Why would god make someone?

[sancte_joseph]

As I understand it the church believes that same sex attractions are not sinful in themselves but the homosexual “act”.

Okaay… sooo having said that does that mean that the church aknowledges that there are homosexual people who can’t help in who they’re attracted to?
because that’s how they were born…
and they expect them to remain celibate?

Finally or ultimately the question comes to…

Why would God make someone gay?

 

[TamM]

The church expects all unmarried people to remain celibate, not just gays.

 

[conservative94]

Gay people choose to be gay. God does not make them that way and there is zero proof that it is somehow genetic.

 

[EmeraldWings]

first of all, look at your sources, who tells us that people are born gay? it’s not like scientists haven’t lied to us before,
i do not believe in the least that God makes people gay, on the other hand, there is very strong influences in our society today that push all manners of lust, sex, and homosexuality on us in every direction, and not to mention all the artificial growth hormones in our milk and meats which makes boys more feminine and girls overly feminine, plus countless other chemicals that do harm to us,
and if you can put two and two together, you will see that all these homosexuals have only been so great in numbers since all the massive pushing of sexual content on society and since our foods have been messed with,
i don’t blame God for any of this, i completely and utterly blame humanity, and the devil…
homosexuality is not natural, even though in and of itself it is no sin, but it certainly was not what God intended from the beginning.
there are several things that can make someone homosexual, lust, bad influences, chemical imbalance…but not God…i know it’s easy enough to just blame God, but if you cannot understand why God would do that to someone, then don’t be so quick to believe it…
i understand the subject of homosexuality is very touchy, so i’m not even going to go any further then this…because in my experience, you cannot have a calm conversation or debate on homosexuality, it is just not possible…
but my answer to your question “Why would God make someone gay?” is this -
i can’t see why or how God would make someone gay, but i see many ways and reasons why society and the devil would…it’s cruel and bears no fruit, i’m not going to let God be blamed when He is not at fault, and might i add, He never is.

 

[Newbie2]

Gay people choose to be gay. God does not make them that way and there is zero proof that it is somehow genetic.

That’s a very judmental and bigoted position to take, unless by “gay” you mean “to be acting upon a same sex attraction”. People cannot help who they are attracted to. They can, however, exercise control over who they become involved with.

The same argument could be made the other way; that SSA could be genetic; there is zero proof that is ***not ***genetic, it’s that the gene(s) that may control attraction have not been found.

People choose to act or not act on their SSA; they do not choose their SSA.

You have no proof that God does not make people with a SSA. Why would that be so hard to believe? God makes people with addictive personalities, God makes people with bipolar disorder, God makes all sorts of people with other crosses to bear and with other conditions that make them highly susceptable to sinful tendencies.

 

[Ralph4454]

Are we playing the blame game here? Should a short person blame God for being short and not able to make it to profesional sport due to his or her short frame? When will it stop?

 

[Luke_K]

As far as I can tell, I was born with a desire to:
-lie when the truth is embarrassing
-complain and resist when my parents tell me to do stuff I don’t want to
-make fun at other people’s expense
-feel pride for being better than others
-make excuses when I fail
-feel jealousy for other people’s blessings
-get angry and vindictive when other people annoy me
-worry about being good-looking
-keep my money for myself
-play video games instead of doing my homework

etc.

Should I be complaining because the Church tells me I shouldn’t do these things that feel so natural to me? On the contrary, I should be thanking her for challenging me to be the son of God that I’m called to be.

 

[sancte_joseph]

The church expects all unmarried people to remain celibate, not just gays.

well yes of course… sorry if i made that unclear or if i made it seem like i didn’t know but that’s not the only reason why gay people can’t act on their attractions…

Gay people choose to be gay. God does not make them that way and there is zero proof that it is somehow genetic.

there is zero proof either way… and I don’t propose that it is genetic…
and our soul isn’t genetic either but we have it… and we can’t prove!? per se that a soul exist but that’s why we are a people of faith…
so i don’t care what scientist say on the subject… i want to know what the church teaches and what other catholics think according to their understanding on the subject just sayin…

Are we playing the blame game here? Should a short person blame God for being short and not able to make it to profesional sport due to his or her short frame? When will it stop?

I don’t blame God for the sun rising and setting… but everything that happens everything that exist has something to do with God… even satan and evil has something to do with God… the difference is that Satan/evil is the lack of God…

So i don’t blame God for anything i was just wondering is there a theory on why God might have made gay people

 

[peary]

As I understand it the church believes that same sex attractions are not sinful in themselves but the homosexual “act”.

Okaay… sooo having said that does that mean that the church aknowledges that there are homosexual people who can’t help in who they’re attracted to?
because that’s how they were born…
and they expect them to remain celibate?

Finally or ultimately the question comes to…

Why would God make someone gay?

There is no scientific proof that people with same sex attraction are born that way.
The Church expects those who have same sex attraction to exercise celibacy the same way it expects heterosexuals to abstain from sexual acts and promiscuity before marriage.
There is always Confession and the Eucharist.
You ask why God would ‘make’ someone gay? The answer is the same as what Christ answered to those who questioned about why the blind man was blind. They asked Him who sinned, he or his parents that the man was born blind. Jesus answered: “Neither, but for the works of God be made manifest in him.”
That takes human weakness to an entirely different level now, doesn’t it?

 

[JaredR]

Gay people choose to be gay.

That’s not what the Church teaches, though.

CCC 2357: “Homosexuality refers to relations between men or between women who experience an exclusive or predominant sexual attraction toward persons of the same sex. It has taken a great variety of forms through the centuries and in different cultures. Its psychological genesis remains largely unexplained. Basing itself on Sacred Scripture, which presents homosexual acts as acts of grave depravity, tradition has always declared that ‘homosexual acts are intrinsically disordered.’ They are contrary to the natural law. They close the sexual act to the gift of life. They do not proceed from a genuine affective and sexual complementarity. Under no circumstances can they be approved.”

CCC 2358: “The number of men and women who have deep-seated homosexual tendencies is not negligible. This inclination, which is objectively disordered, constitutes for most of them a trial. They must be accepted with respect, compassion, and sensitivity. Every sign of unjust discrimination in their regard should be avoided. These persons are called to fulfill God’s will in their lives and, if they are Christians, to unite to the sacrifice of the Lord’s Cross the difficulties they may encounter from their condition.”

 

[rick43235]

Gay people choose to be gay.

Why in the world would someone choose to be gay???

 

[peary]

Gay people choose to be gay. God does not make them that way and there is zero proof that it is somehow genetic.

That is one of the most stupid and ignorant statements ever posted on a thread. Gay people do not choose to be ‘gay’. Did you choose to be heterosexual?

Although there is no scientific evidence that it is caused by genetics, psychiatry has shown that it is an unconscious learned behavior that is reinforced at vulnerable points in a person’s psyche as he or she develops and matures into adulthood, and can be caused by events out of the control of the person.

in order for you to gain some compassion, perhaps the following passage from Scripture can serve your own ego in some capacity:

As he [Jesus] went along, he saw a man blind from birth. His disciples asked him, “Rabbi, who sinned, this man or his parents, that he was born blind?”

“Neither this man nor his parents sinned,” said Jesus, “but this happened so that the work of God might be displayed in his life” (John 9:1-3; NIV).

Now, why don’t you ‘substitute’ the word ‘gay’ for blind?

We have in Exodus this: God says that he will harden Pharaoh’s heart (Ex 4:21, 7:4-5).

And I pray this does not happen with you.

 

[roysheehan]

It is a fact that there are many children born with birth defects of many sorts and also sexual defects such as hermaphrodite’s and retracted testicles in males and abnormally enlarged clitoris in females. All of these birth defects could cause also defective or abnormal sexual behavior as the child grows. Children that are born with a natural placement and growth rate of the sexual organs can be psychologically predisposed to homosexuality by receiving mixed messages from parenting regarding normal and abnormal sexual identity and behavior, so those adult homosexual are most often the result of a distorted and imbalanced childhood development of sex identity. According to the Holy Scriptures it is said by Christ that “some were born eunuchs”. At the time of Christ eunuchs were also castrated men who worked as palace courtier’s. It is not clear why there is evidence that children were born with sexual birth defects although it is clear from all of Scripture both old and new that homosexual “behavior” or actual sexual acts committed in homosexuality is to be condemned as abominable. Obviously God in no way “made” anyone gay as this would contradict the entire text of the Word of God. God holds each person in the world fully responsible for obedience to His Word so it is highly improbable that God would not help a homosexual become obedient to the natural order of creation as He created them male and female for the purpose of multiplying and becoming fruitful.

 

[puzzleannie]

Why would God make someone gay?

there is not a shred of evidence that God “makes someone gay.” You might just as well ask “why does God make some people with Down’s syndrome, a condition caused by defective DNA?”

God does not create people deliberately inflicting them with disorders of any kind. He allows the natural process of generation he created to go on according to natural law. Since all of creation, including mankind, is disordered due to original sin, that natural law process now allows disorder to arise through all kinds of natural influences, destructive agents, mutations, germs, whatever. To say God caused or intended these disorders is to say God caused or intended the underlying original sin, which is false. He created a perfectly ordered universe and a perfectly ordered means of procreation which if undisturbed by man’s actions would have led to generations of perfect babies. Perfect in physical as well as mental and spiritual states.

The causes of homosexuality, or any other personality disorder, are poorly understood, and as yet no genetic link has ever been proven, although their is increasing evidence that pre-natal influences, probably hormonal, may play a role. But that is a huge leap to say God intended that person to suffer in this way, or to suffer from any condition that results from a similar influence.

there are about 1000 threads here debating the cause of homosexuality, what is the point of starting another? Unless someone has new evidence it is old ground and offers nothing of value, and a lot that is destructive such as “people choose to be gay”. No they don’t, anymore than my son chose his chromosonal disorder, or I chose my diabetes or my sister chose to have gene-linked breast cancer. If your name does not begin with B and end with 16 don’t make such moral judgements.

 

[BobObob]

It seems that people here are assuming that people are either “born that way” or “choose to be that way” regarding samesex attraction. We do chose our behaviors, but I don’t think most people are able to choose their attractions.

You should consider whether it is possible to neither be born that way nor chose to have samesex attractions. Regarding this, I would recommend that people see the short video at:

www.homosexuality101.com

 

[st_lucy]

Well I do not know if one is born gay or not. I do know that every one of us has the ability to control our sexuality. God has set rules before us and does expect us to follow those rules. I could not have sex before I was married, no matter how I felt about the person I was with. I can not have sex right now with anyone besides my husband no matter what “feelings” I may think I have for another person.

The point is we all have our faults it does not mean we have to act on them. I personally think that those who suffer from SSA are gifted with a great gift of the ability to become a great Saint. I suppose we all have this with every one of our vices but I think that since SSA seems so open in our culture now a days it makes that much more available. Although I always tell my children that they live in great times, because of the rampant secular world we live in will cultivate great saints.

 

[roysheehan]

There is a great deal of honesty in the statement that gays cannot control their attractions nor can they control their behavior in having sex with another gay. The reason for this is that when a soul is enslaved in an evil behavior, it becomes more and more difficult to say no to the master of evil and after a time, they begin to believe that being homosexual is natural and normal. This is exactly how enslavement works in every case and so sin becomes a normal way of life to the homosexual. And so with each continuous act of homosexuality, the soul of that person becomes more enslaved to that sin and it becomes more difficult to resist the temptation to masturbate. That is why changing from a homosexual is so hard to make happen because the character of that person is so weakened by enslavement that he or she cannot break away without tremendous help from a Godly source of constant support and prayer. It is a fact that homosexuality is really nothing more than two people of the same sex masturbating each other and so the masturbation needs to be stopped first then relearn the natural order of procreation that man and woman unite to create new life and that masturbation is self defeating and actually painful sex, a sort of masochistic/sadistic sex.

 

[ethical_honesty]

“A recent study suggests linkage between a mother’s genetic make-up and homosexuality of her sons. Women have two X chromosomes, one of which is “switched off”. The inactivation of the X chromosome occurs randomly throughout the embryo, resulting in cells that are mosaic with respect to which chromosome is active. In some cases though, it appears that this switching off can occur in a non-random fashion. Bocklandt et al. (2006) reported that, in mothers of homosexual men, the number of women with extreme skewing of X chromosome inactivation is significantly higher than in mothers without gay sons. Thirteen percent of mothers with one gay son, and 23% of mothers with two gay sons showed extreme skewing, compared to 4% percent of mothers without gay sons.[17]”

The above is just one of the many studies which strongly suggest that homosexuality is a genetic predisposition. I would be inclined to reserve judgement until more conclusive data emerges, but seeing as all of our other behaviours are predisposed (and then shaped by life experiences, such as our upbringing) I would not be at all surprised if genetics determines our sexual orientation.

 

[roysheehan]

“A recent study suggests linkage between a mother’s genetic make-up and homosexuality of her sons. Women have two X chromosomes, one of which is “switched off”. The inactivation of the X chromosome occurs randomly throughout the embryo, resulting in cells that are mosaic with respect to which chromosome is active. In some cases though, it appears that this switching off can occur in a non-random fashion. Bocklandt et al. (2006) reported that, in mothers of homosexual men, the number of women with extreme skewing of X chromosome inactivation is significantly higher than in mothers without gay sons. Thirteen percent of mothers with one gay son, and 23% of mothers with two gay sons showed extreme skewing, compared to 4% percent of mothers without gay sons.[17]”

The above is just one of the many studies which strongly suggest that homosexuality is a genetic predisposition. I would be inclined to reserve judgement until more conclusive data emerges, but seeing as all of our other behaviours are predisposed (and then shaped by life experiences, such as our upbringing) I would not be at all surprised if genetics determines our sexual orientation.

No matter how one is genetically oriented it is apparent from Catholic Doctrine and the Scriptures that homosexuality is intrinsically disordered and a mortal sin when acted out on another person or oneself. Church teaching does not absolve what is sin as a genetically inherited disorder in any case and infallible Church Doctrine supersedes any medical science research. Catholic that are genetically heterosexually oriented are required to refrain from acting out on sexual impulses outside of the Sacrament of Marriage so the demand for chastity in a genetically homosexually oriented person is then absolute as it is impossible for the Sacrament of Marriage to occur for a homosexual. Science has already proven through psychology and physical medicine that human behaviour can be regulated and even re-taught and re-oriented medicinally or through psychological therapies even when genetically disordered.

 

[roysheehan]

“A recent study suggests linkage between a mother’s genetic make-up and homosexuality of her sons. Women have two X chromosomes, one of which is “switched off”. The inactivation of the X chromosome occurs randomly throughout the embryo, resulting in cells that are mosaic with respect to which chromosome is active. In some cases though, it appears that this switching off can occur in a non-random fashion. Bocklandt et al. (2006) reported that, in mothers of homosexual men, the number of women with extreme skewing of X chromosome inactivation is significantly higher than in mothers without gay sons. Thirteen percent of mothers with one gay son, and 23% of mothers with two gay sons showed extreme skewing, compared to 4% percent of mothers without gay sons.[17]”

The above is just one of the many studies which strongly suggest that homosexuality is a genetic predisposition. I would be inclined to reserve judgement until more conclusive data emerges, but seeing as all of our other behaviours are predisposed (and then shaped by life experiences, such as our upbringing) I would not be at all surprised if genetics determines our sexual orientation.

There are also studies which indicate hormonal and chemical body fluid changes which take place in persons who repeatedly practice homosexuality so the evidence still does not indicate a specific birth defect. How a person regularly imposes a behaviour on his or her person can easily cause physical changes which are medically and psychologically evident. So it more like which comes first the chicken or the egg in this matter as one has not been proven to precede the other. Homosexual behaviour can definitely cause hormonal changes in the body which are measurable. It is a provable fact that many homosexual select radical hormonal therapies and surgeries to enhance the bodily changes which facilitate the homosexual behaviour to force a sex identification alteration.