Why would God try to save us, right after God created our spirits on the earth?

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Christ supposed to be savior according to Christianity, but, on the other hand, God is the one who creates the spirits of humans on the earth. What’s happening.
 
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That is a belief among Mormons, that God sent our spirits to the earth. The belief in the preexistence of our spirits. It is also taught in the Talmud, but of course the Talmud is a Jewish work, not Christian. Among Christians the belief in the preexistence of our spirits is unusual, the usual belief is that our spirit is created at the moment of conception, so it is created here on earth, not sent down to the earth.
 
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Christ supposed to be savior according to Christianity, but, on the other hand, God is the one who sends the spirits of humans to the earth. What’s happening.
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After creating a person, God gives grace so that that person can share in his divinity, that is, become an adopted son or daughter, through grace and cooperating freely with the grace.

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302 Creation has its own goodness and proper perfection, but it did not spring forth complete from the hands of the Creator. The universe was created “in a state of journeying” (in statu viae) toward an ultimate perfection yet to be attained, to which God has destined it. We call “divine providence” the dispositions by which God guides his creation toward this perfection:
By his providence God protects and governs all things which he has made, “reaching mightily from one end of the earth to the other, and ordering all things well”. For “all are open and laid bare to his eyes”, even those things which are yet to come into existence through the free action of creatures.
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460 The Word became flesh to make us " partakers of the divine nature ":78 "For this is why the Word became man, and the Son of God became the Son of man: so that man, by entering into communion with the Word and thus receiving divine sonship, might become a son of God."79 "For the Son of God became man so that we might become God."80 "The only-begotten Son of God, wanting to make us sharers in his divinity, assumed our nature, so that he, made man, might make men gods."81
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In a way yes. Though not to be God totally, like omnipotent, omniscient, omnipresent.
 
‘God became what we are, that He might bring us to be even what He is Himself.’ - St Irenaeus of Lyons
 
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Wait, are Catholics trying to become God/gods?
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There is no change of nature which remains human, of course.

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442 ‘But when the time had fully come, God sent forth his Son, born of a woman, born under the law, to redeem those who were under the law, so that we might receive adoption as sons.’ …

1997 Grace is a participation in the life of God. It introduces us into the intimacy of Trinitarian life: by Baptism the Christian participates in the grace of Christ, the Head of his Body. As an “adopted son” he can henceforth call God “Father,” in union with the only Son. He receives the life of the Spirit who breathes charity into him and who forms the Church.

1999 The grace of Christ is the gratuitous gift that God makes to us of his own life, infused by the Holy Spirit into our soul to heal it of sin and to sanctify it. It is the sanctifying or deifying grace received in Baptism. It is in us the source of the work of sanctification:48
Therefore if any one is in Christ, he is a new creation; the old has passed away, behold, the new has come. All this is from God, who through Christ reconciled us to himself.49
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God desires that all persons be saved
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So why? God is the one who is sending us or creating us on the earth? Why would God try to save us rightafter he sent and/or created us? Why? What’s happening?
 
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Needy1 said:
So why?
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God created us for relationship with Himself. He wants us to enjoy His presence for an eternity.
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God is the one who is sending us or creating us on the earth?
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Do you consider the creation of human persons or our dwelling on planet earth to be a hostile act on God’s part?
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Why would God try to save us rightafter he sent and/or created us? Why? What’s happening?
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God created humanity to dwell with Him in paradise. Human beings sinned by choosing to violate His Laws. He sent Jesus to save us from the separation that sin created between us, so that we would not be cut off for eternity.

I think you are being misled by some false doctrines. The nature of your questions indicates that you have been given misinformation.
 
So, according to Christianity, also you, God created us. However we were born on earth. So God is creating or sending our spirit on earth. Is it wrong?

If it’s not wrong, God letting us born on the place where dominated and controlled by the devil. Is it wrong? I have heard this from Catholics on past topic of mine.

And, Christ is called as Savior sometimes. So I’m asking why would God try to save us from the world, devil and damnation etc if God letting us born on that kind of world.

Why do we born as the descendant of Adam and Eve, which is corrupted according to Christianity by the way? I think God could have created us as non descendant of Adam on other world etc, by the almighty power.
 
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So, according to Christianity, also you, God created us. However we were born on earth. So God is creating or sending our spirit on earth. Is it wrong?
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My position is informed by what Jesus taught, yes. God created us. Yes, to date I think all human beings were born on earth. We believe that God creates a unique soul and joins it to each new human person.

I am not sure what you mean by “sending our spirit to earth”.
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God letting us born on the place where dominated and controlled by the devil.
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Yes and no. The devil has been given freedom on earth until the day of judgment, but Christians are not dominated or controlled by the devil, because we have been freed from the slavery of sin by Christ.
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And, Christ is called as Savior sometimes.
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Christians regard Christ as the Savior all the time.
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So I’m asking why would God try to save us from the world, devil and damnation etc if God letting us born on that kind of world.
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God created us to live in harmony with Him, and wants us to be in His presence for eternity. This can only happen if He saves us from the world, the flesh, and the devil.

In short, God allows evil so that good can triumph. He demonstrates His love for us, and His glory by delivering us from evil.
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Why do we born as the descendant of Adam and Eve, which is corrupted according to Christianity by the way?
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Catholics believe that God created humans as “good”, and the effects of the Fall, though they leave people wounded, do not erase the image of God and dignity in which we are created. Our wills have become corrupted, but we overcome this corruption by walking in the Spirit.
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I think God could have created us as non descendant of Adam on other world etc, by the almighty power.
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Of course. God can create whatever He wants, however He likes. He chose to create Adam and Eve, and to give them free will.
 
What we are talking about in this thread is the mystery of procreation.

We receive life from God and from our human parents. God creates our souls and unites them with our bodies, at the moment our bodies are conceived.

In some mysterious way, the effects of the Fall then begin to affect our whole human persons, body and soul. The effects remain until Baptism, and there are aftereffects called concupiscence that we fight all our lives, until bodily death.

God did not have to allow this. Obviously He miraculously made things work differently for the Virgin Mary, by completely preventing the Fall 's effects on her body and soul, at the moment of conception.

On the other hand, it is wonderful that humans can help God create new humans, through procreation.

So there is a lot of mystery about why God chose to do things like this, and why He allows both the effects of the first sin to continue, while also giving us such glorious powers and responsibilities.
 
So you’re thinking that God is your Savior, right?

But, isn’t the God the one who created you on earth where evil exists and dominated by devil? Same as your fresh and your bloodline. Who jointed your spirit to the fresh which is inheriting the sins of Adam and Eve?

Right after that kind of events, God is now trying to save us? 😵
 
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Christ supposed to be savior according to Christianity, but, on the other hand, God is the one who creates the spirits of humans on the earth. What’s happening.
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Its the mystery of the Holy Trinity…sometimes “God” is confused with “the Father”.

All three persons of the Godhead (the Holy Trinity; God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit) were involved in the creative process.

God the Father was the design engineer of creation…God the Son was the construction engineer…God the Holy Spirit is the maintenance engineer.

After the Father laid the plans, the Son (as the Word) executed them (“Let there be…and there was”) and the Holy Spirit hovered over the waters, seeing “it was good” and would be called upon after the earthly mission of the Son (as the incarnate) ended, to keep creation running in the working order conceived by the father.

Excuse my crassness, but its kind of like Disneyland…Walt Disney had the vision, and laid it out, construction engineers built it, and maintenance engineers kept it in running condition, as it was designed over the years.

Peace and all good!
 
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But, isn’t the God the one who created you on earth where evil exists and dominated by devil? Same as your fresh and your bloodline. Who jointed your spirit to the fresh which is inheriting the sins of Adam and Eve?
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Adam and Eve had free will to choose whether to obey or disobey God. They freely chose to disobey God and as a result God cast them out of the garden of eden. He removed his Grace from man. Jesus’ sacrifice on the cross restored our Grace.

Adam disobeyed.
Jesus obeyed even unto death.

Although we still live in a fallen world we are no longer permanently exiled from God but now have the individual choice as to either obey God or reject him. Free will is about choosing to do right or wrong, not having the right to do whatever we want to do. It is strictly a moral choice.
 
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So you’re thinking that God is your Savior, right?
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Yes.
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But, isn’t the God the one who created you on earth where evil exists and dominated by devil?
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God created us here on earth, but we are not dominated by the devil. Neither has the world God created lost it’s essential “goodness” in which it was created.

18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and wickedness of those who by their wickedness suppress the truth. 19 For what can be known about God is plain to them, because God has shown it to them. 20 Ever since the creation of the world his eternal power and divine nature, invisible though they are, have been understood and seen through the things he has made. So they are without excuse; 21 for though they knew God, they did not honor him as God or give thanks to him, but they became futile in their thinking, and their senseless minds were darkened. 22 Claiming to be wise, they became fools; Rom 1

Despite the work of Satan, God can still be perceived in the creation by those who seek Him.
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Same as your fresh and your bloodline.
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I am sorry, I think you lost me here.
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Who jointed your spirit to the fresh which is inheriting the sins of Adam and Eve?
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God joins the human soul to the flesh of each created human being.

We do not “inherit the sins of Adam and Eve”. We inherit the consequences of their choice.
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Right after that kind of events, God is now trying to save us?
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God saved us by sending His Son who bore our sin in His Body on the cross, nailing our sins to the wood, so that we are at last free of slavery to sin.
 
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