Why would anyone want to be a Mormon or Jehovah Witnesses?

[Miriam1947]

God sanctioned it, therefore it cannot be sin. Jesus never condemned polygamy. The Jews were polygamists. Some of his disciples would have been. But he never condemned it. The same goes with Paul. The first Christians were Jews, and they were polygamists. That does not mean that everyone practiced it; but some would have. In every country or society that polygamy has been allowed, those practicing it have been a small percentage of the population. Take Islamic countries of today, where polygamy is allowed; how many people do you think actually practice it? The answer is very few. The fact remains that the earliest Christians were Jews, and they were polygamists. And Jesus or his Apostles never condemned it. Paul is an exception. He is an anti-feminist! He must have had a really rotten wife who turned him against all women! But the fact remains that neither Jesus nor his Apostles ever condemned polygamy, although it was commonly practiced among the Jews and the earliest Christians. And the quote I gave you from Paul definitely proves this. Paul was a Jew. He understood Jewish Law. He doesn’t condemn polygamy either. But for some reason he thinks that monogamy is more befitting the office of a bishop than polygamy!—perhaps for the same reasons that he thinks women should cover their heads in church and not talk!

Polygamy is adultery with a different spelling. And it was condemned by Christ.

 

[TexanKnight]

And I will not be replying to your posts any more either. This is the last time.

lol…if you can’t beat us, ignore us. If we are too smart for you, try to act like we do not exist. If we can prove you follow a false prophet, put your fingers in your ears and cry…

 

[SteveVH]

show us where Jesus sanctioned it in NT…in the meantime, there are over 600 commandments in the OT. Since you rely on the OT for polygamy, how many of the 600 commandments do you follow? I know you are too afraid to respond, but I am hopeful

I am not at all afraid to respond but I’m having a difficult time understanding why your comments are directed to me.

 

[zaffiroborant]

Sorry, excuse me, but they have not, which is why I posted what I did. Your answer is that polygamy is fine because everyone does it. I am questioning your moral position on that issue and you have not responded.

This is a point on understanding that LDS is an abject failure in providing a sound and consistent moral theology. Looking to men’s behavior as a guide for morality results in justifying what ever behavior the respected leaders engage in.

 

[mathonihah]

Sorry, excuse me, but they have not, which is why I posted what I did. Your answer is that polygamy is fine because everyone does it.

Wrong. If you had read the posts, you would know that the answer I gave was that polygamy is fine because (1) prophets and partiarchs in ancient times practiced it (which means that God approved it); and (2) it has the direct sanction of God, such as in 2 Sam. 12:7–8. I have even given you direct evidence that the earliest Christians would have practiced it, with the approval of Jesus and his Apostles. The evidence is overwhelming.

I am questioning your moral judgment on that issue and you have not responded.

I think that is your moral judgement that is under scrutiny here, not mine.

 

[mathonihah]

Polygamy is adultery with a different spelling. And it was condemned by Christ.

So you say.

 

[mathonihah]

I am not at all afraid to respond but I’m having a difficult time understanding why your comments are directed to me.

He is so obsessed with contradicting me (right or wrong) that he has lost sight of whose post he is replying to! LOL! :yawn:

 

[zaffiroborant]

Wrong. If you had read the posts, you would know that the answer I gave was that polygamy is fine because (1) prophets and partiarchs in ancient times practiced it (which means that God approved it); and

Abraham lied and Moses committed murder (which means God approves them)

 

[twopekinguys]

You have an obsession with contradicting me. Whatever I say, you are going to say the opposite. If I say the sky is blue, you are going to say it is pink! If I say rain comes down, you are going to say it goes up! That is why I am not replying to your posts any more, because there is no discussion. You are going to say the opposite of what I say, right or wrong, good or bad, anyway.

Now you have started picking up on LW7’s accusations against me, and repeating them. I would inform you that that is against the rules. You are breaking board rules by doing that. My advice to you would be to refrain from breaking the rules. If you have a complaint to make, I suggest you make it to the forum admin, not post it on the boards.

I would also advise you that you do look awfully silly contradicting mindlessly everything I say. I say it for your own good. If you really want to look silly, it is no skin off my nose. But you do look awfully silly doing that.

Oh, I forgot.

Since you want to be board nanny, you might want to report yourself for circumventing a ban Zerinus.

Just more friendly advice.

 

[SteveVH]

This is a point on understanding that LDS is an abject failure in providing a sound and consistent moral theology. Looking to men’s behavior as a guide for morality results in justifying what ever behavior the respected leaders engage in.

Pretty amazing (and frightening) what can happen to the human mind. How can one hold conflicting truths simultaneously? How can one hold that what is wrong and immoral today was a command from God yesterday and have that work out just fine within their moral conscience and intellect? Might make a good subject for a master’s thesis for an aspiring psychologist.

 

[twopekinguys]

Abraham lied and Moses committed murder (which means God approves them)

So goes mormon logic.

 

[zaffiroborant]

This is a point on understanding that LDS is an abject failure in providing a sound and consistent moral theology. Looking to men’s behavior as a guide for morality results in justifying what ever behavior the respected leaders engage in.
SteveVH;10819391:

Pretty amazing (and frightening) what can happen to the human mind. How can one hold conflicting truths simultaneously? How can one hold that what is wrong and immoral today was a command from God yesterday and have that work out just fine within their moral conscience and intellect? Might make a good subject for a master’s thesis for an aspiring psychologist.

I was going to finish that paragraph with something along the lines of “I find that a frightening way to live”, but it seemed a bit dramatic. But you know it is frightening and there have been many examples in history of just how wrong one can go when you base your morality on the actions of those you hold in high regard. These examples range from small indignities that leave you a little angry to atrocities so enormous you can’t really wrap your head around them.

 

[mathonihah]

Abraham lied and Moses committed murder (which means God approves them)

Abraham didn’t lie; and the circumstances of Moses’ actions are too obscure to call it “murder”. God certainly would not have called a murderer to be one of the greatest prophets of all time.

 

[SteveVH]

I was going to finish that paragraph with something along the lines of “I find that a frightening way to live”, but it seemed a bit dramatic. But you know it is frightening and there have been many examples in history of just how wrong one can go when you base your morality on the actions of those you hold in high regard. These examples range from small indignities that leave you a little angry to atrocities so enormous you can’t really wrap your head around them.

Yes, I hear you.

 

[SteveVH]

Abraham didn’t lie; and the circumstances of Moses’ actions are too obscure to call it “murder”. God certainly would not have called a murderer to be one of the greatest prophets of all time.

Really? How about Paul? How about David? And yes, how about Moses? What is obscure about the murder Moses committed?

 

[mathonihah]

Really? How about Paul? How about David? And yes, how about Moses? What is obscure about the murder Moses committed?

If Paul, David, or any other prophet did anything wrong, God certainly disapproved of it, and made his disapproval known. But there is no record of God disapproving of the practice of polygamy, especially by the prophets and patriarchs. On the contrary, all the evidence suggests the opposite, such as 2 Samuel which I quoted.

With regard to Moses, we don’t know the details. He could have acted in self defense for example. The scripture is not clear. The Bible certainly does not condemn him as a murderer, therefore we have no justification for calling him such.

 

[mathonihah]

This is a point on understanding that LDS is an abject failure in providing a sound and consistent moral theology. Looking to men’s behavior as a guide for morality results in justifying what ever behavior the respected leaders engage in.

Pretty amazing (and frightening) what can happen to the human mind. How can one hold conflicting truths simultaneously? How can one hold that what is wrong and immoral today was a command from God yesterday and have that work out just fine within their moral conscience and intellect? Might make a good subject for a master’s thesis for an aspiring psychologist.

I was going to finish that paragraph with something along the lines of “I find that a frightening way to live”, but it seemed a bit dramatic. But you know it is frightening and there have been many examples in history of just how wrong one can go when you base your morality on the actions of those you hold in high regard. These examples range from small indignities that leave you a little angry to atrocities so enormous you can’t really wrap your head around them.

Yes, I hear you.

And all of this supposedly helps your arguments? How?

 

[TexanKnight]

Still waiting to see you admit you follow ALL of the OT commandments

come out! Don’t be afraid, little buckaroo!

 

[zaffiroborant]

Abraham didn’t lie; and the circumstances of Moses’ actions are too obscure to call it “murder”. God certainly would not have called a murderer to be one of the greatest prophets of all time.

Yes Abraham did lie and the circumstances are not in the least obscure Moses committed murder. You are making weak attempts to label their actions as other than the sinful acts they are. This is the trouble with LDS morality.

 

[kimg901]

If Paul, David, or any other prophet did anything wrong, God certainly disapproved of it, and made his disapproval known. But there is no record of God disapproving of the practice of polygamy, especially by the prophets and patriarchs. On the contrary, all the evidence suggests the opposite, such as 2 Samuel which I quoted.

With regard to Moses, we don’t know the details. He could have acted in self defense for example. The scripture is not clear. The Bible certainly does not condemn him as a murderer, therefore we have no justification for calling him such.

Uh God does disapprove polygamy. One of His Commandments say “Honor thy Father and thy Mother”. It does not say honor thy mothers does it? Abram did not have 2 wives. Sara was his only wife and he had a slave girl, not another wife. For Moses, he did murder a man, but wasnt it in the defense of another? He was not a prophet of the Lord then.