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Needy1
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So are you saying that they’re deserve to get punished like that? If so, why did God command love your enemy to the Christians? It seems like the enemies got hated and massacred?
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ahs
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Well, now you are changing the subject, so please clarify: are you wanting to know why God allows people to suffer the consequence of their choice? Or are you wondering why He allows the innocent to suffer?So taking, by your own definition, a caterpillar parisitised by a wasp, whose larvae is eating it from the inside out, a system apparently by your belief repeatedly designed by God, what have you to say about how a loving God can do this, millions of times a day?
You also seem to be conflating “allow” with “do”; those are different things.
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1ke
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There are many good Catholic bible studies and bible commentaries on the apocalyptic literature of the Bible— Daniel, Revelation, etc. I recommend you buy one or borrow one from the library:
Ignatius Catholic Study Bible on the Letters of John and Revelation; Navarre Bible books of Revelation, Hebrews, and the Catholic Letters; The Collegeville Commentary on Revelation; Catholic Commentary on Sacred Scripture: Revelation; Little Rock Scripture Study set for Revelation — just to name a few.
Ignatius Catholic Study Bible on the Letters of John and Revelation; Navarre Bible books of Revelation, Hebrews, and the Catholic Letters; The Collegeville Commentary on Revelation; Catholic Commentary on Sacred Scripture: Revelation; Little Rock Scripture Study set for Revelation — just to name a few.
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PetraG
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You make it sound as if love intends to allow oppression go on unchecked, because preserving evil-doers from the consequences of all they have inflicted on others is the “loving” thing, in the big picture.So are you saying that they’re deserve to get punished like that? If so, why did God command love your enemy to the Christians? It seems like the enemies got hated and massacred?
Is that really a “big picture” that makes sense to you?
The command to Christians is to allow God to do the judging and to mete out the justice, because if God is the judge, it can be trusted that the consequences actually WILL BE wholly just:
Do not repay anyone evil for evil; be concerned for what is noble in the sight of all.
If possible, on your part, live at peace with all.
Beloved, do not look for revenge but leave room for the wrath; for it is written, “Vengeance is mine, I will repay, says the Lord.”
Rather, “if your enemy is hungry, feed him; if he is thirsty, give him something to drink; for by so doing you will heap burning coals upon his head.”
Do not be conquered by evil but conquer evil with good.
Rom. 12:17-21
Those who did not cooperate with the beast are spared. Not those who said and did “the right things,” but those who refused cooperation with the great persecution and the great evils perpetuated on mankind. That implies that some little child whose parents were doing evil, for instance, would be spared. None of the innocent are being caught up with the evil. What is being described is a just Day of Judgment after a horrific crime spree.
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Needy1
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Ty for the replies, everyone.
I still need more answers. How can you ppl tolerate these verses? Do all of you think that these things are justice, right and just? And holy, the good? Or what? Why?
I still need more answers. How can you ppl tolerate these verses? Do all of you think that these things are justice, right and just? And holy, the good? Or what? Why?
Tis_Bearself
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Why are you still asking these questions when other people have given you many good answers above?
It sounds like you are asking the same question over and over and over without reading replies. Or maybe you are not understanding something you read?
Also there are many past threads on this that you could read. But it seems like instead you just ask the same question again and again? Why?
Why do you ask the same things over and over, or is this somehow a different question to you?
Edited to add, it seems also like maybe there is a language barrier because you say you are learning English. Have you considered discussing these questions with a Catholic priest or Catholic teacher in your area who can speak in your language? It might be easier, if you really want to learn.
It sounds like you are asking the same question over and over and over without reading replies. Or maybe you are not understanding something you read?
Also there are many past threads on this that you could read. But it seems like instead you just ask the same question again and again? Why?
Why do you ask the same things over and over, or is this somehow a different question to you?
Edited to add, it seems also like maybe there is a language barrier because you say you are learning English. Have you considered discussing these questions with a Catholic priest or Catholic teacher in your area who can speak in your language? It might be easier, if you really want to learn.
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Daisy
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“They were given authority over a quarter of the earth, to kill with sword”Ty for the replies, everyone.
I still need more answers. How can you ppl tolerate these verses? Do all of you think that these things are justice, right and just? And holy, the good? Or what? Why?
Do you believe there are certain situations where it is just for a father to kill a person who is trying to kill his children?
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TULIPed
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With all due respect Needy - you can do better! There are WAY better verses in the Bible - that you can cherry pick, take totally out of context, put in a vacuum and, with great angst and drama, ask how we tolerate, no? Here’s one:
“Happy is the one who seizes your infants
and dashes them against the rocks.”
Infanticide not your cup of tea? How about misogyny?
“Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience as also saith the law.”
(Gasp!)
How on earth could anybody (especially women?!) tolerate such things? And how did a single itinerant carpenter with a questionable heritage (prostitutes, adulterers and shysters, oh my!) from a backwater town in a nowhere province with a dozen loser friends (fishermen? tax collectors? seriously?) who ended up being executed as an enemy of the state - how did He start a movement that numbers 2.2 billion today - all of whom “tolerate such things”…
What do you think Needy? How does this happen? Seriously - how could it? How could we? How could we fall in love with such a book? With such a man?
“Happy is the one who seizes your infants
and dashes them against the rocks.”
Infanticide not your cup of tea? How about misogyny?
“Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience as also saith the law.”
(Gasp!)
How on earth could anybody (especially women?!) tolerate such things? And how did a single itinerant carpenter with a questionable heritage (prostitutes, adulterers and shysters, oh my!) from a backwater town in a nowhere province with a dozen loser friends (fishermen? tax collectors? seriously?) who ended up being executed as an enemy of the state - how did He start a movement that numbers 2.2 billion today - all of whom “tolerate such things”…
What do you think Needy? How does this happen? Seriously - how could it? How could we? How could we fall in love with such a book? With such a man?
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PetraG
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Yes, I think the author of the universe truly is All-Good and All-Just and could do such a thing with intimate knowledge of how such a penalty would affect every person who faces this justice.Ty for the replies, everyone.
I still need more answers. How can you ppl tolerate these verses? Do all of you think that these things are justice, right and just? And holy, the good? Or what? Why?
I don’t believe that justice that I could not possibly hand down in a just manner and that no human could possibly hand down in a just manner is necessarily justice that an all-knowing God could not hand down. The knowledge and wisdom of God is far above my own.
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Hodos
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I think this can be explained by the fact that man is already “fallen” and sinful. And that sinful men will rebel against God, be hardened in their sin and rebellion against God rather than repent, and in response, God will unleash his righteous judgment. One can be loving and still be just. And what about all the passages you skipped over about the rebellious against God have ravaged his creation and his saints? Would it be loving of God to overlook their sin against these and allow it to continue? Just as an example, how much love would you say our civil government would have for its lawful citizens if they refused to arrest serious law-breakers and lock them up in prison? How about the case of the illegal immigrant who found a gun and killed a woman in the sanctuary city of San Francisco? Was San Francisco righteous or loving to its citizens by failing to obey the law in this case?
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