
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To be honest, after reading the whole chapter together, it’s pretty obvious that Christ was saying that His flesh is the bread of life.

as for what verse 63 says to me is that Christ is telling His apostles that the Spirit will be the one who convinces people of the doctrine of the bread of life, not just going through the motions. For the Spirit is the true converter.
 
LivingWaters7 said:
:rolleyes: Where are these LDS interpretations of “bless and sanctify” that approach some Christian concepts of Real Presence? I’ve never seen them, and no one has said anything like that in this thread.

You seem not to be able to separate the belief in something being “blessed” by the priesthood (i.e. the bread and water, and oil in administering to the sick, quite obviously setting them apart for religious use, as opposed to prior to the blessing/consecration) and something being considered Real Presence.
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I thought you said, “This will be my last post on this issue.” :rolleyes:
 
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