Why would anyone want to be a Mormon or Jehovah Witnesses?

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mathonihah said:
Mormonism is true. It is a restoration of the original and true Church of Jesus Christ. No amount of mocking from you will alter that fact. If you had confidence in your claims, you wouldn’t need to mock Mormonism. That only exposes the hollowness of your claims.
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Your church is false, your prophets are false. Nothing needed to be restored. You and every mormon are saying Christ failed. Do you not see that? And if this is what you trully believe then there will be no mercy on all of your souls. You have been decieved but dont care. So let me tell you something now. My second vision was of Christ and He told me to “protect His Church” He told me to go out and pointed me to a Rock. Now at the time I didnt attend church nor did I ever, repeat, ever read the Bible. So is Christ wrong and you holy ghost correct? I know you wont comment because your a coward. Sorry, but I call it like I see it.
 
mathonihah said:
It is not “hanging,” if by that you mean precariously. It is firmly founded on the testimony of the Holy Ghost. And that is the firmest foundation of faith that anyone can have.
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faith without reason and not in god, but in a convicted con man
 
mathonihah said:
My beliefs are derived partly from the Bible, and partly from modern LDS scripture and revelation. No need for Protestantism.
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The Bible does not tell you what to believe.

What you believe stems from your interpretation or understanding of what is written in the Bible…from what Joseph Smith or what the LDS tells you.

And what Joseph Smith tells you, which the LDS tells you…came from protestant thoughts…so your beliefs and interpretive tradition and understanding is protestant.

Regarding belief or disbelief in the Real Presence in the Eucharist…you said you do not believe this…well this came only after the Protestant Reformation…which you inherited from.

Why don’t you provide proof to us here…provide someone who did not believe in the Real presence prior to the Reformation and who was not declared a heretic.

We are waiting…🍿🍿
 
mathonihah said:
Only those who have the Spirit really know that they know the truth, and have not been deceived.

Okay…how do I tell and find out those who really have the Spirit and who have not been deceived?

How do I test the Spirit?

Hint: This is in the Bible…:confused:
The Catholic Church also has a lot of truth, and it is possible to have a spiritual witness of their truth.
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mathonihah said:
Mormonism is true. It is a restoration of the original and true Church of Jesus Christ. No amount of mocking from you will alter that fact. If you had confidence in your claims, you wouldn’t need to mock Mormonism. That only exposes the hollowness of your claims.
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On the contrary…if you had a defense…you would be providing the counterarguments…🤷
 
mathonihah said:
Only those who have the Spirit really know that they know the truth, and have not been deceived. The Catholic Church also has a lot of truth, and it is possible to have a spiritual witness of their truth. But the Spirit would never tell you that the Restoration is false, because it is true, and the Holy Spirit cannot bear witness otherwise than to the truth.
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By the way…you skipped answering these questions…you do not get off that easily:

*And how has the HS accomplished this?

How does the HS testify? Can you show how the HS does and accomplish this testifying?

How does one test whether what is being testified is true or not? How does one test the truthfulness of a spirit?*
 
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Originally Posted by mathonihah
Mormonism is true. It is a restoration of the original and true Church of Jesus Christ. No amount of mocking from you will alter that fact. If you had confidence in your claims, you wouldn’t need to mock Mormonism. That only exposes the hollowness of your claims.
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Aaaahhh…there is a thing called early church history. You ought to try and learn it and lay off the Mormon diluted version of history.

Yep! Jim Jones said the same…where is he now? Kool Aid will miss him. David Koresh? Where is he now? Up in smoke and spread all over. How about Heaven’s Gate? So your argument is nothing but your feelings lacking any concrete evidence.
 
Originally Posted by mathonihah
As something to be literally eaten? No!
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Ah YES! Again, why haven’t you answered me?

At the Jewish Seder meal did they eat a LITERAL LAMB or mere cookie cut-out symbolizing the lamb?

Any time you feel compelled to answer…let me know because as now you dodge the question.
 
mathonihah said:
Only those who have the Spirit really know that they know the truth, and have not been deceived. The Catholic Church also has a lot of truth, and it is possible to have a spiritual witness of their truth. But the Spirit would never tell you that the Restoration is false, because it is true, and the Holy Spirit cannot bear witness otherwise than to the truth.
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Do you realize that this is Gnosticism? Secret knowledge limited only to the enlightened.
 
mathonihah said:
As something to be literally eaten? No!
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Would you not agree, however, that Christ’s flesh profiteth much? And if you agree with this then you would have to agree that the verse is not speaking of Christ’s flesh, yes?
Therefore it is not applicable to the Eucharist which is, indeed, Christ’s flesh.
 
mathonihah said:
My beliefs are derived partly from the Bible, and partly from modern LDS scripture and revelation. No need for Protestantism.
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Joseph Smith came out of Protestantism, so had some relict Protestant attitudes. But, Joseph Smith also realized the failings of Protestantism and corrected many of them in his restored church. The reformers had rejected the idea of an authoritative church with divine guidance; JS restored this necessary aspect. Also the idea of a priesthood whichsome reformers had abandoned. Some of the early reformers rejected the hierarchical episcopal structure, which JS restored. Congregationalists have a completely different notion of church than Mormons and Catholics do. JS restored the true notion.

In other words, Joseph Smith and his friends could be thought of as reforming Protestantism! And they reformed it back to a form of the church before the reformation! The same can be said about Charles Taze Russell and the Watchtower Society. They both parallel the Catholic church in many ways. Unfortunately, from a Catholic point of view, even though they came back to a proper church structure, their theology is not orthodox.
 
mathonihah said:
The original Christian Church was the one that Jesus established with prophets and Apostles at its heaed, with revelation, and an open canon of scripture. That Church is nowhere to be found today, except in the LDS Church. What more proof do you want?
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Who was the prophet once Jesus died? And then through the 2,000 years of “apostasy” when Jesus specifically said the gates of hell will not prevail? Where are Jesus’ teachings of proxy baptism, endowments, and eternal marriage? He never said “through these handshakes will you gain presence with God”. Surely He would have taught the Apostles that if it was so important!!
 
mathonihah said:
Your need to ignore, overlook, or circumvent a significant exegetical passage is regrettable.
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I take the whole passage into consideration, you only verse 63. Ignoring the bulk a passage and focusing on one verse is very common in LDS, Evangelical and Fundamentalist circles it’s not a method I can get on board with though. I take all of Christ’s words seriously.
 
mathonihah said:
We believe that the Holy Spirit will testify to the truth of the Restoration through the Prophet Joseph Smith, to those who ask in faith, with real intent, acting no hypocrisy before God. The Holy Spirit will not testify to that which is not true.
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I’ve always found this idea that the Holy Spirit will only talk to you if you meet certain requirements terribly terribly sad. It does not show God as being someone who loves you where you are, someone who will call to you at your low points. The LDS version of God is so depressing, like so much of LDS teaching it is very very sad and hopeless.
 
zaffiroborant said:
I take the whole passage into consideration, you only verse 63. Ignoring the bulk a passage and focusing on one verse is very common in LDS, Evangelical and Fundamentalist circles it’s not a method I can get on board with though. I take all of Christ’s words seriously.
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Not to mention that John 6:63 is unrelated to whether or not the Eucharist is the real body and blood of Christ. The one verse upon which his focus is placed has nothing to do with the subject at hand.
 
mathonihah:

Why haven’t you answered my questioned posed at you?

***At the Jewish Seder meal did they eat a REAL LAMB or a mere cookie cut-out symbolizing the lamb? ***

Any time you feel compelled to answer…let me know because as now you continue to dodge the question.
 
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