Why would anyone want to be a Mormon or Jehovah Witnesses?

[RebeccaJ]

There is nothing wrong with polygamy. It has been practiced in Africa, the Orient, and Middle East for centuries. Jews and Muslims have been practising it in their religions for centuries. Even the early Christians used to practise it. Paul advises that a bishop should be “the husband of one wife”. Why would he say that, if the possibility didn’t exist for him to be the husband of more than one wife? If a Christian couldn’t have had more than one wife, why would he need to give them that advice? Was he thinking that they might appoint a heathen to be their bishop?

Adultery is a sin.

Converts to Christ come from all walks of life. St. Paul is not advocating polygamy here, quite the opposite, he is advocating monogamy.

 

[SteveVH]

What is wrong with polygamy? They are legalising Gay marriages everywhere, so maybe they will legalise polygamy too one of these days; I will be the first to practice it!

And as long as the government says its okay then you’re okay with it? You should then start supporting abortion as well. I find it amazing that your moral judgment is based upon how many people engage in a certain activity. If lots of people have been doing it over the centuries then it should be deemed fine for anyone.

Also, are you married? If so, how does your wife feel about your true desire to have relations with someone other than her? Have you told her that if it was legal you would be the first to do it?

 

[mathonihah]

Adultery is a sin.

Converts to Christ come from all walks of life. St. Paul is not advocating polygamy here, quite the opposite, he is advocating monogamy.

God sanctioned it, therefore it cannot be sin. Jesus never condemned polygamy. The Jews were polygamists. Some of his disciples would have been. But he never condemned it. The same goes with Paul. The first Christians were Jews, and they were polygamists. That does not mean that everyone practiced it; but some would have. In every country or society that polygamy has been allowed, those practicing it have been a small percentage of the population. Take Islamic countries of today, where polygamy is allowed; how many people do you think actually practice it? The answer is very few. The fact remains that the earliest Christians were Jews, and they were polygamists. And Jesus or his Apostles never condemned it. Paul is an exception. He is an anti-feminist! He must have had a really rotten wife who turned him against all women! But the fact remains that neither Jesus nor his Apostles ever condemned polygamy, although it was commonly practiced among the Jews and the earliest Christians. And the quote I gave you from Paul definitely proves this. Paul was a Jew. He understood Jewish Law. He doesn’t condemn polygamy either. But for some reason he thinks that monogamy is more befitting the office of a bishop than polygamy!—perhaps for the same reasons that he thinks women should cover their heads in church and not talk!

 

[mathonihah]

And as long as the government says its okay then you’re okay with it? You should then start supporting abortion as well. I find it amazing that your moral judgment is based upon how many people engage in a certain activity. If lots of people have been doing it over the centuries then it should be deemed fine for anyone.

Also, are you married? If so, how does your wife feel about your true desire to have relations with someone other than her? Have you told her that if it was legal you would be the first to do it?

The bit about gay marriages was a joke; but the fact remains that polygamy has been practiced throughout history. The Bible is full of it. The antediluvians practiced it; the post-diluvians practiced it. The patriarchs practiced it. The Jews practiced it. The Law of Moses permitted it. Some of Jesus’ disciples would have practiced it. And the earliest Christians would have practiced it.

 

[RebeccaJ]

God sanctioned it, therefore it cannot be sin. Jesus never condemned polygamy. The Jews were polygamists. Some of his disciples would have been. But he never condemned it. The same goes with Paul. The first Christians were Jews, and they were polygamists. That does not mean that everyone practiced it; but some would have. In every country or society that polygamy has been allowed, those practicing it have been a small percentage of the population. Take Islamic countries of today, where polygamy is allowed; how many people do you think actually practice it? The answer is very few. The fact remains that the earliest Christians were Jews, and they were polygamists. And Jesus or his Apostles never condemned it. Paul is an exception. He is an anti-feminist! He must have had a really rotten wife who turned him against all women! But the fact remains that neither Jesus nor his Apostles ever condemned polygamy, although it was commonly practiced among the Jews and the earliest Christians. And the quote I gave you from Paul definitely proves this. Paul was a Jew. He understood Jewish Law. He doesn’t condemn polygamy either. But for some reason he thinks that monogamy is more befitting the office of a bishop than polygamy!—perhaps for the same reasons that he thinks women should cover their heads in church and not talk!

God has never sanctioned polygamy.

Jesus taught marrying another, while still married, is adultery.

 

[mathonihah]

God has never sanctioned polygamy.

Yes he did. The Bible is full of it.

Jesus taught marrying another, while still married, is adultery.

No he didn’t. Show me where.

 

[twopekinguys]

God sanctioned it, therefore it cannot be sin. Jesus never condemned polygamy. The Jews were polygamists. Some of his disciples would have been. But he never condemned it. The same goes with Paul. The first Christians were Jews, and they were polygamists. That does not mean that everyone practiced it; but some would have. In every country or society that polygamy has been allowed, those practicing it have been a small percentage of the population. Take Islamic countries of today, where polygamy is allowed; how many people do you think actually practice it? The answer is very few. The fact remains that the earliest Christians were Jews, and they were polygamists. And Jesus or his Apostles never condemned it. Paul is an exception. He is an anti-feminist! He must have had a really rotten wife who turned him against all women! But the fact remains that neither Jesus nor his Apostles ever condemned polygamy, although it was commonly practiced among the Jews and the earliest Christians. And the quote I gave you from Paul definitely proves this. Paul was a Jew. He understood Jewish Law. He doesn’t condemn polygamy either. But for some reason he thinks that monogamy is more befitting the office of a bishop than polygamy!—perhaps for the same reasons that he thinks women should cover their heads in church and not talk!

Just because something happened doesn’t mean that God sanctioned it.

CFR

Come on Z, you can do it. Although you haven’t provided any yet, I’ rooting for you.

 

[TexanKnight]

You have an obsession with contradicting me. Whatever I say, you are going to say the opposite.

that is because I speak truth and you do not. Therefore, by my nature of correct dishonesty, I must contradict you. Once you start telling truth, you will see that change.

If I say the sky is blue, you are going to say it is pink!

See? That is another lie. If you said the sky is blue, and the sky was truly blue, I would agree.

If I say rain comes down, you are going to say it goes up! That is why I am not replying to your posts any more, because there is no discussion. You are going to say the opposite of what I say, right or wrong, good or bad, anyway.

You do not respond because you are not truly prepared for people who know more about your church than you do and am here ready to correct your dishonesties about the LDS Church

Now you have started picking up on LW7’s accusations against me, and repeating them. I would inform you that that is against the rules. You are breaking board rules by doing that. My advice to you would be to refrain from breaking the rules. If you have a complaint to make, I suggest you make it to the forum admin, not post it on the boards.

I have broken no rules. I simply stated that your posting style is familiar and that I have though you are a poster who was banned before. Me thinks thou dost protest too much.

I would also advise you that you do look awfully silly contradicting mindlessly everything I say. I say it for your own good. If you really want to look silly, it is no skin off my nose. But you do look awfully silly doing that.

lol…the people here KNOW I speak truth and do not look silly. The fact all YOU could do was call me silly just shows you are yet another Mormon who can’t deal with truth and really does not know his church, No one looked sillier than you did claiming there were no contradictions in the many versions of the First vision when third graders have been able to see them

 

[TexanKnight]

God sanctioned it, therefore it cannot be sin.

God did not sanction it., Joe did after being caught committing adultery with Fanny and needed to cover it.

And your lds god for some reason decided to overrule adultery/polygamy when the lds church faced financial disaster.

 

[twopekinguys]

You have an obsession with contradicting me. Whatever I say, you are going to say the opposite. If I say the sky is blue, you are going to say it is pink! If I say rain comes down, you are going to say it goes up! That is why I am not replying to your posts any more, because there is no discussion. You are going to say the opposite of what I say, right or wrong, good or bad, anyway.

Now you have started picking up on LW7’s accusations against me, and repeating them. I would inform you that that is against the rules. You are breaking board rules by doing that. My advice to you would be to refrain from breaking the rules. If you have a complaint to make, I suggest you make it to the forum admin, not post it on the boards.

I would also advise you that you do look awfully silly contradicting mindlessly everything I say. I say it for your own good. If you really want to look silly, it is no skin off my nose. But you do look awfully silly doing that.

Don’t flatter yourself, calling you out on things is not an “obsession”.

If you are going to be the board nanny and remind people of the rules, maybe it is you that should start reporting things Z.

Just remember, throwing around the persecution card willy nilly doesn’t play well around here.

Just some more friendly advice for you.

 

[mathonihah]

Just because something happened doesn’t mean that God sanctioned it.

CFR

Come on Z, you can do it. Although you haven’t provided any yet, I’ rooting for you.

When prophets and patriarchs did it, that means that God sanctioned it. But if you want a direct sanction, here is one:

"And Nathan said to David, Thou art the man. Thus saith the Lord God of Israel, I anointed thee king over Israel, and I delivered thee out of the hand of Saul;
“And I gave thee thy master’s house, and thy master’s wives into thy bosom, and gave thee the house of Israel and of Judah; and if that had been too little, I would moreover have given unto thee such and such things.” (2 Sam. 12:7–8)

I says that David’s wives were given to him by God. That is a direct sanction. There are more that can be found if you really wanted to look for them.

 

[SteveVH]

The bit about gay marriages was a joke; but the fact remains that polygamy has been practiced throughout history. The Bible is full of it. The antediluvians practiced it; the post-diluvians practiced it. The patriarchs practiced it. The Jews practiced it. The Law of Moses permitted it. Some of Jesus’ disciples would have practiced it. And the earliest Christians would have practiced it.

You have completely missed the point. How does that fact that people, even a great number of people,have engaged in a certain practice over time make that practice morally correct? Homosexuality has been practiced since the beginning of time. People have stolen and murdered and lied and cheated, engaged in fornication and adultery for as long as there have been people. Our government says it is just fine to murder our unborn children.

The fact that polygamy has been and still is practiced by people over the centuries does not lend any credence to the position that it is morally correct and not a sinful practice. We know this because it has been revealed to us by Jesus Christ that it is not God’s will.
Christ speaks truth and nothing but truth, and truth does not change. The Mormon god seems to change “revealed truth” at the drop of a hat. He tells the Old Testament crowd that polygamy is okay and then sends his Son to tell us just the opposite. He then changes his mind again and commands Joseph Smith and his followers to return to the practice of polygamy and then, when things start heating up with Uncle Sam, the Mormon god changes his mind yet again and submits to the authority of the United States (who apparently holds a superior moral position) and once again prohibits the practice.

I guess you never know. You might get lucky. Who is to say that God won’t change his mind tomorrow? Hope springs eternal.

 

[zaffiroborant]

The bit about gay marriages was a joke; but the fact remains that polygamy has been practiced throughout history. The Bible is full of it. The antediluvians practiced it; the post-diluvians practiced it. The patriarchs practiced it. The Jews practiced it. The Law of Moses permitted it. Some of Jesus’ disciples would have practiced it. And the earliest Christians would have practiced it.

Same with slavery, LDS are just fine with that too.

T The patriarchs practiced it. .

I’m not sure why everything the patriarchs did is considered model behavior, you’d think they didn’t need a Savior. Me I’m more comfortable trying to conform my actions to Christ’s words than patriarchs behavior.

 

[mathonihah]

Don’t flatter yourself, calling you out on things is not an “obsession”.

If you are going to be the board nanny and remind people of the rules, maybe it is you that should start reporting things Z.

Just remember, throwing around the persecution card willy nilly doesn’t play well around here.

Just some more friendly advice for you.

And I will not be replying to your posts any more either. This is the last time.

 

[mathonihah]

You have completely missed the point. How does that fact that people, even a great number of people,have engaged in a certain practice over time make that practice morally correct? Homosexuality has been practiced since the beginning of time. People have stolen and murdered and lied and cheated, engaged in fornication and adultery for as long as there have been people. Our government says it is just fine to murder our unborn children.

The fact that polygamy has been and still is practiced by people over the centuries does not lend any credence to the position that it is morally correct and not a sinful practice. We know this because it has been revealed to us by Jesus Christ that it is not God’s will.
Christ speaks truth and nothing but truth, and truth does not change. The Mormon god seems to change “revealed truth” at the drop of a hat. He tells the Old Testament crowd that polygamy is okay and then sends his Son to tell us just the opposite. He then changes his mind again and commands Joseph Smith and his followers to return to the practice of polygamy and then, when things start heating up with Uncle Sam, the Mormon god changes his mind yet again and submits to the authority of the United States, prohibiting the practice.

I guess you never know. You might get lucky. Who is to say that God won’t change his mind tomorrow? Hope springs eternal.

See my last few posts in this thread. Your questions have been answered.

 

[twopekinguys]

When prophets and patriarchs did it, that means that God sanctioned it. But if you want a direct sanction, here is one:

"And Nathan said to David, Thou art the man. Thus saith the Lord God of Israel, I anointed thee king over Israel, and I delivered thee out of the hand of Saul;
“And I gave thee thy master’s house, and thy master’s wives into thy bosom, and gave thee the house of Israel and of Judah; and if that had been too little, I would moreover have given unto thee such and such things.” (2 Sam. 12:7–8)

I says that David’s wives were given to him by God. That is a direct sanction. There are more that can be found if you really wanted to look for them.

Context and comprehension my friend. You are off base. Try reading the whole chapter for context.

You really shouldn’t cherry pick. It doesn’t work well for you.

Come on Z, you’re slipping.

 

[twopekinguys]

And I will not be replying to your posts any more either. This is the last time.

Funny how the truth wounds.

I really pray that some day you see the light, and stop defending the indefensible.

 

[zaffiroborant]

Context and comprehension my friend. You are off base. Try reading the whole chapter for context.

You really shouldn’t cherry pick. It doesn’t work well for you.

Come on Z, you’re slipping.

He doesn’t do context, he picks the verses he likes.

 

[TexanKnight]

You have completely missed the point. How does that fact that people, even a great number of people,have engaged in a certain practice over time make that practice morally correct? Homosexuality has been practiced since the beginning of time. People have stolen and murdered and lied and cheated, engaged in fornication and adultery for as long as there have been people. Our government says it is just fine to murder our unborn children.

The fact that polygamy has been and still is practiced by people over the centuries does not lend any credence to the position that it is morally correct and not a sinful practice. We know this because it has been revealed to us by Jesus Christ that it is not God’s will.
Christ speaks truth and nothing but truth, and truth does not change. The Mormon god seems to change “revealed truth” at the drop of a hat. He tells the Old Testament crowd that polygamy is okay and then sends his Son to tell us just the opposite. He then changes his mind again and commands Joseph Smith and his followers to return to the practice of polygamy and then, when things start heating up with Uncle Sam, the Mormon god changes his mind yet again and submits to the authority of the United States (who apparently holds a superior moral position) and once again prohibits the practice.

I guess you never know. You might get lucky. Who is to say that God won’t change his mind tomorrow? Hope springs eternal.

show us where Jesus sanctioned it in NT…in the meantime, there are over 600 commandments in the OT. Since you rely on the OT for polygamy, how many of the 600 commandments do you follow? I know you are too afraid to respond, but I am hopeful

 

[SteveVH]

See my last few posts in this thread. Your questions have been answered.

Sorry, excuse me, but they have not, which is why I posted what I did. Your answer is that polygamy is fine because everyone does it. I am questioning your moral position on that issue and you have not responded.