Why would Jesus choose to follow the OT if he wanted Christians to then reject it?

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Once again, I’ll guide you to the whole chapter of Matthew 23.

Jesus talkes about hypocrites, being the Pharisees,

It’s an awesome chapter. Again, this will only take about 60 to 90 seconds to read

And as I said earlier, if you wish me to link the chapter, I shall do so.
Matthew 23:34-39

So God declares the miseries the inhabitants of Jerusalem were about to bring upon themselves, but he does not notice the sufferings he was to undergo. How is that possible, he’s God, omniscient,knowledgeable about everything, coupled with an understanding incomprehensible by humans…
 
Jesus himself was an observant Jew. From what i’ve heard Christians take the example of Jesus and try to be like him as much as possible, in character and actions. It is to the point of madness to choose some parts but reject other parts. Having the intention of looking at all of Jesus’ example and acting on them is what i would say is a good Christian. So why pick and choose?
More to the point, if Jesus did not want Christians to follow the OT, why would Jesus choose to follow the OT if he wanted Christians to then reject it?
 
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Jesus himself was an observant Jew. From what i’ve heard Christians take the example of Jesus and try to be like him as much as possible, in character and actions. It is to the point of madness to choose some parts but reject other parts. Having the intention of looking at all of Jesus’ example and acting on them is what i would say is a good Christian. So why pick and choose?
More to the point, if Jesus did not want Christians to follow the OT, why would Jesus choose to follow the OT if he wanted Christians to then reject it?
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Mark 3

1Again he entered the synagogue, and a man was there with a withered hand. 2And they watched Jesus, to see whether he would heal him on the Sabbath, so that they might accuse him. 3And he said to the man with the withered hand, “Come here.” 4And he said to them, “Is it lawful on the Sabbath to do good or to do harm, to save life or to kill?” But they were silent. 5And he looked around at them with anger, grieved at their hardness of heart, and said to the man, “Stretch out your hand.” He stretched it out, and his hand was restored. 6The Pharisees went out and immediately held counsel with the Herodians against him, how to destroy him.

Just sayin, 🤷

Jon
 
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Jesus himself was an observant Jew. From what i’ve heard Christians take the example of Jesus and try to be like him as much as possible, in character and actions. It is to the point of madness to choose some parts but reject other parts. Having the intention of looking at all of Jesus’ example and acting on them is what i would say is a good Christian. So why pick and choose?
More to the point, if Jesus did not want Christians to follow the OT, why would Jesus choose to follow the OT if he wanted Christians to then reject it?
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Jesus followed the law to fulfill it. We did not cease to follow the OT, but Jesus taught us the reality of the OT. He separated what was the “laws of man”, which is where St. Paul condemned the “works of the law”, vs. the true Christian life. Jesus revealed that what is in the Old Testament was supposed to point to a reality, not to be the end of itself. The Old Testament wasn’t abolished, it was perfected. With our better understanding today, we continue the spirit of what God has taught through the prophets in the Old Testament, but with a clearer understanding because of Jesus Christ.
 
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You’re too funny expounder: 😃

You titled your thread: ** At the request of Jakasaki**

Be well & all my best that you receive the answers you are seeking:

Pam
 
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expounder, CAF is a public forum. If a poster request for a new thread, that could be because we should not digress from the topic of a thread and therefore to start another one and discuss according to the title of the thread. You could name a thread according to the topic you want discussed. It is discouraged being personal here. You can use PM for that purpose.

God bless.
 
Ok, sorry, but i think i have found what i need to know from an unlikely source 👍
So mods can close this thread if they want
 
expounder, Catholics are following the CCC (Catechism of the Catholic Church) which is the Church doctrine and teachings taken from the Scriptures (OT+NT) and the Church Fathers throughout the Church history, imagine the concept of putting (Quran+Hadith+Fatwas) all in one book.
 
If you where serious you would research some of these questions you have instead of making yourself look foolish. Your question has already been answered so no need for me to explain. Just wanted to put my :twocents: in.
 
In perfectly fulfilling the old Christ brought about the new which was much like the old but certain aspects are not reuqired by anyone. We do not need kosher, circumcision profits absolutely nothing but we are still to forbid idolatry and worship God.
 
He doesn’t want Christians to reject the OT. We aren’t Marcionists.

Christ established a New Covenant in the fullness of time to give us the fullness of truth. The OT prepares for the Passion and Glorification of Christ, and the New Covenant Christ established perfects the Old Covenant and abolishes its rules that aren’t needed in the New Covenant (i.e sacrifices, since Christ is the final and definitive sacrifice).
 
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If you where serious you would research some of these questions you have instead of making yourself look foolish. Your question has already been answered so no need for me to explain. Just wanted to put my :twocents: in.
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He who asks is a fool for five minutes, but he who does not ask remains
a fool forever.
– Old Chinese saying
So don’t be worried or afraid to ask questions, this is an online forum, it doesn’t matter what anyone thinks anyway… because you’re as good as anonymous here 👍
 
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I think this may be a rather interesting discussion, but I’m not entirely sure that I understand in what regard we are saying that Jesus followed the Old Testament, or in what way modern day Christians should likewise follow the Old Testament. Are we talking about Old Testament law, or Old Testament myth tradition, or living in some sort of resonance with Old Testament cultural observances? All three can be problematic when cast in the light of the roughly 3,000 years of intellectual, technological and spiritual development that has transpired since many of the books of the Torah in particular were written.
 
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I think this may be a rather interesting discussion, but I’m not entirely sure that I understand in what regard we are saying that Jesus followed the Old Testament, or in what way modern day Christians should likewise follow the Old Testament. Are we talking about Old Testament law, or Old Testament myth tradition, or living in some sort of resonance with Old Testament cultural observances? All three can be problematic when cast in the light of the roughly 3,000 years of intellectual, technological and spiritual development that has transpired since many of the books of the Torah in particular were written.
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Well Jesus was said to be a full on Rabbi prior to his resurrection so he did follow the OT fully. However from what i understand the reason why God chose different laws for Christians is because the survival of the Jews was needed in order for the faith of Christianity to be established. In the words of Paul, “the law has become our tutor to lead us to Christ, but now that faith has come, we are no longer under a tutor.”
The Old Testament times were very difficult and there were many nations that warred against Israel.Therefore, God instituted laws, as difficult as they were, that were consistent with the culture of the times, that ensured the survival of the Jewish nation, that helped to maintain social structure, and also reflected the harshness of the law.
 
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