Why would God create if destined for hell?

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If God is all good, all loving and all powerful. If God knows how a person’s entire life will play out, why would God create a life if he knows the person will make choices that will send them to hell?

God creates a life, knowing that the person will reject him, knowing that the person will not repent and knowing that the person will condemn themselves to hell.

Why would an all good and all loving God create lives that He knows for certain will end up in hell for all of eternity?

Wouldn’t the loving and good thing to do, would be not to create the life in the first place, knowing that they will not have to face an eternity in hell?
 
onetimeposter said:
If God is all good, all loving and all powerful. If God knows how a person’s entire life will play out, why would God create a life if he knows the person will make choices that will send them to hell?

God creates a life, knowing that the person will reject him, knowing that the person will not repent and knowing that the person will condemn themselves to hell.

Why would an all good and all loving God create lives that He knows for certain will end up in hell for all of eternity?

Wouldn’t the loving and good thing to do, would be not to create the life in the first place, knowing that they will not have to face an eternity in hell?
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You are suggesting creating only humans that will go to heaven? Eliminating free-will?
 
buffalo said:
You are suggesting creating only humans that will go to heaven? Eliminating free-will?
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If God knows our entire lives before we live it…God knows exactly who is destined for Heaven and Hell…before we are even born…is that not right?

If that is the case, why create a being that will make choices that will have them spend eternity in hell?

Wouldn’t the more loving thing to do, would be not to create that life in the first place, thus guaranteeing that they will not suffer eternity in hell?
 
buffalo said:
You are suggesting creating only humans that will go to heaven? Eliminating free-will?
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That’s a fallacy. Creating only humans that will go to heaven does not entail eliminating free will.
 
onetimeposter said:
If God knows our entire lives before we live it…God knows exactly who is destined for Heaven and Hell…before we are even born…is that not right?

If that is the case, why create a being that will make choices that will have them spend eternity in hell?

Wouldn’t the more loving thing to do, would be not to create that life in the first place, thus guaranteeing that they will not suffer eternity in hell?
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Remember, this soul is not created in a vacuum. We have to help him get to heaven.
 
This is a philosophical question…anyone want to try and answer it? I certainly don’t have the answer…that’s why I’m asking it! 🙂
 
buffalo said:
Then why have them live on earth at all? Create them right in heaven.
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This is not an answer to my claim that what you said is a fallacy.

And, indeed, why not create them right in heaven, where they will still have free will? Are you saying that the only reason for life on earth is to make hell possible?
 
SeekingCatholic said:
This is not an answer to my claim that what you said is a fallacy.

And, indeed, why not create them right in heaven, where they will still have free will? Are you saying that the only reason for life on earth is to make hell possible?
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Nice rebuttal!
 
onetimeposter said:
Wouldn’t the more loving thing to do, would be not to create that life in the first place, thus guaranteeing that they will not suffer eternity in hell?
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This is the same type of logic that leads to many abortions.
 
SeekingCatholic said:
This is not an answer to my claim that what you said is a fallacy.

And, indeed, why not create them right in heaven, where they will still have free will? Are you saying that the only reason for life on earth is to make hell possible?
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Our life on earth is a trial. Heaven- the beatific vision is reserved for those who successfully navigate the trial.
 
onetimeposter said:
If God is all good, all loving and all powerful. If God knows how a person’s entire life will play out, why would God create a life if he knows the person will make choices that will send them to hell?

God creates a life, knowing that the person will reject him, knowing that the person will not repent and knowing that the person will condemn themselves to hell.

Why would an all good and all loving God create lives that He knows for certain will end up in hell for all of eternity?

Wouldn’t the loving and good thing to do, would be not to create the life in the first place, knowing that they will not have to face an eternity in hell?
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I question your most basic premise: that God will send souls to hell for all of eternity. It certainly would be a problem for his Justness to do so (punishing finite sins with infinite punishment - that cannot be considered Just by any definition), and it would also mean his plan to send his Son to save the world was an utter failure since by most accounts, most of humanity is headed there.
 
buffalo said:
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Our life on earth is a trial. Heaven- the beatific vision is reserved for those who successfully navigate the trial.
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IOW, yes, the only purpose of earth is to make hell possible. But the question still remains why couldn’t God only create those whom He knew would successfully navigate the trial.

And still no answer to my claim that creating only humans that will go to heaven does not entail eliminating free will.
 
SeekingCatholic said:
IOW, yes, the only purpose of earth is to make hell possible. But the question still remains why couldn’t God only create those whom He knew would successfully navigate the trial.

And still no answer to my claim that creating only humans that will go to heaven does not entail eliminating free will.
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I agree. God has created beings that apparently have “free will” (Angels, as evidenced by the fallen ones), and yet many of them have the ability to be sinless (Gabriel, Michael, etc.)
 
SeekingCatholic said:
IOW, yes, the only purpose of earth is to make hell possible. But the question still remains why couldn’t God only create those whom He knew would successfully navigate the trial.

And still no answer to my claim that creating only humans that will go to heaven does not entail eliminating free will.
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OK - then the definition of heaven changes.

If God created me to go to heaven - what if I choose not to. Where do I go then?
 
As someone else said in a post elsewhere
“From the Catholic perspective: predestination = prescience + ordination of events influenced by man’s free-will.”
 
buffalo said:
OK - then the definition of heaven changes.

If God created me to go to heaven - what if I choose not to. Where do I go then?
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Then you go to hell. However, God could have foreseen this eventuality and willed not to create you. Or, according to the traditional account, He could have infallibly moved your will such that you would not have chosen not to.
 
SeekingCatholic said:
Then you go to hell. However, God could have foreseen this eventuality and willed not to create you. Or, according to the traditional account, He could have infallibly moved your will such that you would not have chosen not to.
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Either I am a robot or not. If He created me so I wouldn’t He is cooking the books.

This boils down to why doesn’t God show Himself? If He would only prove to me He exists I will no longer sin.

If earth was filled with only those destined for heaven it would be Purgatory.
 
buffalo said:
Either I am a robot or not. If He created me so I wouldn’t He is cooking the books.
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And just why shouldn’t He “cook the books” for everyone? That’s just what He has done in the case of the elect, according to either Thomism (infallibly self-efficacious grace) or Molinism (brute-fact counterfactuals with God willing the external circumstances).
This boils down to why doesn’t God show Himself? If He would only prove to me He exists I will no longer sin.
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If earth was filled with only those destined for heaven it would be Purgatory.
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So? What’s wrong with that?
 
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