Why would someone join the Anglican( Episcopalian Church)?

[PickyPicky]

That’s true. Although one of them was widely regarded as a saint.

 

[exnihilo]

I recognize that all don’t. But do most? Don’t most Anglicans ordain women?

Regarding homosexuality it may be that not yet does a majority promote it. But that is ever changing. From my knowledge the African churches do stand against homosexuality as do a few break away groups in the US.

From my point of view if the Anglican Church has proven itself unable to hold onto orthodoxy then it doesn’t matter if some break away groups or a minority does, or does in some ways.

 

[PickyPicky]

Thing is, there’s no such thing as the Anglican Church, so it’s reasonable to ask for your criticisms to be more focused.

 

[Vico]

herd of Henrys (Rex)

I suppose Catholic Archbishop Reginald Pole would not be considered his herd (from 1536).

 

[exnihilo]

If it isn’t a universal Church then there is no question about its status.

 

[GKMotley]

By count, I’d say that there were a majority of Anglicans who think they are ordaining invalid recipients, yes. Which is why there are Anglicans, and then there are Anglicans. Some do, some don’t. As noted, there is no monolithic Anglican Church. And it matters to those of us who don’t (Continuers, for example). That you make no distinction is no great matter. I correct generalizations, regularly,as required.

 

[PickyPicky]

Oh I think all Anglican churches regard themselves as part of a universal Church.

 

[PickyPicky]

Cardinal Pole was Mary’s, wasn’t he?

 

[exnihilo]

By count, I’d say that there were a majority of Anglicans who think they are ordaining invalid recipients, yes. Which is why there are Anglicans, and then there are Anglicans. Some do, some don’t. As noted, there is no monolithic Anglican Church. And it matters to those of us who don’t (Continuers, for example). That you make no distinction is no great matter. I correct generalizations, regularly,as required.

Majority in terms of laity or specific church?

If there is no monolithic church then it as a movement has no principle of unity.

Oh I think all Anglican churches regard themselves as part of a universal Church.

As does every Christian. But if the dissenters are the ones maintaining orthodoxy then the root isn’t the universal Church.

 

[GKMotley]

Reginald was neither a Rex, nor a Henry.

 

[GKMotley]

Majority in terms of laity and specific Churches.

Which is why one needs to know which Anglican one is thinking of.

 

[exnihilo]

So a majority of specific churches (by which you mean church of some country) opposes women’s ordination? I had thought otherwise. But even if so the root, the Church of England, does allow women’s ordination.

 

[PickyPicky]

But he at least was a bishop. Consecrated the day after Archbishop Cranmer was sent to the flames, I believe.

 

[GKMotley]

He was not unknown to Henry. Who had subsidized his education. And awarded him several Church positions and livings, even before he was made deacon in 1536. And afterward, things went downhill.

He was Mary’s yes, in the sense he was Papal Legate, and had a lot to do with stitching up the CoE and the RCC into a whole again.,

 

[Vico]

Cardinal Pole was Mary’s, wasn’t he?

Yes, in 1556 he became Archbishop under the reign of Queen Mary, yet Henry VIII paid for much of his education before the break with him, when he was abroad.

 

[PickyPicky]

Yes. A brave man, Pole — foolhardy, perhaps.

 

[Vico]

Reginald was neither a Rex, nor a Henry.

Oh, you mean genetic.

 

[GKMotley]

Curiously, not a priest until two years before he died,and Cantuar, two days later. He had been a Cardinal for almost 20 years. Says Wiki. I’m fuzzy on the dates.

 

[GKMotley]

No, I mean by name and by coronation.

 

[GKMotley]

We agree with each other and our source, I suspect.